Revolution applications to show off at WWDC.

[Geoff Canyon]

To those who have created OS X applications with Revolution. We'd love to be able to 
have your apps running on the iMac in the RunRev booth. The benefit/consequence is 
that many people (including Apple people) will see your application. 

If you would like this kind of exposure, email me with instructions on how to get a 
copy of your application, contact information for yourself or your company, a brief 
description of the application and what to show off in it, and instructions on how to 
get and set up your application.

Thanks to all for the screen shots. They're going to be useful on Friday.
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Re: Structuring an Application

[Sarah]

It depends whether you want to be able to save data to stacks or whether 
your app will save it's data elsewhere.

If you are saving stacks, you need to build the application with 
separate sub-stack files. In this case, the easiest way is probably to 
make the main stack your splash screen. It will contain the engine and 
the rest of the stacks will be writable and editable. There is an 
article about this on the Rev site in the Tip of the Week section.

If you don't need to make your stacks writable, then you can build the 
app as a single file. The main stack will be the first one opened but it 
can then open other stacks as required. Scripts in your main stack are 
available to the other stacks, but that works even if the main stack is 
no longer  an open window. Apart from this, there is nothing special 
about a main stack so it doesn't have to be always open or even the most 
used. It can be closed or left visible - you can control the substacks 
either way.

One further point - it is easy to move stacks around and designate the 
main stack at any stage so you can design your stacks as you go and then 
add a splash screen and make it the main when you are finished.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 04:05  pm, Dave wrote:

> What's the best way to structure an Application in Rev?
>
> Should the main stack be the "about" window?  Since it's first to 
> display.
>
> Should the main stack be hidden so you can control the rest of your
> substacks as windows?
>
> Should the main stack be the most used window in the app?
>
> I'm not quite sure how to proceed.
>
> Many Thanks.
>
>
> -- Dave
> Retiarius Enterprises
>
>
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Structuring an Application

[Dave]

What's the best way to structure an Application in Rev?

Should the main stack be the "about" window?  Since it's first to display.

Should the main stack be hidden so you can control the rest of your
substacks as windows?

Should the main stack be the most used window in the app?

I'm not quite sure how to proceed.

Many Thanks.


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How to make standalone smaller

[John Cuccio]

I have a very simple standalone.

the stack has 6 fields and 1 button. Total of around 100 lines of code. Very
small screen size.

I am building this for mac. I checked PPC.

The only other stuff checked is
Answer dialog
remove UI

The smallest is 1.9 MB.

What is the smallest a standalone can be.

Thank you
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Re: setprops, which property?

[Ken Ray]

Dave,

This is wonderful! Great catch on this... just goes to show you can learn
something new every day.

;-)

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- Original Message -
From: "Dave Cragg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: setprops, which property?


> At 1:05 pm -0700 6/5/02, Niklas "Almesj-" wrote:
> >Thanks Ken,
> >That is my experience aswell.. Which makes me wonder how I can use
> >setProps with a custompropertyset (since I can't get setprops to work
with
> >the name of the either, once a custompropertyset has been assigned)?
> >
> >cheers,
> >/Niklas
> >
> >From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: setprops, which property?
> >Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:57:14 -0500
> >Organization: Sons of Thunder Software
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Niklas,
> >
> >I don't think there is currently a way to do that. If you have:
> >
> >setProp myArray theValue
> >   -- stuff here
> >   pass myArray
> >end myArray
> >
> >... and you execute "set the myArray[10] of this stack to 100", you will
> >trigger the setProp handler, and 'theValue' will contain '100', but you
> >won't be able to retrieve the '10' key.
> >
> >Am I wrong? I'd love it if I were...
>
>
> Sorry. I missed the beginning of this. Is this what you need?
>
> on mouseUp
>   set the myArray["age"] of me to "very old"
> end mouseUp
>
> setprop myArray[whichKey] pValue
>   switch whichKey
>case "name"
> answer "Your name is" && pValue
> break
>case "age"
> answer "You are" && pValue
> break
>end switch
> end myArray
>
> Cheers
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Re: Please Help

[Extensor]

I have been coding using authoring systems for 10 years and have seen this.
An invisible character gets into the code and is their causing the error but
it can't be seen.

- Original Message -
From: "Steve L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:05 PM
Subject: Please Help


> Hello,
>
> I added the on mouseUp--answer "hello" script to my
> existing button, works fine when clicked but when the
> ctrl and h key are pressed it does nothing.
>
> So, I created a new button and set it up the exact
> same way and it works fine when the ctrl and h keys a
> re pressed.
>
> I compared the two buttons and all settings are
> exactly the same; figure that one out.
>
> It works fine now, so thanks for the help.
>
> Steve
>
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RFC/Setting Permissions via Rev or Metacard

[Sivakatirswami]

Aloha all from beautiful Kauai (where it is raining hard today, helping us
keep our reputation for the most rainfall in the world)...

Here's the simple question:
===
Is there a way to read permissions and set permissions of a remote text file
over a LAN to files served from volumes on a MACOSX server, from within
Metacard or Revolution.

The goal, is obviously, to implement some kind of RFC, revision file
control.
===
THE CONTEXT/PROJECT:

To create an interface where people who are listening to audio or watching a
video file can also collaboratively contribute to cataloging, transcribing,
adding key words to some kind of "record" that is "tied" (by file name) to
the media being screened/studied.

I already have the interface  for the user to listen to files with facile
directory/navigation tools, and controls for moving back and forth easily as
well as timers etc. to transcribe into a field below the controls...all of
which is complete...actually it started in Supercard and we have been using
it for about 5  years for all kinds of things.. and I just ported it to
Metacard/Revolution recently (would this be useful to anyone else?). Now we
would like to expand this for multi-user collaboration as follows:

a) have the user open an audio-video file (usually a lecture, or discourse
of some kind, an interview sent from one of our magazine correspondents in
another country, raw video footage etc.) then at the same time

b)  the interface transparently loads a "record" from the remote server
(actually a MAC OSX server on our LAN, but, in the future a SPARC SOLARIS in
Honolulu which will allow for international collaboration on such projects)

 This "record" is presently conceived of very simply as a simple text file
with delimiters  ("|") for fields, one file  per audio. When the user opens
the audio the text file is loaded into  the fields giving the appearance of
a dbase record.

c) as they listen to the file they can make notes, pause the audio,
transcribe, add keywords, enter a new topic, the interface can record the
time on the "tape" where references are made to a newly entered topic, then
later, others can access this topic instantly by clicking on the topic and
it will take them to that point in the sound file.

d) The only problem is two people listening to the same file at the same
time --then ones needs to be able to set a lock on the text file that
represents that the "record is in use,"  And dim the edit buttons, but allow
for read only. And, ideally, poll the file so that when it was unlocked the
buttons would go undimmed... doable with a send in 1 second with msg .

So, back to the original question...how can you read and set permissions? I
could do this with a raw FTP socket and use standard RFC FTP controls, but,
was hoping for a simpler method if one existed... especially for local files
on a Mac OSX network, with some clients running MAC OS9.2.2... Applescript?
But that won' be portable to team players in India or Malaysia were PC rule.

Ideas? Am also open to other strategies... ideally one could have a
"multi-user stack/server" on the server... but at this point  I don't think
MC allows for that

Hinduism Today

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Re: Where do you put your scripts?

[Rob Cozens]

>I want to set up a stack that centralizes all my most
>useful functions. What's the best way to include these in the standalone
>when I'm ready to build it?  Is there an easy way to include only the
>functions that the stand-alone will need?

Hi Doug,

A. You can distribute the library as a separate stack, which allows 
you to update the library in the future without having to build a new 
distribution, or

B. You can include the library as a substack within the stand-alone, 
which means the library can't get separated from the rest of the app 
or be viewed by the user.

If it's a general-purpose library of Transcript handlers, I wouldn't 
worry about optimizing a different library for each application. 
OTOH, if it's a library of .jpeg images, sounds, or other memory 
hogs, I would consider creating an optimized library sans unnecessary 
objects.

You may also work the other direction: create a clone of your general 
library and add to it resources specific to each standalone you 
create.
-- 

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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: setprops, which property?

[Dave Cragg]

At 1:05 pm -0700 6/5/02, Niklas "Almesj–" wrote:
>Thanks Ken,
>That is my experience aswell.. Which makes me wonder how I can use
>setProps with a custompropertyset (since I can't get setprops to work with
>the name of the either, once a custompropertyset has been assigned)?
>
>cheers,
>/Niklas
>
>From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: setprops, which property?
>Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:57:14 -0500
>Organization: Sons of Thunder Software
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Niklas,
>
>I don't think there is currently a way to do that. If you have:
>
>setProp myArray theValue
>   -- stuff here
>   pass myArray
>end myArray
>
>... and you execute "set the myArray[10] of this stack to 100", you will
>trigger the setProp handler, and 'theValue' will contain '100', but you
>won't be able to retrieve the '10' key.
>
>Am I wrong? I'd love it if I were...


Sorry. I missed the beginning of this. Is this what you need?

on mouseUp
  set the myArray["age"] of me to "very old"
end mouseUp

setprop myArray[whichKey] pValue
  switch whichKey
   case "name"
answer "Your name is" && pValue
break
   case "age"
answer "You are" && pValue
break
   end switch
end myArray

Cheers
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token delimiter

[Jim Lambert]

put token 1 of "12:37:03 PM"

12

put token 2 of "12:37:03 PM"

:37:03

Colon is supposedly not a token delimiter yet the first command returns 12
as if it were. Why?

jim lambert

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Re: setprops, which property?

[Almesjö]

Thanks Ken,
That is my experience aswell.. Which makes me wonder how I can use
setProps with a custompropertyset (since I can't get setprops to work with
the name of the either, once a custompropertyset has been assigned)?

cheers,
/Niklas

From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setprops, which property?
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:57:14 -0500
Organization: Sons of Thunder Software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Niklas,

I don't think there is currently a way to do that. If you have:

setProp myArray theValue
  -- stuff here
  pass myArray
end myArray

... and you execute "set the myArray[10] of this stack to 100", you will
trigger the setProp handler, and 'theValue' will contain '100', but you
won't be able to retrieve the '10' key.

Am I wrong? I'd love it if I were...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

- Original Message -
From: "Niklas Almesjö" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: setprops, which property?


> If I set the customPropertySet to an array, then it seems like setProps
> only works with the name of this set (not the keyname but the name of 
the
> array).. so how do you know which property that was set?
>
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:06:17 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: setprops, which property?
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> At 1:28 PM -0700 5/4/2002, Niklas "Almesj-" wrote:
> >Just started looking into customproperties, so I'd appreciate a hand..
> The
> >setprops message seems interesting, but I don't get how you see which
> >property that has changed.
>
> It's the name of the handler:
>
>   setprop myCustomProperty
> beep
>   end myCustomProperty
>
> The above beeps when you try to set myCustomProperty to a new value.



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Please Help

[Steve L]

Hello,

I added the on mouseUp--answer "hello" script to my
existing button, works fine when clicked but when the
ctrl and h key are pressed it does nothing.

So, I created a new button and set it up the exact
same way and it works fine when the ctrl and h keys a
re pressed.

I compared the two buttons and all settings are
exactly the same; figure that one out.

It works fine now, so thanks for the help.

Steve

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Re: Where do you put your scripts?

[Ivers, Doug E]

On 5/3/02 11:12 AM, "Rob Cozens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> If you have multiple stacks and routines that they all need, put the
>> scripts in the mainStack.
> 
> Hi Dar,
> 
> Steve & Sarah covered the subject very well, except for one option
> alluded to above:
> 
> If you have handlers that are referenced by multiple stacks and
> multiple applications, place them in the stack script of a library
> stack and "start using stack 'myLibrary'" when you open or preopen
> the stacks that call the handlers.
> 
> One can create and start using multiple libraries and reorder the
> libraries in the message hierarchy during runtime.  One can also send
> users updated libraries that will be referenced at runtime without
> recompiling or linking your application.


Based on this advice, I want to set up a stack that centralizes all my most
useful functions. What's the best way to include these in the standalone
when I'm ready to build it?  Is there an easy way to include only the
functions that the stand-alone will need?

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Re: Please Help

[sims]

>
>I am trying to set the shortcut keys of a button:

Try this:

1. make a button

2. in the script of the button place:

on mouseUp
   put "Help"
end mouseUp

3. try the button and see  if "Help" pops up.

4. click on a checkbox for the keyboard shortcut & input a letter
(I just tried command y here on my Mac)

5. try the key combo and see if "Help" pops up.

Does that help you?

atb

sims

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Re: Please Help

[Ken Ray]

Steve,

I just tried this in Rev 1.1 on Windows 2000:

1) Create a button
2) Set its script to "on mouseUp;answer "Hello";end mouseUp"
3) In the properties palette I checked off Control (^) and the with key is
"h" (lower case).
4) Chose the browse tool
5) Typed Control-H

... and the answer box came up just fine.

What version of Rev are you using? Are you trying to run this inside Rev's
development environment or as a standalone? If in Rev's environment, don't
forget that you have to choose the browse tool, otherwise the script won't
be executed.

I'm assuming this is PC, right? Or is this Mac?

Ken Ray
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- Original Message -
From: "Steve L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: Please Help


> Hello,
>
> I have posted this question three times, and have yet
> to get a response, I am starting to get a complex.
>
> Either this is an extremely stupid question, or no one
> understands it, or just that I am very much disliked.
>
> If it is just that no one has an answer, then maybe
> someone from Rev can help.
>
> Here it goes again:
>
> I am trying to set the shortcut keys of a button:
>
> First, I went into the properties setting of the
> button and checked the :control" key with key "h" as
> the shortcut keys.  This would not work; it did not
> execute the button's mouseUp when the keys were
> pressed.
>
> Then I tried scripting in on preopenCard, the set
> accelMods and accelKey commands that did not work
> either.
>
> I even made sure that the insertion point was not in a
> field, and even tried turning off the Rev UI, but
> nothing works.
>
> Any help is always appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
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Please Help

[Steve L]

Hello,

I have posted this question three times, and have yet
to get a response, I am starting to get a complex.

Either this is an extremely stupid question, or no one
understands it, or just that I am very much disliked.

If it is just that no one has an answer, then maybe
someone from Rev can help.

Here it goes again:

I am trying to set the shortcut keys of a button:

First, I went into the properties setting of the
button and checked the :control" key with key "h" as
the shortcut keys.  This would not work; it did not
execute the button's mouseUp when the keys were
pressed.

Then I tried scripting in on preopenCard, the set
accelMods and accelKey commands that did not work
either.

I even made sure that the insertion point was not in a
field, and even tried turning off the Rev UI, but
nothing works.

Any help is always appreciated.

Thanks 

Steve


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Replacing stacks in the development environment

[Björnke von Gierke]

I was asking myself of how one could replace the script editor, 
especially what messages one would have to send/ receive for it to 
function.
now before  I look into the Rev-development stacks, I would like to know 
if someone did that already (maybe with another stack ?).
I would also like to know if that would be easier to make with a plugin.
(as I just don't understand how they work)

Any other related hint/comment would be greatly appreciated!


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Re: Playing players in sequence

[Klaus Major]

Hi Kurt and Greg,

> > I want to play a series of sound files (xxx.aiff) one after another.
> > I am using Quicktime player objects (as I may need to use MP3's later
> > on). The problem is I can't get them to play one after the other.
> > They all want to play at once. I have tried "wait until the sound is
> > done", but this has no effect. I have found playstopped, but cannot
> > see if and how this could assist.
>
> initial script:
> play videoclip "sound1"

i am not sure, if this will work.

As i remember well, the "play" command will create a temporary player to 
play the audio/video
and that player will be deleted after the audio/video is finished.

So maybe it should read: start player "sound1"

If your players are on one card, then you could put something like this 
in the card-script.

on playstopped  the_player
##the short name of the player that has stopped is an argument to this 
function
   switch the_player
  case "sound1"
   start player "sound2"
   break
  case "sound2"
   start player "sound3"
   break
 ...
   end switch
end playstopped

Not tested, but should work ;-)

Hope this helps.


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Re: custom prop

[Dave Cragg]

At 7:34 am -0400 6/5/02, Ivers, Doug E wrote:
>I don't really understand this yet, but apparently there is a unique 
>relationship between custom properties and arrays.
>
>It seems that I can't, then, store an array in a custom property.
>Here's what I tried, but it causes a runtime error:
>
>on mouseUp
>   put "A" into myArray[1]
>   put "B" into myArray[2]
>   set the testAry of this card to myArray
>   answer "myArray has been created."
>end mouseUp
>
>I'm not trying to switch between different property sets.  I just 
>want to store in a custom property an array like any other variable. 
>Is this possible?

Try this:

on mouseUp
   put "A" into myArray[1]
   put "B" into myArray[2]
   set the customProperties["testAry"] of this card to myArray
   answer "myArray has been created."
end mouseUp

Cheers
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Re: Playing players in sequence

[Kurt Kaufman]

 > I want to play a series of sound files (xxx.aiff) one after another.
 > I am using Quicktime player objects (as I may need to use MP3's later
 > on). The problem is I can't get them to play one after the other.
 > They all want to play at once. I have tried "wait until the sound is
 > done", but this has no effect. I have found playstopped, but cannot
 > see if and how this could assist.

initial script:
play videoclip "sound1"

(Use the following handler in sound1 player's script)

on playstopped
play videoclip "sound2"
end playstopped

(Use the following handler in sound2 player's script)

on playstopped
play videoclip "sound3"
end playstopped

etc.

Note that I have sounds linked to QT players here, and call 
"videoclips". Maybe there's a better way to write this so that you could 
use a single script, but I'm not sure of the syntax.

HTH,
Kurt

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Re: custom prop

[Ivers, Doug E]

I don't really understand this yet, but apparently there is a unique relationship 
between custom properties and arrays.

It seems that I can't, then, store an array in a custom property.
Here's what I tried, but it causes a runtime error:

on mouseUp
  put "A" into myArray[1]
  put "B" into myArray[2]
  set the testAry of this card to myArray
  answer "myArray has been created."
end mouseUp

I'm not trying to switch between different property sets.  I just want to store in a 
custom property an array like any other variable.  Is this possible?



On 1/29/02 3:56 PM, "Kevin Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 29/1/02 3:46 pm, Devin Asay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> This is great stuff, the first time I've understood what custom
>> property sets are for.  But how do you make one set or the other
>> active?
> 
> put the myArrayName["myKeyName"] of btn 1
> 
> Or:
> 
> put the customProperties[myArrayName] of btn 1 into tMyArray
> 
> Or:
> 
> set the customPropertySet of btn 1 to "myArrayName"
> 
> -- further references will refer to properties in a particular set:
> 
> put the myKeyName of btn 1 --from set myArrayName
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
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Re: sockets - opening and closing

[Dave Cragg]

Hi

Although not directly relevant to the problems discussed, it's 
probably a good idea to check the result after an open socket 
statement. It seems that if the connection fails to open due to a 
name resolution problem, the error is found in the result, not a 
socketError message.

Cheers
Dave Cragg
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Re: sockets - opening and closing

[Shao Sean]

> Did you try in adding the line below to your preopenstack script : 
> > set the socketTimeoutInterval to "10"
thanks for the tip, i'll give it a try in the next revision of my project

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