Re: Beta in risk - a related story

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2010/9/2 Marc R.J. Brevoort >


On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Ara Pulido wrote:

> Right now, and for Beta, the Ubuntu Studio ISOs haven't been tested:
>
> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
>
> I am afraid that, if they remain untested, the Release Team
might decide
> to NOT release Ubuntu Studio Maverick Beta.



It's probably because most of users don't install Studio from iso, but 
install first Ubuntu with the live cd, then, install the meta-packages, 
or only what they need. Continuing to provide a text only install in not 
a good idea. Who wants today to install in text mode when the current 
live cd offer a direct, simple and usefull gui ?


IMHO, it has always been a bad thing to propose only the alternative 
install CD/DVD I mean that our user are more focused on using 
application than in tweaking the system, nor in installing it. Even if 
we consider that most of the potential users of Ubuntu Studio are 
experienced Linux users, two cases are possible:
 - They are looking for a fast install and an easy day to day use, so 
they will use the Ubuntu live cd and add only the applications they 
need, because the Ubuntu Studio cd/dvd installer is not user friendly 
and install too much stuff;
 - If text installation is not the problem, so Ubuntu Studio is not 
tuned enough for high performance and they will choose something else 
like the 64 Studio distribution.


So, two solutions:
 - Having a live cd, and the community will welcome it very well, from 
users to third party application developers, who can consider it as a a 
good showcase solution. I think that if Ardour developers have a lot of 
MacOS X actuality, it is because there is no serious Linux distribution 
providing a working live cd/dvd for multimedia production, to 
demonstrate their product and catch new users.
 - Stopping providing a media, and build a site like getdeb/playdeb, 
with the list of applications, good multilingual descriptions, 
screen-shots and tutorials; and then, focus more on backporting and 
optimising, than on themes, and other non important stuff for multimedia 
production.


IMHO (again), the best way for Ubuntu Studio is between this two 
solutions: create a good Live CD (and not a DVD), optimised, focusing on 
main multimedia applications (need to be defined by users, not by 
developers, e.g using some polls on the website), and to have a good 
multilingual website, focused on applications, backporting (current LTS, 
and current distribution only, no need to backport for all releases), etc...


In a few words: be more users, functionalities, and usefulness focused!

Toine
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Re: Beta in risk - a related story

[Ricardo Lameiro]

did you did that upgrade in ubuntu studio?

I tested some ISOs and found some problems on the networking in
UbuntuStudio, but i didnt tested for upgrade. As far as i know, Ubuntu
studio isnt considered a 10.04 isnt considered an LTS, altough its based on
the ubuntu LTS.

Also i will try to find some time to test the ISOs, but i am really short in
time this days.


2010/9/2 Marc R.J. Brevoort 

> On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Ara Pulido wrote:
>
> > Right now, and for Beta, the Ubuntu Studio ISOs haven't been tested:
> >
> >   http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
> >
> > I am afraid that, if they remain untested, the Release Team might decide
> > to NOT release Ubuntu Studio Maverick Beta.
>
> Related story-
>
> The 8.04->10.04 LTS upgrade I ran last weekend rendered
> my soundcard silent, video non-accelerated (and black-
> screening), and a few apt-gets even rendered my system
> unbootable.
>
> Fortunately I had backups of most of my stuff, a live CD
> still allows access to the drive and a second drive should
> be arriving soon, so that I can run a fresh install and
> restore things as needed.
>
> I had read 8.04->10.04 was supposed to be a smooth upgrade.
> But I guess not everything can be tested. Apparently, I
> wasn't the only one with this problem either.
>
> Now I'm a long-time linux user; I've been running linux-only
> for about a decade now. As such I'll just chalk it up as
> another learning experience ("Never, ever upgrade your system
> with the upgrade functionality!") but a week of downtime
> certainly is sub-optimal and I suppose would drive away
> most "normal" from Linux in an instant.
>
> Just a story to consider regarding the importance of
> testing. Anyway, I'd rather the distro be late than untested.
>
> That said, with the apparent unrest on the list as of
> late, should I stick with ubustu for my composing or
> just go for plain vanilla lucid?
>
> Best,
> Marc
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Re: Beta in risk - a related story

[Marc R.J. Brevoort]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Ara Pulido wrote:

> Right now, and for Beta, the Ubuntu Studio ISOs haven't been tested:
>
>   http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
>
> I am afraid that, if they remain untested, the Release Team might decide
> to NOT release Ubuntu Studio Maverick Beta.

Related story-

The 8.04->10.04 LTS upgrade I ran last weekend rendered
my soundcard silent, video non-accelerated (and black-
screening), and a few apt-gets even rendered my system
unbootable.

Fortunately I had backups of most of my stuff, a live CD
still allows access to the drive and a second drive should
be arriving soon, so that I can run a fresh install and
restore things as needed.

I had read 8.04->10.04 was supposed to be a smooth upgrade.
But I guess not everything can be tested. Apparently, I
wasn't the only one with this problem either.

Now I'm a long-time linux user; I've been running linux-only
for about a decade now. As such I'll just chalk it up as
another learning experience ("Never, ever upgrade your system
with the upgrade functionality!") but a week of downtime
certainly is sub-optimal and I suppose would drive away
most "normal" from Linux in an instant.

Just a story to consider regarding the importance of
testing. Anyway, I'd rather the distro be late than untested.

That said, with the apparent unrest on the list as of
late, should I stick with ubustu for my composing or
just go for plain vanilla lucid?

Best,
Marc

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Beta in risk

[Ara Pulido]

Hello all!

As you know, testing the ISOs in every milestone is a distribution
responsibility.

Right now, and for Beta, the Ubuntu Studio ISOs haven't been tested:

   http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all

I am afraid that, if they remain untested, the Release Team might decide
to NOT release Ubuntu Studio Maverick Beta.

Please, coordinate with the Release Team at #ubuntu-release and help
testing the ISOs before it is too late.

Thanks!
Ara.

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