Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11

[Glenn]

On 4/30/2011 1:49 AM, Richard Conrad wrote:
AS SOON AS CLARK PARK IS AVAILABLE AGAIN I SUGGEST WE USE IT FOR 
PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY... TO CONDUCT TEACH-INS... TO FOSTER GATHERINGS OF 
MASS CONSCIOUSNESS... AND TO DISCUSS AND ACT UPON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.


Rick,

Yes, this is an important idea.  Community consciousness is precisely 
why I worked so hard to found the CPMAC after the previous festival 
group gave up due to the constant harassment.  Such gatherings are vital 
for democracy, community, and the mental health of social creatures!  (I 
actually wanted to work for a documentary on Clark Park to examine how 
such a public square and the rich culture it produces is vital to 
diverse urban neighborhoods that work as well as ours did.  When Penn 
was calling this area a criminal wasteland, many of us were pointing out 
that this had been one of the culturally richest urban communities in 
America!  But I fought with FOCP/UCD instead of this and other projects.)



Unfortunately, I need to be the bearer of more bad news.  Such 
gatherings of citizens look like they will soon be outlawed in all 
Philadelphia parks, unless the organizers receive corporate sponsorship 
and control!  (Clark Park is the pilot project to be extended to the 
entire city!)




In 2001-02, it was called the Special Events Review Committee of the 
Fairmount Park Commission.  (Vice President Siano recently let slip that 
it was again being plotted against the entire city.  Siano was not part 
of FOCP when I fought UCD/FOCP about misapplying this committee to 
neighborhood groups ten years ago.)



Essentially, any group requesting a park use permit is going to need to 
pay many many thousands of dollars or face arrest for not obtaining this 
permit.  (This will end events by volunteers like the Clark Park 
festivals and Woodland Ave Reunion unless corporate money takes these 
over.)  Connected corporations will undoubtedly get a waiver from these 
requirements, like their waiver from taxes the rest of us pay.



Once this happens, neighborhood organizers will need to go to a hearing 
and pay in advance for insurance, EMT's, and even the riot police to 
beat us.  (It's impossible to know details of other secret permit 
changes being planned to restrict the rights of assembly.)



 As I explained to Darco a couple of months ago, this law was a 
response to the South St. Mardi Gras sponsored by for profit bars.  It 
was never intended to shut down block parties or neighborhood park 
festivals.  And park permits were also never intended to be used as a 
method to impose unfair rules for some people and not others, as has 
been the case for decades.  Permits were originally intended to be a 
reservation system to assist citizen groups when planning special events 
like the ones you suggest.



This scheme is the big prize now that we are consumers rather than 
citizens, and people of Philadelphia generally don't know it's coming!  
Residents in other parts of the city certainly never expected this just 
like they didn't expect the coming sales of large parts of Fairmount 
Park.  I expect this new permit rule will be kept quiet, and people will 
only find out after their local community organizers can't get permits 
anymore because of the cost.


Do you see how these tremendous cost increases will complete the 
corporate coup seizing our parks, and simultaneously prevent us from 
regaining a democratic system or constitutional rights, like our 
brothers and sisters in the Arab world are struggling so hard to 
obtain?  (It seems most US backed Arab dictators called these laws 
against assembly "emergency laws.")




Penn attempted to buy control and naming of the Clark Park festivals 
back in 2000 after their complete 1999 flop called "The University of 
Pennsylvania, Welcome to the Neighborhood festival." (The DP did an 
article about this.) Maybe UCD will impose a BID tax on local residents 
and swoop in to take control of future festivals.  But which corporation 
will sponsor a pro-democracy rally or teach in?  And which poor 
neighborhoods will receive corporate sponsors?


When these emergency laws are imposed, people need to hold the FOCP 
responsible.  Our anointed wanted control of Clark Park for themselves, 
but some of us warned the anointed that they would never get the power 
they wanted, but instead were giving the power to Penn by sacrificing 
our rights.  Think how this could have been stopped, if our local civic 
associations had been on the side of their neighbors, and not so blinded 
by their own lust for power!


At the time we abandon our principles and duties as citizens, it is hard 
to know exactly where it will lead, only that it will always be bad.  I 
wish I didn't need to pass on this new threat to our parks and right to 
assemble on public land.


Thanks for your sensible posts,
Glenn





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Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11

[Richard Conrad]

O.K. then.  Can anyone please prove Glenn wrong...  I'm fairly certain he would 
welcome it.  Let's please soon hear from someone about this idea...  

Darco Lalevic, Brian Siano, Anthony West, William H. Magill, will you pledge to 
avail in whatever ways are needed, in making Clark Park free for use, by 
citizens interested in sponsoring peaceful public gatherings - to share 
information about important concerns, and/or to engage in peaceful assembly and 
make common protest to grievous conditions? 

Rick Conrad 


On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Glenn wrote:

> 
> 
> On 4/30/2011 1:49 AM, Richard Conrad wrote:
>> AS SOON AS CLARK PARK IS AVAILABLE AGAIN I SUGGEST WE USE IT FOR PEACEABLE 
>> ASSEMBLY... TO CONDUCT TEACH-INS... TO FOSTER GATHERINGS OF MASS 
>> CONSCIOUSNESS... AND TO DISCUSS AND ACT UPON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.
> 
> Rick,
> 
> Yes, this is an important idea.  Community consciousness is precisely why I 
> worked so hard to found the CPMAC after the previous festival group gave up 
> due to the constant harassment.  Such gatherings are vital for democracy, 
> community, and the mental health of social creatures!  (I actually wanted to 
> work for a documentary on Clark Park to examine how such a public square and 
> the rich culture it produces is vital to diverse urban neighborhoods that 
> work as well as ours did.  When Penn was calling this area a criminal 
> wasteland, many of us were pointing out that this had been one of the 
> culturally richest urban communities in America!  But I fought with FOCP/UCD 
> instead of this and other projects.)
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, I need to be the bearer of more bad news.  Such gatherings of 
> citizens look like they will soon be outlawed in all Philadelphia parks, 
> unless the organizers receive corporate sponsorship and control!  (Clark Park 
> is the pilot project to be extended to the entire city!)
> 
> 
> 
> In 2001-02, it was called the Special Events Review Committee of the 
> Fairmount Park Commission.  (Vice President Siano recently let slip that it 
> was again being plotted against the entire city.  Siano was not part of FOCP 
> when I fought UCD/FOCP about misapplying this committee to neighborhood 
> groups ten years ago.)
> 
> 
> Essentially, any group requesting a park use permit is going to need to pay 
> many many thousands of dollars or face arrest for not obtaining this permit.  
> (This will end events by volunteers like the Clark Park festivals and 
> Woodland Ave Reunion unless corporate money takes these over.)  Connected 
> corporations will undoubtedly get a waiver from these requirements, like 
> their waiver from taxes the rest of us pay.
> 
> 
> Once this happens, neighborhood organizers will need to go to a hearing and 
> pay in advance for insurance, EMT's, and even the riot police to beat us.  
> (It's impossible to know details of other secret permit changes being planned 
> to restrict the rights of assembly.)
> 
> 
> As I explained to Darco a couple of months ago, this law was a response to 
> the South St. Mardi Gras sponsored by for profit bars.  It was never intended 
> to shut down block parties or neighborhood park festivals.  And park permits 
> were also never intended to be used as a method to impose unfair rules for 
> some people and not others, as has been the case for decades.  Permits were 
> originally intended to be a reservation system to assist citizen groups when 
> planning special events like the ones you suggest.
> 
> 
> This scheme is the big prize now that we are consumers rather than citizens, 
> and people of Philadelphia generally don't know it's coming!  Residents in 
> other parts of the city certainly never expected this just like they didn't 
> expect the coming sales of large parts of Fairmount Park.  I expect this new 
> permit rule will be kept quiet, and people will only find out after their 
> local community organizers can't get permits anymore because of the cost.
> 
> Do you see how these tremendous cost increases will complete the corporate 
> coup seizing our parks, and simultaneously prevent us from regaining a 
> democratic system or constitutional rights, like our brothers and sisters in 
> the Arab world are struggling so hard to obtain?  (It seems most US backed 
> Arab dictators called these laws against assembly "emergency laws.")
> 
> 
> 
> Penn attempted to buy control and naming of the Clark Park festivals back in 
> 2000 after their complete 1999 flop called "The University of Pennsylvania, 
> Welcome to the Neighborhood festival." (The DP did an article about this.) 
> Maybe UCD will impose a BID tax on local residents and swoop in to take 
> control of future festivals.  But which corporation will sponsor a 
> pro-democracy rally or teach in?  And which poor neighborhoods will receive 
> corporate sponsors?
> 
> When these emergency laws are imposed, people need to hold the FOCP 
> responsible.  Our anointed wanted control of Clark Park for themselves, but 
> som

Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11

[Brian Siano]

Wow. First we get the evidence-free claims of malfeasance, then we get
the accusations of elitism, and now, the demands that others sign onto
pledges.

You guys are _clearly_ fans of Newt Gingrich.

On 4/30/11, Richard Conrad  wrote:
> O.K. then.  Can anyone please prove Glenn wrong...  I'm fairly certain he
> would welcome it.  Let's please soon hear from someone about this idea...
>
> Darco Lalevic, Brian Siano, Anthony West, William H. Magill, will you pledge
> to avail in whatever ways are needed, in making Clark Park free for use, by
> citizens interested in sponsoring peaceful public gatherings - to share
> information about important concerns, and/or to engage in peaceful assembly
> and make common protest to grievous conditions?
>
> Rick Conrad
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Glenn wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 4/30/2011 1:49 AM, Richard Conrad wrote:
>>> AS SOON AS CLARK PARK IS AVAILABLE AGAIN I SUGGEST WE USE IT FOR
>>> PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY... TO CONDUCT TEACH-INS... TO FOSTER GATHERINGS OF
>>> MASS CONSCIOUSNESS... AND TO DISCUSS AND ACT UPON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Yes, this is an important idea.  Community consciousness is precisely why
>> I worked so hard to found the CPMAC after the previous festival group gave
>> up due to the constant harassment.  Such gatherings are vital for
>> democracy, community, and the mental health of social creatures!  (I
>> actually wanted to work for a documentary on Clark Park to examine how
>> such a public square and the rich culture it produces is vital to diverse
>> urban neighborhoods that work as well as ours did.  When Penn was calling
>> this area a criminal wasteland, many of us were pointing out that this had
>> been one of the culturally richest urban communities in America!  But I
>> fought with FOCP/UCD instead of this and other projects.)
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I need to be the bearer of more bad news.  Such gatherings
>> of citizens look like they will soon be outlawed in all Philadelphia
>> parks, unless the organizers receive corporate sponsorship and control!
>> (Clark Park is the pilot project to be extended to the entire city!)
>>
>>
>>
>> In 2001-02, it was called the Special Events Review Committee of the
>> Fairmount Park Commission.  (Vice President Siano recently let slip that
>> it was again being plotted against the entire city.  Siano was not part of
>> FOCP when I fought UCD/FOCP about misapplying this committee to
>> neighborhood groups ten years ago.)
>>
>>
>> Essentially, any group requesting a park use permit is going to need to
>> pay many many thousands of dollars or face arrest for not obtaining this
>> permit.  (This will end events by volunteers like the Clark Park festivals
>> and Woodland Ave Reunion unless corporate money takes these over.)
>> Connected corporations will undoubtedly get a waiver from these
>> requirements, like their waiver from taxes the rest of us pay.
>>
>>
>> Once this happens, neighborhood organizers will need to go to a hearing
>> and pay in advance for insurance, EMT's, and even the riot police to beat
>> us.  (It's impossible to know details of other secret permit changes being
>> planned to restrict the rights of assembly.)
>>
>>
>> As I explained to Darco a couple of months ago, this law was a response to
>> the South St. Mardi Gras sponsored by for profit bars.  It was never
>> intended to shut down block parties or neighborhood park festivals.  And
>> park permits were also never intended to be used as a method to impose
>> unfair rules for some people and not others, as has been the case for
>> decades.  Permits were originally intended to be a reservation system to
>> assist citizen groups when planning special events like the ones you
>> suggest.
>>
>>
>> This scheme is the big prize now that we are consumers rather than
>> citizens, and people of Philadelphia generally don't know it's coming!
>> Residents in other parts of the city certainly never expected this just
>> like they didn't expect the coming sales of large parts of Fairmount Park.
>>  I expect this new permit rule will be kept quiet, and people will only
>> find out after their local community organizers can't get permits anymore
>> because of the cost.
>>
>> Do you see how these tremendous cost increases will complete the corporate
>> coup seizing our parks, and simultaneously prevent us from regaining a
>> democratic system or constitutional rights, like our brothers and sisters
>> in the Arab world are struggling so hard to obtain?  (It seems most US
>> backed Arab dictators called these laws against assembly "emergency
>> laws.")
>>
>>
>>
>> Penn attempted to buy control and naming of the Clark Park festivals back
>> in 2000 after their complete 1999 flop called "The University of
>> Pennsylvania, Welcome to the Neighborhood festival." (The DP did an
>> article about this.) Maybe UCD will impose a BID tax on local residents
>> and swoop in to take control of future festivals.  But which corporation
>> will spons

Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11

[Richard Conrad]

> evidence-free ?

> demands ?

> Newt Gingrich ?

Brian I am truly aghast.  You seem now to have become perhaps the most sour 
misanthrope that I know; and I used to describe you as a particularly bright, 
very noble, unusually friendly, superbly articulate, and most helpful human 
being.   If you can't make the pledge just say so.  Or ignore it for crying out 
loud...


On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Brian Siano wrote:

> Wow. First we get the evidence-free claims of malfeasance, then we get
> the accusations of elitism, and now, the demands that others sign onto
> pledges.
> 
> You guys are _clearly_ fans of Newt Gingrich.
> 
> On 4/30/11, Richard Conrad  wrote:
>> O.K. then.  Can anyone please prove Glenn wrong...  I'm fairly certain he
>> would welcome it.  Let's please soon hear from someone about this idea...
>> 
>> Darco Lalevic, Brian Siano, Anthony West, William H. Magill, will you pledge
>> to avail in whatever ways are needed, in making Clark Park free for use, by
>> citizens interested in sponsoring peaceful public gatherings - to share
>> information about important concerns, and/or to engage in peaceful assembly
>> and make common protest to grievous conditions?
>> 
>> Rick Conrad
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Glenn wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/30/2011 1:49 AM, Richard Conrad wrote:
 AS SOON AS CLARK PARK IS AVAILABLE AGAIN I SUGGEST WE USE IT FOR
 PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY... TO CONDUCT TEACH-INS... TO FOSTER GATHERINGS OF
 MASS CONSCIOUSNESS... AND TO DISCUSS AND ACT UPON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.
>>> 
>>> Rick,
>>> 
>>> Yes, this is an important idea.  Community consciousness is precisely why
>>> I worked so hard to found the CPMAC after the previous festival group gave
>>> up due to the constant harassment.  Such gatherings are vital for
>>> democracy, community, and the mental health of social creatures!  (I
>>> actually wanted to work for a documentary on Clark Park to examine how
>>> such a public square and the rich culture it produces is vital to diverse
>>> urban neighborhoods that work as well as ours did.  When Penn was calling
>>> this area a criminal wasteland, many of us were pointing out that this had
>>> been one of the culturally richest urban communities in America!  But I
>>> fought with FOCP/UCD instead of this and other projects.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I need to be the bearer of more bad news.  Such gatherings
>>> of citizens look like they will soon be outlawed in all Philadelphia
>>> parks, unless the organizers receive corporate sponsorship and control!
>>> (Clark Park is the pilot project to be extended to the entire city!)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In 2001-02, it was called the Special Events Review Committee of the
>>> Fairmount Park Commission.  (Vice President Siano recently let slip that
>>> it was again being plotted against the entire city.  Siano was not part of
>>> FOCP when I fought UCD/FOCP about misapplying this committee to
>>> neighborhood groups ten years ago.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Essentially, any group requesting a park use permit is going to need to
>>> pay many many thousands of dollars or face arrest for not obtaining this
>>> permit.  (This will end events by volunteers like the Clark Park festivals
>>> and Woodland Ave Reunion unless corporate money takes these over.)
>>> Connected corporations will undoubtedly get a waiver from these
>>> requirements, like their waiver from taxes the rest of us pay.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Once this happens, neighborhood organizers will need to go to a hearing
>>> and pay in advance for insurance, EMT's, and even the riot police to beat
>>> us.  (It's impossible to know details of other secret permit changes being
>>> planned to restrict the rights of assembly.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As I explained to Darco a couple of months ago, this law was a response to
>>> the South St. Mardi Gras sponsored by for profit bars.  It was never
>>> intended to shut down block parties or neighborhood park festivals.  And
>>> park permits were also never intended to be used as a method to impose
>>> unfair rules for some people and not others, as has been the case for
>>> decades.  Permits were originally intended to be a reservation system to
>>> assist citizen groups when planning special events like the ones you
>>> suggest.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This scheme is the big prize now that we are consumers rather than
>>> citizens, and people of Philadelphia generally don't know it's coming!
>>> Residents in other parts of the city certainly never expected this just
>>> like they didn't expect the coming sales of large parts of Fairmount Park.
>>> I expect this new permit rule will be kept quiet, and people will only
>>> find out after their local community organizers can't get permits anymore
>>> because of the cost.
>>> 
>>> Do you see how these tremendous cost increases will complete the corporate
>>> coup seizing our parks, and simultaneously prevent us from regaining a
>>> democratic system or constitutional rights, like our brothers and sisters

Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11

[Brian Siano]

On 4/30/11, Richard Conrad  wrote:

> Brian I am truly aghast.  You seem now to have become perhaps the most sour
> misanthrope that I know; and I used to describe you as a particularly
> bright, very noble, unusually friendly, superbly articulate, and most
> helpful human being.   If you can't make the pledge just say so.  Or ignore
> it for crying out loud...

I'm heartbroken.

Look, I've looked at Glenn's complaints for years. I ran for the board
mainly to help him defend the Festival against the stuff he was
complaining about. It took me about five months to form a far more
critical opinion of Glenn than you realize. My experience has shown me
that Glenn functions on the same level of integrity as the Rev. Fred
Phelps.

But you can earn your own experience. Get together with him. Have
coffee. Sit down. Ask him to give you the "entire story," start to
finish. Ask critical questions. Ask for evidence. Subject him to the
same level of scrutiny you'd give the FOCP. Ask him why he's so
hostile, why he accuses people of being shills for Penn, and why, when
anyone questions his claims, he accuses them of being stupid,
gullible, and ignorant. Ask him about the various roles of "community
activist" he claims for himself, and what he actually did to claim
them. Ask him what, precisely, is it about the park's redesigns that
make it corporate and yuppified or whatever term he uses these days.
Try to pin down what his complaints actually are.

Even better, try to work with him. You'll find out about Glenn Moyer
soon enough.

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Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11

[Richard Conrad]

You chose to ignore my questions and requests.  You chose to call me a Newt 
Gingrich fan.  Now instead of dealing with me you return to tar and feathering 
Glenn.  Your arrogance, not his level of integrity, is what I am confronting.

On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Brian Siano wrote:

> On 4/30/11, Richard Conrad  wrote:
> 
>> Brian I am truly aghast.  You seem now to have become perhaps the most sour
>> misanthrope that I know; and I used to describe you as a particularly
>> bright, very noble, unusually friendly, superbly articulate, and most
>> helpful human being.   If you can't make the pledge just say so.  Or ignore
>> it for crying out loud...
> 
> I'm heartbroken.
> 
> Look, I've looked at Glenn's complaints for years. I ran for the board
> mainly to help him defend the Festival against the stuff he was
> complaining about. It took me about five months to form a far more
> critical opinion of Glenn than you realize. My experience has shown me
> that Glenn functions on the same level of integrity as the Rev. Fred
> Phelps.
> 
> But you can earn your own experience. Get together with him. Have
> coffee. Sit down. Ask him to give you the "entire story," start to
> finish. Ask critical questions. Ask for evidence. Subject him to the
> same level of scrutiny you'd give the FOCP. Ask him why he's so
> hostile, why he accuses people of being shills for Penn, and why, when
> anyone questions his claims, he accuses them of being stupid,
> gullible, and ignorant. Ask him about the various roles of "community
> activist" he claims for himself, and what he actually did to claim
> them. Ask him what, precisely, is it about the park's redesigns that
> make it corporate and yuppified or whatever term he uses these days.
> Try to pin down what his complaints actually are.
> 
> Even better, try to work with him. You'll find out about Glenn Moyer
> soon enough.
> 
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Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11

[Glenn]

Rick,

Vice President Siano will always refuse requests for information with 
some ranting personal attack. It has long been the first 
response/technique employed by he and FOCP leaders to protect secrets 
and intimidate other potential questions.


None of the other FOCP leaders are ever going to step up and provide the 
information that is important to the public either. Nor will they ever 
ask Siano or West to represent the FOCP appropriately, when questions 
that are relevant to the entire community are asked by neighbors, and 
they give these embarrassing nasty responses.


This conduct of their long term leaders shames the entire FOCP 
membership, and discredits their association.  That is why West is 
scouring the neighborhood for people to join their board.  They can no 
longer get 10% of their members (quorum) to come to their elections, as 
I reported to this list over a year ago.  People are tired of being 
treated like this by these clowns!



People on this list have seen this many times from these FOCP officers, 
who claim to represent this community.  The key problem is that the 
information I have exposed and discussed is secret.  They demand that it 
remain undiscussed by our neighbors!   They don't know what else to do 
but use these terrible and ridiculous tactics!


The constant use of this technique only proves to the vast majority of 
our neighbors that the FOCP leaders are keeping information from all of 
them.  I know its annoying for some people to get the many posts which 
draw this out, BUT THERE ARE HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN WEST PHILLY WHO 
WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH CLARK PARK AND ARE TIRED OF THE RUN 
AROUND, AND MISINFORMATION.


That's why I was asked to write about the history recently, and honored 
that request.


Any of these could quickly force an apology from me, but none of the 
FOCP leaders will go ahead and prove me a liar !


1 Confirm or deny that meetings of the Clark Park Partnership are 
invitation only, otherwise provide a list of the public meetings
2 Confirm or deny that none of the FOCP planning meetings were ever 
announced to the public, otherwise provide a list of the public meeting 
announcements.
3 Confirm or deny that Mr. Siano's leak about major changes to permit 
rules will impact all independent long term park groups.  Name the 
relevant laws and documentation that can be reviewed so the full costs 
and requirements are public.
4 Confirm or deny that FOCP members ordered meeting announcements and 
agendas published in the UC Review and the FOCP Board refused, otherwise 
provide a list of the public meeting announcements during the past 3 years.
5 Confirm or deny that park user groups were not invited to planning 
meetings as desired by FOCP members.  Otherwise provide the identities 
of the planning committee representatives so the public can verify 
represented stakeholder groups.





On 4/30/2011 9:21 PM, Brian Siano wrote:

On 4/30/11, Richard Conrad  wrote:


Brian I am truly aghast.  You seem now to have become perhaps the most sour
misanthrope that I know; and I used to describe you as a particularly
bright, very noble, unusually friendly, superbly articulate, and most
helpful human being.   If you can't make the pledge just say so.  Or ignore
it for crying out loud...

I'm heartbroken.

Look, I've looked at Glenn's complaints for years. I ran for the board
mainly to help him defend the Festival against the stuff he was
complaining about. It took me about five months to form a far more
critical opinion of Glenn than you realize. My experience has shown me
that Glenn functions on the same level of integrity as the Rev. Fred
Phelps.

But you can earn your own experience. Get together with him. Have
coffee. Sit down. Ask him to give you the "entire story," start to
finish. Ask critical questions. Ask for evidence. Subject him to the
same level of scrutiny you'd give the FOCP. Ask him why he's so
hostile, why he accuses people of being shills for Penn, and why, when
anyone questions his claims, he accuses them of being stupid,
gullible, and ignorant. Ask him about the various roles of "community
activist" he claims for himself, and what he actually did to claim
them. Ask him what, precisely, is it about the park's redesigns that
make it corporate and yuppified or whatever term he uses these days.
Try to pin down what his complaints actually are.

Even better, try to work with him. You'll find out about Glenn Moyer
soon enough.

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Re: [UC] End of events, Clark Park Secrecy, 01-11

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Glenn wrote:


BUT THERE ARE HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN WEST PHILLY WHO 
WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH CLARK PARK AND ARE TIRED OF THE RUN 
AROUND, AND MISINFORMATION. 



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