Re: Plymouth text version

[Emmet Hikory]

Ho Wan Chan wrote:
> no no no I mean to abolish the text theme ONLY. The graphical one should
> remain.

This means that we have no output multiplexor when booting on devices
that are in VGA fallback mode: as it turns out, in addition to some virtual
environments, this is also true for lots of actual hardware (albeit low-end).
While we don't really expect anyone to run a full DAW in such environments,
there may be plenty of folk who have relatively underpowered machines they
use as effects boxes of one sort or another in an analog mixer chain.

That said, if there's no interest in maintaining a special Ubuntu Studio
text theme, we could just fall back to the text theme used for the Desktop
and Server products: there are few enough affected users that we're unlikely
to receive too many complaints.

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Re: Plymouth text version

[lukefromdc]

Version numbers on installer Plymouth help people know which version they are 
using. This is especially handy for a live image on a flash drive, which unlike 
a CD does not have space to write on and may be frequently rewritten. I think 
they should be used.

On 11/11/2012 at 10:05 AM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs 
>to be
>updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the 
>graphics
>version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if 
>we
>should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or 
>not. The
>text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and 
>may be
>helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... 
>if that
>person does a lot of testing of different versions :)
>
>For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the 
>ubuntustudio
>symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and 
>the
>words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text 
>version.
>
>Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop 
>for
>lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would 
>suggest
>using numbers rather than the "code name". Some of the code names 
>good,
>some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the 
>session
>backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine.
>
>Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will 
>run with
>it.
>
>
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Re: Plymouth text version/graphics version ideas

[lukefromdc]

Plymouth isn't that hard to customize, though it can take a day or so of work 
to debug a new or radically modified theme from scratch. Since Jan 2011 I have 
used the same image for the desktop, plymouth, and grub, so that the desktop 
background comes up as soon as GRUB starts. My own work with this has gotten 
buggy a few times(now needing a particular version of GRUB 2, for instance), 
mostly because of limitations in the documentation of Plymouth and GRUB that 
keep me from getting a full understanding of all the features-and all the 
changes.

I think for an installer/default install, using the default desktop image as a 
background in Plymouth, would have a lot going for it. Same for a GRUB theme if 
anyone can maintain it. With open source drivers and a single monitor, that 
means the machine posts, loads the desktop image, flickers once at KMS start, 
then keeps it up all the way to the display manager(or the full desktop on a 
live disk or autologin), at which point any other Plymouth animations or logos 
disappear. This assumes that lightdm and the desktop are using the same 
background, of course.  The ultimate would be some tool that would on selecting 
a desktop image offer the option to automatically load it into the lightdm, 
plymouth, and GRUB themes as well. Absent that, some documentation on how to 
get the image into those themes would let people do it themselves.


On 11/11/2012 at 10:10 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>
>On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:05:08 +0100, Len Ovens  
>wrote:
>
>> As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth 
>needs to be
>> updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the 
>graphics
>> version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering 
>if we
>> should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or 
>not. The
>> text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox 
>and may be
>> helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... 
>if that
>> person does a lot of testing of different versions :)
>>
>> For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the 
>ubuntustudio
>> symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version 
>and the
>> words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text 
>version.
>>
>> Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop 
>for
>> lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would 
>suggest
>> using numbers rather than the "code name". Some of the code 
>names good,
>> some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the 
>session
>> backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine.
>>
>> Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we 
>will run  
>> with
>> it.
>>
>>
>
>Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's 
>very nice  
>looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place.
>I don't think we need to display the version number.
>
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Re: Plymouth text version

[Antoine Thomas]

I am for having the version number in loging screen, even if it is only in
a corner. Because when logged, users will note know clearly wich version
they are using.
Le 11 nov. 2012 16:44, "Len Ovens"  a écrit :

>
> On Sun, November 11, 2012 7:41 am, Len Ovens wrote:
> > The boot image maybe able to be made
> > persistent. That is it may be possible to get grub to leave some
> > background up
>
> Just some thoughts on this... it would mean customizing grub and the
> maintenance that goes with that. I don't know how well that would work
> with Ubuntu's solution to the whole secure boot thing.
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Re: Plymouth text version

[Ho Wan Chan]

no no no I mean to abolish the text theme ONLY. The graphical one should
remain.

smartboyhw
On 2012-11-11 下午11:41, "Len Ovens"  wrote:

>
> On Sun, November 11, 2012 7:13 am, Ho Wan Chan wrote:
> > Maybe then we should just completely abolish the themeBut is that
> > possible?
>
> > 2012/11/11 Kaj Ailomaa 
> >
>
> >> Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very
> >> nice
> >> looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place.
> >> I don't think we need to display the version number.
>
> Yes it is possible to not install plymouth. The machine can be set up to
> show logging or not in that case. The boot image maybe able to be made
> persistent. That is it may be possible to get grub to leave some
> background up but as soon as the video card does anything that would
> be lost (like when the kernel loads the driver) The one time plymouth does
> run for a while is when booting from the ISO in the case of the live boot.
> It does let the user know something is happening.
>
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Re: Plymouth text version

[Len Ovens]

On Sun, November 11, 2012 7:41 am, Len Ovens wrote:
> The boot image maybe able to be made
> persistent. That is it may be possible to get grub to leave some
> background up

Just some thoughts on this... it would mean customizing grub and the
maintenance that goes with that. I don't know how well that would work
with Ubuntu's solution to the whole secure boot thing.

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Re: Plymouth text version

[Len Ovens]

On Sun, November 11, 2012 7:13 am, Ho Wan Chan wrote:
> Maybe then we should just completely abolish the themeBut is that
> possible?

> 2012/11/11 Kaj Ailomaa 
>

>> Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very
>> nice
>> looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place.
>> I don't think we need to display the version number.

Yes it is possible to not install plymouth. The machine can be set up to
show logging or not in that case. The boot image maybe able to be made
persistent. That is it may be possible to get grub to leave some
background up but as soon as the video card does anything that would
be lost (like when the kernel loads the driver) The one time plymouth does
run for a while is when booting from the ISO in the case of the live boot.
It does let the user know something is happening.

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Re: Plymouth text version

[Ho Wan Chan]

Maybe then we should just completely abolish the themeBut is that
possible?


2012/11/11 Kaj Ailomaa 

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:05:08 +0100, Len Ovens  wrote:
>
>  As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be
>> updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics
>> version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we
>> should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The
>> text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be
>> helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that
>> person does a lot of testing of different versions :)
>>
>> For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio
>> symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the
>> words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version.
>>
>> Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for
>> lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest
>> using numbers rather than the "code name". Some of the code names good,
>> some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session
>> backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine.
>>
>> Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will run with
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
> Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very nice
> looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place.
> I don't think we need to display the version number.
>
>
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Re: Plymouth text version

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:05:08 +0100, Len Ovens  wrote:


As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be
updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics
version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we
should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The
text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be
helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that
person does a lot of testing of different versions :)

For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio
symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the
words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version.

Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for
lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest
using numbers rather than the "code name". Some of the code names good,
some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session
backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine.

Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will run  
with

it.




Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very nice  
looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place.

I don't think we need to display the version number.

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Re: Plymouth text version

[Ho Wan Chan]

>
> As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be
> updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics
> version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we
> should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The
> text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be
> helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that
> person does a lot of testing of different versions :)
>

Hmm since I DO do a lot of testing of different versions (and a fan of
Vbox) I am going to support it. Vote: Yes

>
> For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio
> symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the
> words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version.
>
> Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for
> lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest
> using numbers rather than the "code name". Some of the code names good,
> some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session
> backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine.
>

Just the version number, the codenames aren't really important compared to
version numbers.

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Plymouth text version

[Len Ovens]

As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be
updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics
version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we
should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The
text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be
helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that
person does a lot of testing of different versions :)

For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio
symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the
words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version.

Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for
lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest
using numbers rather than the "code name". Some of the code names good,
some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session
backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine.

Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will run with
it.


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