Re: app crashes frequently

2002-11-04 Thread Scott Raney
On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 Bill Vlahos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is a known bug in the IDE for 1.1.1 and will be fixed in 2.0 (it
> already is in the alpha version).
> 
> I never see the bug in existing projects but see it right away in new
> ones. Since the Revolution folks have never characterized it (beyond
> saying that it is a bug in the Mac OS) so it is hard to know what
> triggers it.

It's Apple bug #3078545, FYI, and is a problem where Appearance
Manager makes invalid assumptions about what the current background
pattern is.  Any app that changes the pattern and then draws a
pushbutton could run into (not just RR/MC apps).  It's only a problem
in 10.2 and most likely only going to be a problem when running RR
(we've never seen it in MC) because of the way it changes the patterns
to update the toolbar and palettes when the selection changes.  It's
possible to cause the problem in standalones, though this is unlikely
unless you use "standard" style buttons together with other types of
controls with their backPattern set and force redraws to occur in a
particular order.

We've already worked around this bug for MC 2.5/RR 2.0.  It's a highly
reproducible bug, so if you must release your application before this
new version of MC/RR is released, just be sure to test it on a 10.2
system to make sure you didn't just stumble on the "magic
incantation".  If you don't see the problem, neither will your
customers.
  Regards,
Scott


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Re: app crashes frequently

2002-11-03 Thread Bill Vlahos
It is a known bug in the IDE for 1.1.1 and will be fixed in 2.0 (it 
already is in the alpha version).

I never see the bug in existing projects but see it right away in new 
ones. Since the Revolution folks have never characterized it (beyond 
saying that it is a bug in the Mac OS) so it is hard to know what 
triggers it.

Bill
On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 01:48  PM, Oliver Hardt wrote:

i changed the look and feel accordingly and no more crashes now.  it 
thus appears that there is some kind of bug in Rev 1.1.1.  let's hope 
that this will be solved in 2.0

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Re: app crashes frequently

2002-11-03 Thread Oliver Hardt
i changed the look and feel accordingly and no more crashes now.  it 
thus appears that there is some kind of bug in Rev 1.1.1.  let's hope 
that this will be solved in 2.0
thanks for your quick help.  best, olli.



11/4/02, David Vaughan wrote:

On Monday, Nov 4, 2002, at 07:29 Australia/Sydney, 
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 i am running Rev 1.1.1. under os X 10.2.1. on a Pismo.  so far i
 haven't done much developing, because the app CRASHES ALL THE TIME.
 anybody else with the same experience?  olli.


 I don't use a Mac, But I have read here that there is an OS bug in the
 Appearance Manager that causes these crashes. The current workaround is to
 go under the View menu and set the LookAndFeel to Preview Mac OS.  This
 emulates the look of the classic interface I believe. I have also read that



So, firstly, the change may work for you, and secondly, if it does 
not then the problem almost certainly does not lie in RR on the Mac 
but in something else in your system.
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Re: app crashes frequently

2002-11-03 Thread David Vaughan

On Monday, Nov 4, 2002, at 07:29 Australia/Sydney, 
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i am running Rev 1.1.1. under os X 10.2.1. on a Pismo.  so far i
haven't done much developing, because the app CRASHES ALL THE TIME.
anybody else with the same experience?  olli.


I don't use a Mac, But I have read here that there is an OS bug in the
Appearance Manager that causes these crashes. The current workaround 
is to
go under the View menu and set the LookAndFeel to Preview Mac OS.  This
emulates the look of the classic interface I believe. I have also read 
that
once your app is finished, and you build a stand-alone, the crashes do 
not
happen in the stand-alone. Like I said, I can't verify any of this.
Hopefully this will help.

Oliver

I do use a Mac (10.2.1). I have it from some of the best people on this 
list that this problem exists on their systems and to use the 
"emulated" workaround, and accept that it is so. However, I do not 
share the problem, finding 1.1.1 stable with Look and Feel set to Mac 
OS Appearance Manager (perhaps it relates to different things we are 
doing with the app; when it comes to multimedia, I'm somewhere else).
So, firstly, the change may work for you, and secondly, if it does not 
then the problem almost certainly does not lie in RR on the Mac but in 
something else in your system.

regards
David

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Re: app crashes frequently

2002-11-03 Thread Roger . E . Eller

> i am running Rev 1.1.1. under os X 10.2.1. on a Pismo.  so far i
> haven't done much developing, because the app CRASHES ALL THE TIME.
> anybody else with the same experience?  olli.

I don't use a Mac, But I have read here that there is an OS bug in the
Appearance Manager that causes these crashes. The current workaround is to
go under the View menu and set the LookAndFeel to Preview Mac OS.  This
emulates the look of the classic interface I believe. I have also read that
once your app is finished, and you build a stand-alone, the crashes do not
happen in the stand-alone. Like I said, I can't verify any of this.
Hopefully this will help.

Roger Eller
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