Re: Calculating the target of a symlink

[NiftyFedora Mitch]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> A script I'm writing needs to work out the target of a symbolic link,
> i.e. given:
>
> $ touch foo
> $ ln -s foo bar
>
> the function should print bar when given foo as a parameter. The manual
> says "ls -L" should do this, but it doesn't seem to work:
>
> $ touch foo
> $ ln -s foo bar
> $ ls -l foo bar
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 poc poc 3 Jun 19 21:32 bar -> foo
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 poc poc 0 Jun 19 21:32 foo
> $ ls -L bar
> bar
>
> (should give foo)
>
> Have I misunderstood what "ls -L" does? Is there a bug? And is there a
> better way of doing this?
>
> poc

Compare and contrast

$ touch foo
$ ln -s foo bar
$ ls -lL *
-rw-rw. 1 mitch mitch 0 Jun 19 23:48 bar
-rw-rw. 1 mitch mitch 0 Jun 19 23:48 foo
$ ls -l *
-rwxrwxrwx. 1 mitch mitch 3 Jun 19 23:49 bar -> foo
-rw-rw. 1 mitch mitch 0 Jun 19 23:48 foo



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Re: bad HD sectors

[Kam Leo]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Peter Langfelder
 wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:04 PM, JD  wrote:
>>
>
>> Well, I am not actively using the disk. Too risky.
>> I am trying to find out if there is reasonable doubt
>> as to what the smartd is reporting as if the are recent
>> errors.
>> At this point I will try to see if it is still
>> under warranty and have it serviced.
>
> You may want to consider using fsck to check for bad sectors within
> your filesystem(s). This will definitely not report bad sectors that
> were marked as such by the manufacturer. But it may take more time
> than finding out whether smart reports them.
>
> Peter


You don't have to take smartd's word about the health of your drive.
Run the manufacturer's diagnostic.
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Re: bad HD sectors

[Peter Langfelder]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:04 PM, JD  wrote:
>

> Well, I am not actively using the disk. Too risky.
> I am trying to find out if there is reasonable doubt
> as to what the smartd is reporting as if the are recent
> errors.
> At this point I will try to see if it is still
> under warranty and have it serviced.

You may want to consider using fsck to check for bad sectors within
your filesystem(s). This will definitely not report bad sectors that
were marked as such by the manufacturer. But it may take more time
than finding out whether smart reports them.

Peter
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Re: Calculating the target of a symlink

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2010-06-19 at 22:34 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > Have I misunderstood what "ls -L" does?
> 
> Yes, you did. The description of the -L option reads:
> 
>-L, --dereference
>   when showing file information for a symbolic link, show
> informa-
>   tion for the file the link references rather than for
> the  link
>   itself
> 
> Here "file information" means attributes like the modification time,
> the inode number, and such.

OK, that makes sense. In fact it should have been obvious if I was were
thinking clearly, given that the name is not an attribute of the file.
As ever, man pages mean what they say, not what you think they say :-)

> > better way of doing this?
> 
> If you want to read the contents of a symbolic link, from a shell
> script, use the "readlink" command.

Great. Having cut my teeth on older versions of Unix where this didn't
exist, I was unaware of it.

Thanks Sam (and others who responded in the same vein).

poc

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Re: bad HD sectors

[JD]

On 06/19/2010 08:43 PM, Peter Langfelder was caught red-handed while 
writing::
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:57 PM, JD  wrote:
>
>
>> Is there a way to tell smart daemon to ignore the bad sector list
>> that comes from the manufacturer?
>> smartd keep reporting:
>> messages:Jun 19 16:16:39 localhost smartd[1378]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT],
>> 128 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
>> messages:Jun 19 16:16:39 localhost smartd[1378]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT],
>> 128 Offline uncorrectable sectors
>>
>> yet I am not seeing any apps reporting read/write errors to this drive.
>>  
> Hmm... I'd be surprised if smart didn't ignore the manufacturer's list
> of bad sectors. FWIW, I just had a drive develop bad sectors and I
> replaced it as soon as possible. It started with 1 but quickly spread
> and some of my data became unreadable. Applications will not find the
> bad sectors unless they read some data that are actually stored in the
> bad sectors, and even then they may not complain. You could run one of
> the disk test utilities to see where the bad sectors are. Or buy an
> external drive and rsync your whole drive to the external. You will
> see error messages if some of the data is unreadable.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Peter
>
Well, I am not actively using the disk. Too risky.
I am trying to find out if there is reasonable doubt
as to what the smartd is reporting as if the are recent
errors.
At this point I will try to see if it is still
under warranty and have it serviced.

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Re: bad HD sectors

[Peter Langfelder]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:57 PM, JD  wrote:

> Is there a way to tell smart daemon to ignore the bad sector list
> that comes from the manufacturer?
> smartd keep reporting:
> messages:Jun 19 16:16:39 localhost smartd[1378]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT],
> 128 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
> messages:Jun 19 16:16:39 localhost smartd[1378]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT],
> 128 Offline uncorrectable sectors
>
> yet I am not seeing any apps reporting read/write errors to this drive.

Hmm... I'd be surprised if smart didn't ignore the manufacturer's list
of bad sectors. FWIW, I just had a drive develop bad sectors and I
replaced it as soon as possible. It started with 1 but quickly spread
and some of my data became unreadable. Applications will not find the
bad sectors unless they read some data that are actually stored in the
bad sectors, and even then they may not complain. You could run one of
the disk test utilities to see where the bad sectors are. Or buy an
external drive and rsync your whole drive to the external. You will
see error messages if some of the data is unreadable.

Just my 2 cents.

Peter
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Re: OT:burn - not install to usb

[Mick M.]

> You already state that the install needs 512MB of space,
> and
> your usb stick is only a 16MB.

Thanks for the reply.
Yep - I forgot how big a CD image is. (K vs M), now I am used to G.

Maybe I should get more sleep?

Mick M.



  
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RE: fgfs opengl issue w/ nvidia fx1400

[Joseph L. Casale]

>It is kind of confusing to get right driver.
>The nv site points to 195.36.24 but the class of the card points to the 
>legacy drivers 173

Turns out that with no xorg.conf and just the laptops built in LCD
enabled, ogl works fine. As soon as I disable the laptop LCD and
use the external lcd there is no ogl? Shame...

>Is the Bios for the computer and video card the latest?
>
>http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/
>
>It was recommended to me by a friend with similar problem with the FX1500

Well, this card is actually a "FX1400 Go" so nothing matches.

Thanks for all the help,
jlc
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Re: OT:burn - not install to usb

[JD]

On 06/19/2010 08:06 PM, Mick M. was caught red-handed while writing::
> Hi;
>I found a couple of 16MB usb sticks in a drawer.
> I have the latest systemrescuecd and want to "burn" it to the USB stick.
> An install needs>  512MB, this is only 16M.
>
> I tried using dd but it would not boot.
>
> To be clear I want the USB stick to act like a blank cd.
> Is this possible?
>
> thanks
>   Mick M.
>
>
> Standard guarantee applies - 30 feet or 30 seconds, whichever comes first.
>
> #  find / -name "*your base*" -exec chown us:us {} \;
>

You already state that the install needs 512MB of space, and
your usb stick is only a 16MB.
You cannot squeez 512MB into 16MB unless you have an ingenious
lossless compression scheme.

Now, if you mean to say you have 16GB usb sticks, then you are in luck.
There is a piece of software called liveusb-creator which can install
a live linux cdrom to a usb stick. See
https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/

Warning: I have used a usb stick, and it is even rated (by manufacturer)
to sustain 30MB/s read/write. Well, that turned out to be an exaggeration
to say the least.
Really, it is just not "use-able". Way too slow. You age 10 years til
you finish writing a medium size file.
On the other hand, if you can arrange for /tmp a and /var/tmp to be
ram-based pseudo disks, then you will get some usefulness out of it,
like browsing and web based email.
Any apps that need to store data to the flash will be slower than a slug,
and I do not mean to slight slugs :) They are good to my garden's soil,
but not to my plants.

Also, remember that flash drives have a limited number of times that
you write into any given location. Once exceeded, then you get very
likely data loss.

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OT:burn - not install to usb

[Mick M.]

Hi;
  I found a couple of 16MB usb sticks in a drawer.
I have the latest systemrescuecd and want to "burn" it to the USB stick.
An install needs > 512MB, this is only 16M.

I tried using dd but it would not boot.

To be clear I want the USB stick to act like a blank cd.
Is this possible?

thanks
 Mick M.


Standard guarantee applies - 30 feet or 30 seconds, whichever comes first.

#  find / -name "*your base*" -exec chown us:us {} \;


  
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Re: bad HD sectors

[JD]

On 06/19/2010 03:01 PM, Alan Cox was caught red-handed while writing::
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:43:19 -0700
> JD  wrote:
>
>
>> Greetings,
>> I have a 500GB hd which smarts daemon says has 1 re-mapped sector, and
>> 129 bad sectors.
>> How is it possible to have 129 bad sectors, but only 1 re-mapped sector?
>> Did the HD have only 1 spare sector when I purchased it?
>> Is that possible?
>> Drive was purchased brand new in factory sealed box.
>>  
> I expect the smart data is reporting sectors marked bad in testing and
> formatting up before it was sold. All media has some bad sectors that are
> never used.
>

Is there a way to tell smart daemon to ignore the bad sector list
that comes from the manufacturer?
smartd keep reporting:
messages:Jun 19 16:16:39 localhost smartd[1378]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], 
128 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
messages:Jun 19 16:16:39 localhost smartd[1378]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], 
128 Offline uncorrectable sectors

yet I am not seeing any apps reporting read/write errors to this drive.

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Re: Calculating the target of a symlink

[Cameron Simpson]

On 19Jun2010 21:35, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
| A script I'm writing needs to work out the target of a symbolic link,
| i.e. given:
| 
| $ touch foo
| $ ln -s foo bar
| 
| the function should print bar when given foo as a parameter.

>From your examples below, you mean "print foo when given bar as a
parameter". I'll presume you meant that.

| The manual
| says "ls -L" should do this,

No, it doesn't. It prints information _about_ foo, not "foo".  i.e. it does a
stat(2) instead of an lstat(2) call. From the manual:

  -L, --dereference
when showing file information for a symbolic link, show information 
for  the file the link references rather than for the link itself

So plain "ls -ld bar" shows that it is a symlink. "ls -ldL bar" shows
information about "foo" (not _not_ its name - it just uses "bar" to
access through the symlink - the OS reads the string "foo" and follows
it to the file "bar" - the ls command never sees it).

| but it doesn't seem to work:
| 
| $ touch foo
| $ ln -s foo bar
| $ ls -l foo bar
| lrwxrwxrwx 1 poc poc 3 Jun 19 21:32 bar -> foo
| -rw-rw-r-- 1 poc poc 0 Jun 19 21:32 foo
| $ ls -L bar
| bar
| 
| (should give foo)
| 
| Have I misunderstood what "ls -L" does?

Yes.

| Is there a bug?

No.

| And is there a better way of doing this?

man 1 readlink

linkvalue=`readlink bar`# gets "foo"

The readlink command is a GNU command - not portable to UNIX systems which
don't have the GNU commands grafted on. Of course it is a one line perl
or python script do implement this on a system with no readlink command.

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Re: Calculating the target of a symlink

[JD]

On 06/19/2010 07:05 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan was caught red-handed while 
writing::
> A script I'm writing needs to work out the target of a symbolic link,
> i.e. given:
>
> $ touch foo
> $ ln -s foo bar
>
> the function should print bar when given foo as a parameter. The manual
> says "ls -L" should do this, but it doesn't seem to work:
>
> $ touch foo
> $ ln -s foo bar
> $ ls -l foo bar
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 poc poc 3 Jun 19 21:32 bar ->  foo
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 poc poc 0 Jun 19 21:32 foo
> $ ls -L bar
> bar
>
> (should give foo)
>
> Have I misunderstood what "ls -L" does? Is there a bug? And is there a
> better way of doing this?
>
> poc
>
>
Here's one way your script can find what a symlink points to:

$ file /usr/src
/usr/src: symbolic link to `/sdb3/src'

or

$ ls -l /usr/src
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 30 17:18 /usr/src -> /sdb3/src/

For example you can
ls -l /usr/src | awk '{ print $NF }'
/sdb3/src/

Good luck.


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Re: Calculating the target of a symlink

[Sam Varshavchik]

Patrick O'Callaghan writes:


A script I'm writing needs to work out the target of a symbolic link,
i.e. given:

$ touch foo
$ ln -s foo bar

the function should print bar when given foo as a parameter. The manual
says "ls -L" should do this, but it doesn't seem to work:

$ touch foo
$ ln -s foo bar
$ ls -l foo bar
lrwxrwxrwx 1 poc poc 3 Jun 19 21:32 bar -> foo
-rw-rw-r-- 1 poc poc 0 Jun 19 21:32 foo
$ ls -L bar
bar

(should give foo)

Have I misunderstood what "ls -L" does?


Yes, you did. The description of the -L option reads:

  -L, --dereference
 when showing file information for a symbolic link, show informa-
 tion for the file the link references rather than for  the  link
 itself

Here "file information" means attributes like the modification time, the 
inode number, and such. A symbolic link has its own modification time, and 
inode number, that's separate from the referenced file's modification time 
and inode number. Normally, 'ls' shows you the symbolic link's "file 
information". The -L option displays, instead, the referenced's file's 
information.



 Is there a bug? And is there a
better way of doing this?


If you want to read the contents of a symbolic link, from a shell script, 
use the "readlink" command.





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Re: Calculating the target of a symlink

[Siddhesh Poyarekar]

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> A script I'm writing needs to work out the target of a symbolic link,
> i.e. given:
>
> $ touch foo
> $ ln -s foo bar
>
> the function should print bar when given foo as a parameter. The manual
> says "ls -L" should do this, but it doesn't seem to work:
>
> $ touch foo
> $ ln -s foo bar
> $ ls -l foo bar
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 poc poc 3 Jun 19 21:32 bar -> foo
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 poc poc 0 Jun 19 21:32 foo
> $ ls -L bar
> bar
>
> (should give foo)
>
> Have I misunderstood what "ls -L" does? Is there a bug? And is there a
> better way of doing this?
>

Yes. ls -L gives you information about the symlynk as if it were the
original file. It is only really useful if you use it in conjunction
with -l. Try `ls -Ll bar` to see what I'm talking about.

readlink is the correct command to get this information.


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Calculating the target of a symlink

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

A script I'm writing needs to work out the target of a symbolic link,
i.e. given:

$ touch foo
$ ln -s foo bar

the function should print bar when given foo as a parameter. The manual
says "ls -L" should do this, but it doesn't seem to work:

$ touch foo
$ ln -s foo bar
$ ls -l foo bar
lrwxrwxrwx 1 poc poc 3 Jun 19 21:32 bar -> foo
-rw-rw-r-- 1 poc poc 0 Jun 19 21:32 foo
$ ls -L bar
bar

(should give foo)

Have I misunderstood what "ls -L" does? Is there a bug? And is there a
better way of doing this?

poc

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Re: eth0 becomes eth1 after NIC swap

[Mike Fleetwood]

On 19 June 2010 23:09, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> You missed the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
> file :-).
>
> You can edit the names in there to make the one you want
> to be eth0 actually be eth0.

Thanks Tom,

All sorted.  Edited 70-persistent-net.rules to this and rebooted.
# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8139 (8139too)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="00:0c:76:dc:06:f9", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*",
NAME="eth0"

Mike
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Re: bad HD sectors

[JD]

On 06/19/2010 03:01 PM, Alan Cox was caught red-handed while writing::
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:43:19 -0700
> JD  wrote:
>
>
>> Greetings,
>> I have a 500GB hd which smarts daemon says has 1 re-mapped sector, and
>> 129 bad sectors.
>> How is it possible to have 129 bad sectors, but only 1 re-mapped sector?
>> Did the HD have only 1 spare sector when I purchased it?
>> Is that possible?
>> Drive was purchased brand new in factory sealed box.
>>  
> I expect the smart data is reporting sectors marked bad in testing and
> formatting up before it was sold. All media has some bad sectors that are
> never used.
>

That's very interesting. When I first had installed
the drive (1.9 years ago), on FC7, I did not have the
smarts daemon running. I only enabled it in FC10 I think
(I cannot recall when I actually turned it on).
I started seeing the problem right away when I had enabled
the smarts daemon.

Assuming what you say is the case, I guess I should ignore
the smarts report until the number of failed sectors rise higher than
129. It has been at 129 for as far as I can recall.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: Help with a printer

[JD]

On 06/19/2010 02:54 PM, Steve Searle was caught red-handed while writing::
> Around 10:01pm on Saturday, June 19, 2010 (UK time), JD scrawled:
>
>
>> I have been using the HP LaserJet 4L for many
>> years and it has been totally trouble free.
>> Recently, after an automatic update, the printer
>> prints garbage.
>>  
> Does it print short, fat horizontal lines?
>
No. It prints only one line of garbage, and parts
of the line are over-printed.


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Re: Chinese input on a mixed 32/64 bit Fedora installation

[Ed Greshko]

On 06/19/2010 06:45 PM, Steve Underwood wrote:
>
> I took a fully working Fedora 13 installation, where Chinese entry 
> worked in all windows. I changed the Firefox from the 64 bit version to 
> the 32 bit version. Now Chinese entry still works in all the other 
> windows, but when I am in a 32 bit Firefox window the keyboard symbol 
> will not change to the IME symbol, and Chinese entry is not possible.
>
>   
I see

Sorry, I have no way to try and reproduce the problem.


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Re: Can't see MacBook Air airport after kernel upgrade

[Steven Stern]

On 06/19/2010 03:53 PM, Colin Paul Adams wrote:
>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:
>
>  Colin>  Hello, My MacBook Air, running Fedora 12 (only - no Mac OSX
>  Colin>  or anything else present) was working fine last night. I hit
>  Colin>  the orange star to do an upgrade.
>
>  Colin>  Today, the system could not see an eth0 wireless device (the
>  Colin>  Airport).
>
>  Colin>  I edited grub.conf to say default=1, so as to reboot the
>  Colin>  previous kernel. Now all is working fine (so I'm not too
>  Colin>  concerned).
>
>  Colin>  That previous (working) kernel is 2.6.32.12-115.fc12.x86_64.
>
>  Colin>  The newer (not so good) kernel is 2.6.32.14-127.fc12.x86_64.
>
>  Colin>  Do I need to open a bugzilla ticket for this? If so, are
>  Colin>  there any special keywords/terms I should use to make sure it
>  Colin>  gets seen by the tight people?
>
>  Colin>  Hm. 10 seconds after I sent this message, I see there is
>  Colin>  another update available - for kmod-wl. Maybe this is
>  Colin>  relevant.
>
> Yes, that was it. 127 is working fine again. it's just a matter of the
> timing of the updates.
>
> Sorry for the noise.

Always a good thing to wait for the next morning before updating. 

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Re: f13: Firefox wont start if the ~/.mozilla/ is a sym link

[Suvayu Ali]

On Saturday 19 June 2010 02:59 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> perhaps you may want to try google-chrome - it has a sync feature as
> well which may be of interest ...

If you are interested in syncing your bookmarks and passwords, you can 
try the addon xmarks. It works for all the major browsers out there 
across most platforms. No need to switch browsers. ;)

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Re: eth0 becomes eth1 after NIC swap

[Tom Horsley]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:00:23 +0100
Mike Fleetwood wrote:

> I cleared all the old configuration I could find:

You missed the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
file :-).

You can edit the names in there to make the one you want
to be eth0 actually be eth0.
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eth0 becomes eth1 after NIC swap

[Mike Fleetwood]

Hi All,

I have just switched motherboards (and embeded NIC) in my Fedora 11
machine, after the motherboard failed.  This changed my only NIC in
the machine from a Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit (driver skge) to a Realtek
RTL-8139 (driver 8139too).  Initially networking failed to start:

# service network start
Bringing up loopback interface:[  OK  ]
Bringing up interface eth0:  skge device eth0 does not seem to be
present, delaying initialization.
   [FAILED]

I cleared all the old configuration I could find:

1) Removed old alias from /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf:
 alisa eth0 skge

2) Updated MAC address for new card in
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:
 HWADDR=00:0c:76:dc:06:f9

3) And rebooted, yet after a reboot the kernel continues to call the
new NIC eth1 and not eth0.

# ip -o link
1: lo:  ...
2: eth1:  ...
...
# lshw
...
*- network
  description: Ethernet interface
  product: RTL-8139/
  description: Ethernet interface
  product: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
  vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
  ...
  logical name: eth1
  ...
  serial: 00:0c:76:dc:06:f9
...

I have worked around this and restored networking by renaming
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to ifcfg-eth1 and updated
DEVICE=eth1, and now networking starts OK.  But is there any way to
get my primary and only network interface called eth0?  Is there some
configuration I have missed?

TIA,
Mike
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Re: f13: Firefox wont start if the ~/.mozilla/ is a sym link

[Genes MailLists]

On 06/19/2010 05:03 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:50:26 +0200
> Dario Lesca wrote:
> 
>> It's a bug? 
> 
> They apparently claim it is a feature, not a bug.
> In fact, nothing in the path to ~/.mozilla can be
> a symlink, so something like /home as a symlink
> also doesn't work.
> 
> I switched from a symlink to a "bind" mount to
> solve my problem with /home by putting this
> in my /etc/fstab:
> 
> /zooty/home /home none rw,bind 0 0
> 
> Now I still have /home as a subdir on a separate
> disk, but firefox doesn't get all upset about
> symlinks.

  Odd decision to make as a feature for the moz devs- that said -
perhaps you may want to try google-chrome - it has a sync feature as
well which may be of interest ...
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Re: bad HD sectors

[Alan Cox]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:43:19 -0700
JD  wrote:

> Greetings,
> I have a 500GB hd which smarts daemon says has 1 re-mapped sector, and 
> 129 bad sectors.
> How is it possible to have 129 bad sectors, but only 1 re-mapped sector?
> Did the HD have only 1 spare sector when I purchased it?
> Is that possible?
> Drive was purchased brand new in factory sealed box.

I expect the smart data is reporting sectors marked bad in testing and
formatting up before it was sold. All media has some bad sectors that are
never used.
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Re: Thunderbird 3.1

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On 06/19/2010 04:35 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Saturday 19 June 2010 08:55 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
>> Then download the tarball of the version you are interested in - for example:
>> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/3.1rc2/linux-i686/en-GB/thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2
> 
> This is bit of a problem on 64 bit installations.

 yes a little but there's a few 686 libs that need to be installed and
it works fine thereafter.
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Re: Help with a printer

[Steve Searle]

Around 10:01pm on Saturday, June 19, 2010 (UK time), JD scrawled:

> I have been using the HP LaserJet 4L for many
> years and it has been totally trouble free.
> Recently, after an automatic update, the printer
> prints garbage.

Does it print short, fat horizontal lines?

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Re: Another funny update?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 17:02:58 -0400,
  Marcel Rieux  wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 22:02:49 -0400,
> >   Marcel Rieux  wrote:
> > >
> > > As I said, I don't believe rpmfusion, a repository not supported by Red
> > > Hat/Fedora,  could block a kernel update.
> >
> > They can using 'conflicts' in the spec file.
> 
> 
> What's this spec file? How do you use conflicts?

It's in the source rpm.
Example:
Conflicts: kernel-PAE > kernel-PAE-2.6.33.5-128.fc13
Conflicts: kernel > kernel-PAE-2.6.33.5-128.fc13

> > If the kmod is installed first,
> >
> 
> How do I make "if" less iffy?

In the case where you don't have any kmod installed and there isn't one
available for the latest kernel you have installed, you'd reboot to
make sure you are running a kernel supported by the kmod you are interested
in, uninstall all of the later kernels and then install the kmod.

> You'll have to explain this whole process. I'd be very surprised if a
> repository not belonging to Red Hat/Fedora could prevent a kernel upgrade or
> any upgrade. This could eb dangerous.

It's not really something YOU (as a user) would do. It needs to be done
upstream in RPMFusion. I would expect the packagers there to know how to use
conflicts. I don't know whether or not they have thought of using it
to solve your problem. I don't know that they'd accept that as a solution
to the problem. If you want something to change you should ask them about it.
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Help with a printer

[JD]

I have been using the HP LaserJet 4L for many
years and it has been totally trouble free.
Recently, after an automatic update, the printer
prints garbage.
I have asked for help from openprinting in their
forum, and it seems this forum is not very active,
so no responses.
I have tried all of the PPD drivers that the printer
setup  gui provides for this printer. None of them
has helped. Printer does not have any problems
printing under windows xp, so that rules out printer
hardware issues.

The following print related packages are installed:
$ rpm -qa | egrep 'cups|foom|ijs|print'
bluez-cups-4.64-1.fc13.i686
cups-1.4.3-6.fc13.i686
cups-libs-1.4.3-6.fc13.i686
cups-pk-helper-0.0.4-13.fc13.i686
foomatic-4.0.4-10.fc13.i686
foomatic-db-4.0-14.20100204.fc13.noarch
foomatic-db-filesystem-4.0-14.20100204.fc13.noarch
foomatic-db-ppds-4.0-14.20100204.fc13.noarch
foomatic-filters-4.0.4-10.fc13.i686
fprintd-0.1-16.git04fd09cfa.fc13.i686
fprintd-pam-0.1-16.git04fd09cfa.fc13.i686
gdm-plugin-fingerprint-2.30.2-1.fc13.i686
ghostscript-cups-8.71-9.fc13.i686
gnome-python2-gnomeprint-2.30.0-2.fc13.i686
gutenprint-5.2.5-5.fc13.i686
gutenprint-foomatic-5.2.5-5.fc13.i686
hpijs-3.10.2-11.fc13.i686
kdeutils-printer-applet-4.4.4-1.fc13.i686
libfprint-0.1.0-15.pre2.fc13.i686
libgnomecups-0.2.3-7.fc12.i686
libgnomeprint22-2.18.7-1.fc13.i686
libgnomeprint22-devel-2.18.7-1.fc13.i686
libgnomeprintui22-2.18.5-1.fc13.i686
libgnomeprintui22-devel-2.18.5-1.fc13.i686
mfc9840cdwcupswrapper-1.0.3-1.i386
printer-filters-1.1-4.fc12.noarch
printoxx-1.8.1-3.fc12.i686
system-config-printer-1.2.2-4.fc13.i686
system-config-printer-kde-4.4.4-1.fc13.i686
system-config-printer-libs-1.2.2-4.fc13.i686
system-config-printer-udev-1.2.2-4.fc13.i686
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Re: f13: Firefox wont start if the ~/.mozilla/ is a sym link

[JD]

On 06/19/2010 02:03 PM, Tom Horsley was caught red-handed while writing::
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:50:26 +0200
> Dario Lesca wrote:
>
>
>> It's a bug?
>>  
> They apparently claim it is a feature, not a bug.
> In fact, nothing in the path to ~/.mozilla can be
> a symlink, so something like /home as a symlink
> also doesn't work.
>
> I switched from a symlink to a "bind" mount to
> solve my problem with /home by putting this
> in my /etc/fstab:
>
> /zooty/home /home none rw,bind 0 0
>
> Now I still have /home as a subdir on a separate
> disk, but firefox doesn't get all upset about
> symlinks.
>

Hi,
On my F13, /home is a symlink to /sdb3/home
and it has not caused any problems with any mozilla product.
The only problems I DO have are with the Firefox add-ons;
do not know which one yet. I have simple removed all of them
to make the problem go away.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: Another funny update?

[JD]

On 06/19/2010 02:02 PM, Marcel Rieux was caught red-handed while writing::



On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Bruno Wolff III > wrote:


On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 22:02:49 -0400,
 Marcel Rieux mailto:m.z.ri...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>
> As I said, I don't believe rpmfusion, a repository not supported
by Red
> Hat/Fedora,  could block a kernel update.

They can using 'conflicts' in the spec file. 



What's this spec file? How do you use conflicts?

If the kmod is installed first,


How do I make "if" less iffy?

You'll have to explain this whole process. I'd be very surprised if a 
repository not belonging to Red Hat/Fedora could prevent a kernel 
upgrade or any upgrade. This could eb dangerous.


You can also set your system so that the default boot kernel
doesn't change
when there is a kernel update. This protects you from the kmod
being released
late problem at the cost of having to manually switch boot kernels
after
every kernel + kmod update.


If you remember the beginning of this discussion, we were talking 
about the problems the missing kmod could occcasion to newbies. 
I always check that the corresponding kmod is there and if I'd ever 
forget, it would be no problem reverting to the previous kernel. But a 
newbie might decide that "this thing doesn't work" and go back to Windows.


Your "solution" is not a solution for newbies.

Now, here's the upgrade suggestion I received today:

Package kernel.x86_64 0:2.6.32.14-127.fc12 set to be installed
---> Package kernel-firmware.noarch 0:2.6.32.14-127.fc12 set to be updated
---> Package kernel-headers.x86_64 0:2.6.32.14-127.fc12 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-nvidia.x86_64 1:195.36.24-1.fc12.3 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: kmod-nvidia-2.6.32.14-127.fc12.x86_64 >= 
1:195.36.24-1.fc12.3 for package: 1:kmod-nvidia-195.36.24-1.fc12.3.x86_64


kernel x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12 updates 21 M
kernel-firmware noarch 2.6.32.14-127.fc12 updates 973 k
kernel-headers x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12 updates 754 k
kmod-nvidia x86_64 1:195.36.24-1.fc12.3 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 31 k

It somehow doesn't seem to me like a standard upgrade...


Dependency processing is a normal part of the yum-updatesd daemon's 
activity.

I have seen it when I do manual yum update or when I invoke YumX.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: f13: Firefox wont start if the ~/.mozilla/ is a sym link

[Tom Horsley]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:50:26 +0200
Dario Lesca wrote:

> It's a bug? 

They apparently claim it is a feature, not a bug.
In fact, nothing in the path to ~/.mozilla can be
a symlink, so something like /home as a symlink
also doesn't work.

I switched from a symlink to a "bind" mount to
solve my problem with /home by putting this
in my /etc/fstab:

/zooty/home /home none rw,bind 0 0

Now I still have /home as a subdir on a separate
disk, but firefox doesn't get all upset about
symlinks.
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Re: Another funny update?

[Marcel Rieux]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 22:02:49 -0400,
>   Marcel Rieux  wrote:
> >
> > As I said, I don't believe rpmfusion, a repository not supported by Red
> > Hat/Fedora,  could block a kernel update.
>
> They can using 'conflicts' in the spec file.


What's this spec file? How do you use conflicts?


> If the kmod is installed first,
>

How do I make "if" less iffy?

You'll have to explain this whole process. I'd be very surprised if a
repository not belonging to Red Hat/Fedora could prevent a kernel upgrade or
any upgrade. This could eb dangerous.


> You can also set your system so that the default boot kernel doesn't change
> when there is a kernel update. This protects you from the kmod being
> released
> late problem at the cost of having to manually switch boot kernels after
> every kernel + kmod update.
>

If you remember the beginning of this discussion, we were talking about the
problems the missing kmod could occcasion to newbies. I always check
that the corresponding kmod is there and if I'd ever forget, it would be no
problem reverting to the previous kernel. But a newbie might decide that
"this thing doesn't work" and go back to Windows.

Your "solution" is not a solution for newbies.

Now, here's the upgrade suggestion I received today:

Package kernel.x86_64 0:2.6.32.14-127.fc12 set to be installed
---> Package kernel-firmware.noarch 0:2.6.32.14-127.fc12 set to be updated
---> Package kernel-headers.x86_64 0:2.6.32.14-127.fc12 set to be updated
---> Package kmod-nvidia.x86_64 1:195.36.24-1.fc12.3 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: kmod-nvidia-2.6.32.14-127.fc12.x86_64 >=
1:195.36.24-1.fc12.3 for package: 1:kmod-nvidia-195.36.24-1.fc12.3.x86_64

kernel x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12 updates 21 M
kernel-firmware noarch 2.6.32.14-127.fc12 updates 973 k
kernel-headers x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12 updates 754 k
kmod-nvidia x86_64 1:195.36.24-1.fc12.3 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates 31 k

It somehow doesn't seem to me like a standard upgrade...
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Re: Can't see MacBook Air airport after kernel upgrade

[Colin Paul Adams]

> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

Colin> Hello, My MacBook Air, running Fedora 12 (only - no Mac OSX
Colin> or anything else present) was working fine last night. I hit
Colin> the orange star to do an upgrade.

Colin> Today, the system could not see an eth0 wireless device (the
Colin> Airport).

Colin> I edited grub.conf to say default=1, so as to reboot the
Colin> previous kernel. Now all is working fine (so I'm not too
Colin> concerned).

Colin> That previous (working) kernel is 2.6.32.12-115.fc12.x86_64.

Colin> The newer (not so good) kernel is 2.6.32.14-127.fc12.x86_64.

Colin> Do I need to open a bugzilla ticket for this? If so, are
Colin> there any special keywords/terms I should use to make sure it
Colin> gets seen by the tight people?

Colin> Hm. 10 seconds after I sent this message, I see there is
Colin> another update available - for kmod-wl. Maybe this is
Colin> relevant.

Yes, that was it. 127 is working fine again. it's just a matter of the
timing of the updates.

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f13: Firefox wont start if the ~/.mozilla/ is a sym link

[Dario Lesca]

Hi, I backup my notebook with rsync on my home system into /notebook/.
and, on my home system, I have created a symbolic
link /notebook/home/me/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla

This work from fc1 to fc12.

Now with firefox 3.6.3 included in f13 this method no longer work. 

When I sync the notebook folder an run firefox, it start only the first
time, then no longer start, if I run it from a terminal, it start and
exit without show any kind of error.

If instead I copy /notebook/home/me/.mozilla in ~/.mozilla,
firefox work fine.

Someone have some suggest?

It's a bug? 
I must report them? if yes, on fedora or mozilla?



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f13: Firefox wont start if the ~/.mozilla/ is a sym link

[Dario Lesca]

Hi, I backup my notebook with rsync on my home system into /notebook/.
and, on my home system, I have created a symbolic
link /notebook/home/me/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla

This work from fc1 to fc12.

Now with firefox 3.6.3 included in f13 this method no longer work. 

When I sync the notebook folder an run firefox, it start only the first
time, then no longer start, if I run it from a terminal, it start and
exit without show any kind of error.

If instead I copy /notebook/home/me/.mozilla in ~/.mozilla,
firefox work fine.

Someone have some suggests?

It's a bug? 

I must report them? if yes, on fedora or mozilla?



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Re: Can't see MacBook Air airport after kernel upgrade

[Colin Paul Adams]

Colin> Hello, My MacBook Air, running Fedora 12 (only - no Mac OSX
Colin> or anything else present) was working fine last night. I hit
Colin> the orange star to do an upgrade.

Colin> Today, the system could not see an eth0 wireless device (the
Colin> Airport).

Colin> I edited grub.conf to say default=1, so as to reboot the
Colin> previous kernel. Now all is working fine (so I'm not too
Colin> concerned).

Colin> That previous (working) kernel is 2.6.32.12-115.fc12.x86_64.

Colin> The newer (not so good) kernel is 2.6.32.14-127.fc12.x86_64.

Colin> Do I need to open a bugzilla ticket for this? If so, are
Colin> there any special keywords/terms I should use to make sure it
Colin> gets seen by the tight people?

Hm. 10 seconds after I sent this message, I see there is another update
available - for kmod-wl. Maybe this is relevant.

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Can't see MacBook Air airport after kernel upgrade

[Colin Paul Adams]

Hello,

My MacBook Air, running Fedora 12 (only - no Mac OSX or anything else
present) was working fine last night. I hit the orange star to do an
upgrade.

Today, the system could not see an eth0 wireless device (the Airport).

I edited grub.conf to say default=1, so as to reboot the previous
kernel. Now all is working fine (so I'm not too concerned).

That previous (working) kernel is 2.6.32.12-115.fc12.x86_64.

The newer (not so good) kernel is 2.6.32.14-127.fc12.x86_64.

Do I need to open a bugzilla ticket for this? If so, are there any
special keywords/terms I should use to make sure it gets seen by the
tight people?

Thanks.
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Re: Thunderbird 3.1

[Suvayu Ali]

On Saturday 19 June 2010 08:55 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
> Then download the tarball of the version you are interested in - for example:
> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/3.1rc2/linux-i686/en-GB/thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2

This is bit of a problem on 64 bit installations.
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POS , Point Of Sale in Fedora 12 repos

[Jim]

FC12

Is there a Point Of Sale POS rpm in Fedora 12 repos.
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Re: NFS mounts - temporary failure in name resolution

[Steve Searle]

Around 05:41pm on Saturday, June 19, 2010 (UK time), Bill Davidsen scrawled:

> One possibility is that DHCP hasn't run yet, and "albacore" didn't map to 
> "albacore.your.domain" because /etc/resolv.conf didn't have the search path 
> set. 
> Try using the FQDN instead of just the node name and see if the problem goes 
> away.

I should have said, I had already tried this.  However I think it is
NetworkManager (see my other reply).

Thanks

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Re: NFS mounts - temporary failure in name resolution [solved]

[Steve Searle]

Around 04:30pm on Saturday, June 19, 2010 (UK time), Tom Horsley scrawled:

> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 16:03:44 +0100
> Steve Searle wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Does this machine also run bind as a local nameserver?
> I found that the first lookups I do during boot always
> fail. I assume because bind takes "too long" to get
> started and prime the cache (or something :-).

No - it uses another machine as a nameserver. However editing /etc/fstab
to use ip addresses produces "mount.nfs: Failed to resolve server
192.168.126.151: Address family for hostname not supported" messages.
Again these usually happen on bootup, but not always.


Around 04:45pm on Saturday, June 19, 2010 (UK time), Doron Bar Zeev scrawled:

> Are you using NetworkManager?

Yes.

> I switched to using the network service instead which fixed the problem.

Good call. I tried this and it seems to have solved the problem. But
because I wanted to keep using NetworkManager (I occiasionally use
wireless on these) I changed back to NetworkManager and added a "sleep
10" to the end of the start part of the init.d script. A bit of a kludge
but it seems to have sorted it.

Cheers

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Re: bad HD sectors

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 11:43:19 -0700,
  JD  wrote:
> Greetings,
> I have a 500GB hd which smarts daemon says has 1 re-mapped sector,
> and 129 bad sectors.
> How is it possible to have 129 bad sectors, but only 1 re-mapped sector?
> Did the HD have only 1 spare sector when I purchased it?
> Is that possible?
> Drive was purchased brand new in factory sealed box.

Normally drives will not remap sectors until they have either been successfuly
read or they are written to. This gives you a chance to keep trying to recover
the data.

129 bad sectors is significant. I'd be pretty worried about how long that
drive will continue to work. If you do keep using, keep a close eye on the
number of problem sectors.
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bad HD sectors

[JD]

Greetings,
I have a 500GB hd which smarts daemon says has 1 re-mapped sector, and 
129 bad sectors.

How is it possible to have 129 bad sectors, but only 1 re-mapped sector?
Did the HD have only 1 spare sector when I purchased it?
Is that possible?
Drive was purchased brand new in factory sealed box.
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Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

[Jerry Feldman]

  On 06/19/2010 01:34 PM, bruce wrote:
> hey.
>
> looking at using the wifi at starbucks, given that it's going to be
> free in july!
>
> i'm looking for detailed steps from anyone who's actually used a
> public starbucks wifi access.
>
> my system is fedora, running network-setup. i don't have/use/want
> networkmanager!
>
> so i'm looking for the actual steps to use using the cmd line functions.
>
> i've seen different sites, that have different processes, so i fugured
> i'd turn to here.
>
> thanks much!
I've used iwconfig(8). There are lots of options.
sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "issid"


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wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

[bruce]

hey.

looking at using the wifi at starbucks, given that it's going to be
free in july!

i'm looking for detailed steps from anyone who's actually used a
public starbucks wifi access.

my system is fedora, running network-setup. i don't have/use/want
networkmanager!

so i'm looking for the actual steps to use using the cmd line functions.

i've seen different sites, that have different processes, so i fugured
i'd turn to here.

thanks much!
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Re: Support for audio on webcams PING! someone must use this

[Bill Davidsen]

Does no one use USB audio?

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/14/2010 08:19 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> This may be related to x86_64 install, but I'm told there's an issue in 
>> 32 bit as well.
>>
>> I have a webcam, Logitech laptop model, and I'm trying to capture to 
>> sound and audio.
>>   
> 
> File a bug report against the kernel and cc hdegoede  AT redhat.com
> 
As I noted in the snipped portion of my original post, I assume the cause of 
the 
problem is that I don't know some configuration trick or am using an app which 
does obsolete analog. I can't file a bug saying "nothing wrong but me" so if 
someone with working USB audio (webcam or TV card, same issue with both), I 
would appreciate a pointer.

Original post said:

What I did on older versions of Fedora was to use the recording
capability of xawtv. So I started that with device /dev/video2 (the cam
with audio) and it gives no audio. It keeps looking for /dev/dsp
(analog) even though docs say xawtv knows how to handle the new v4l2
audio inputs. The only option for audio is -C and that is looking for an
analog device.

So is there a trick to make this work, or is there another *simple*
application to do a similar thing?
Ever since audio went digital it has been increasingly hard for non-guru
users to use, and Pulse just adds to the complexity.
Tell me there's a simple application which just works the way they used to.


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Re: NFS mounts - temporary failure in name resolution

[Bill Davidsen]

Steve Searle wrote:
> I have installed Fedora 13 on two machines now, and am getting the same
> problem when mounting nfs shares at boot time on both machines. The
> problem happens most of the time when I boot, but not always.
> 
> I have four nfs mounts and when the problem occurs the following message
> is displayed four times, at the "Mounting NFS filesystems:" point:
>   mount.nfs: Failed to resolve server albacore: Temporary failure in
>   name resolution.
> 
> However, even when the messages are displayed, the nfs shares are always
> mounted.
> 
> Although this means it is not a serious problem, it is anoying becasue
> the machines flag that there are boot messages that need to be looked
> at.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
One possibility is that DHCP hasn't run yet, and "albacore" didn't map to 
"albacore.your.domain" because /etc/resolv.conf didn't have the search path 
set. 
Try using the FQDN instead of just the node name and see if the problem goes 
away.

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Re: Thunderbird 3.1

[mike cloaked]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:55 PM, mike cloaked  wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
>> On 06/19/2010 07:59 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
>>> I see that Thunderbird 3.1 RC2 is in the rawhide repository.  When
>>> Thunderbird 3.1 is release, will it become part of Fedora 13 or will it
>>> be held until Fedora 14?
>>>
>>> It appears that 3.1 is faster and more reliable than 3.0.4.
>>>
>>
>> Unlikely.  Newer versions of Mozilla apps typically require major new
>> versions of XULRunner as well and since there are many apps  using
>> XUlRunner,  Fedora typically does not update to a major version of
>> Firefox or Thunderbird in a existing release.
>
> Even though it may not be planned as a provided rpm for f13 it is
> actually pretty easy to install Thunderbird 3.1 of any version
> yourself and run it.
>
> What you do is the following:
> Make yourself a directory where you will hold the application - eg in
> my case it is /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/ but you can choose anywhere
> you like.
> Then download the tarball of the version you are interested in - for example:
> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/3.1rc2/linux-i686/en-GB/thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2
>
> As root cd to the storage directory you have chosen, and move the file
> to the directory where you want to store it, and use the tar command
> to uncompress the tarball.

I forgot a couple of details here - use tar jxf
thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2 in this case

>
> Then you will have a directory such as in my case: 
> /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/

Slight correction: in my case: /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird

> What I do is to rename that directory to one with the date appended so
 the directory name is /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.1-100619
> Then I make a symlink to that calling it simply thunderbird by doing:
> ln -s thunderbird-3.1-100619 thunderbird

after first cd'ing  to the directory /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird
>
> So now /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird is a link to the
> directory containing the files for this new version of Thunderbird.
> The reason for doing this is that you can download newer versions and
> keep the original directory - so later you may then have
> thunderbird-3.1-100630 for example and then remove the link and relink
> to the newer directory - the rest will then work without the need to
> do any other changes - and if the newer version has a problem then
> merely removing the link and remaking it to the original directory
> will then get you back to where you were.
>
> Then I create a standard script file that uses the application by
> creating a file called thunderbird in /opt/Local/bin (but you could
> put it anywhere you like)
> That file contains:
> #!/bin/sh
> TDIR=/opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird
> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$TDIR
> exec $TDIR/thunderbird
>
> I make an icon on the desktop, of type application, that calls this
> file as a command - i.e. the command is /opt/Local/bin/thunderbird
>
> Make sure that you keep a copy of the your Thunderbird profile in
> .thunderbird in your user area in case there are problems going from a
> very old version of thunderbird to the new one.
>
> Double click on the new icon and this new version of Thunderbird
> should fire up and run.
>
> I have been using the latest nightly versions of thunderbird 3.1 for a
> very long time and it works without any problems for me.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
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Re: Thunderbird 3.1

[mike cloaked]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
> On 06/19/2010 07:59 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
>> I see that Thunderbird 3.1 RC2 is in the rawhide repository.  When
>> Thunderbird 3.1 is release, will it become part of Fedora 13 or will it
>> be held until Fedora 14?
>>
>> It appears that 3.1 is faster and more reliable than 3.0.4.
>>
>
> Unlikely.  Newer versions of Mozilla apps typically require major new
> versions of XULRunner as well and since there are many apps  using
> XUlRunner,  Fedora typically does not update to a major version of
> Firefox or Thunderbird in a existing release.

Even though it may not be planned as a provided rpm for f13 it is
actually pretty easy to install Thunderbird 3.1 of any version
yourself and run it.

What you do is the following:
Make yourself a directory where you will hold the application - eg in
my case it is /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/ but you can choose anywhere
you like.
Then download the tarball of the version you are interested in - for example:
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/3.1rc2/linux-i686/en-GB/thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2

As root cd to the storage directory you have chosen, and move the file
to the directory where you want to store it, and use the tar command
to uncompress the tarball.

Then you will have a directory such as in my case: /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/
What I do is to rename that directory to one with the date appended so
the directory name is thunderbird-3.1-100619
Then I make a symlink to that calling it simply thunderbird by doing:
ln -s thunderbird-3.1-100619 thunderbird

So now /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird is a link to the
directory containing the files for this new version of Thunderbird.
The reason for doing this is that you can download newer versions and
keep the original directory - so later you may then have
thunderbird-3.1-100630 for example and then remove the link and relink
to the newer directory - the rest will then work without the need to
do any other changes - and if the newer version has a problem then
merely removing the link and remaking it to the original directory
will then get you back to where you were.

Then I create a standard script file that uses the application by
creating a file called thunderbird in /opt/Local/bin (but you could
put it anywhere you like)
That file contains:
#!/bin/sh
TDIR=/opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$TDIR
exec $TDIR/thunderbird

I make an icon on the desktop, of type application, that calls this
file as a command - i.e. the command is /opt/Local/bin/thunderbird

Make sure that you keep a copy of the your Thunderbird profile in
.thunderbird in your user area in case there are problems going from a
very old version of thunderbird to the new one.

Double click on the new icon and this new version of Thunderbird
should fire up and run.

I have been using the latest nightly versions of thunderbird 3.1 for a
very long time and it works without any problems for me.

I hope this helps.


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Re: NFS mounts - temporary failure in name resolution

[Doron Bar Zeev]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 18:03, Steve Searle  wrote:

> I have installed Fedora 13 on two machines now, and am getting the same
> problem when mounting nfs shares at boot time on both machines. The
> problem happens most of the time when I boot, but not always.
>
> I have four nfs mounts and when the problem occurs the following message
> is displayed four times, at the "Mounting NFS filesystems:" point:
>  mount.nfs: Failed to resolve server albacore: Temporary failure in
>  name resolution.
>
>
Are you using NetworkManager?
I've had a similar problem with NetworkManager when on boot time when the
system tried to mount the nfs shares,
the network wasn't ready. Only after I logged in and NetworkManager was
started the system tried to mount those shares again and then they got
mounted.
I switched to using the network service instead which fixed the problem.
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Re: Installing Citrix Presentation Server / OpenMotif on Fedora13

[Mogens Kjaer]

On 06/19/2010 04:28 PM, Kevin Ballard wrote:
> I have installed Citrix Linux client version 11.100 which apparently
> requires OpenMotif v.2.3.1.  However, I cannot find OpenMotif v.2.3.1
> for Fedora 2.6.33.5-124.fc13.i686.  I found it for an older version
> of Fedora but it didn't work.

You can find OpenMotif v.2.3.2 in rpmfusion-nonfree, it works
with ICAClient.

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Re: NFS mounts - temporary failure in name resolution

[Tom Horsley]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 16:03:44 +0100
Steve Searle wrote:

> Does anyone have any ideas?

Does this machine also run bind as a local nameserver?
I found that the first lookups I do during boot always
fail. I assume because bind takes "too long" to get
started and prime the cache (or something :-).

I made my name lookup problems go away by defining
a "namedprime" system service script that starts
just after named and backgrounds nslookup commands for
names I happen to know I'll need soon.

Klunky, but it worked :-).
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Re: Thunderbird 3.1

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 06/19/2010 07:59 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
> I see that Thunderbird 3.1 RC2 is in the rawhide repository.  When
> Thunderbird 3.1 is release, will it become part of Fedora 13 or will it
> be held until Fedora 14?
>
> It appears that 3.1 is faster and more reliable than 3.0.4.
>   

Unlikely.  Newer versions of Mozilla apps typically require major new
versions of XULRunner as well and since there are many apps  using
XUlRunner,  Fedora typically does not update to a major version of
Firefox or Thunderbird in a existing release. 

Rahul

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NFS mounts - temporary failure in name resolution

[Steve Searle]

I have installed Fedora 13 on two machines now, and am getting the same
problem when mounting nfs shares at boot time on both machines. The
problem happens most of the time when I boot, but not always.

I have four nfs mounts and when the problem occurs the following message
is displayed four times, at the "Mounting NFS filesystems:" point:
  mount.nfs: Failed to resolve server albacore: Temporary failure in
  name resolution.

However, even when the messages are displayed, the nfs shares are always
mounted.

Although this means it is not a serious problem, it is anoying becasue
the machines flag that there are boot messages that need to be looked
at.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanksx

Steve

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Re: Thunderbird 3.1

[Kevin J. Cummings]

On 06/19/2010 10:29 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
> I see that Thunderbird 3.1 RC2 is in the rawhide repository.  When
> Thunderbird 3.1 is release, will it become part of Fedora 13 or will it
> be held until Fedora 14?

I wouldn't hold my breath unless you see it in F13 updates-testing

> It appears that 3.1 is faster and more reliable than 3.0.4.

Usually, Fedora doesn't like doing major upgrades during update cycles,
however, filing an RFE, stating your reasons, is a much better approach
and may have more effect

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Thunderbird 3.1

[Steven Stern]

I see that Thunderbird 3.1 RC2 is in the rawhide repository.  When
Thunderbird 3.1 is release, will it become part of Fedora 13 or will it
be held until Fedora 14?

It appears that 3.1 is faster and more reliable than 3.0.4.


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Installing Citrix Presentation Server / OpenMotif on Fedora13

[Kevin Ballard]

I have installed Citrix Linux client version 11.100 which apparently requires 
OpenMotif v.2.3.1.  However, I cannot find OpenMotif v.2.3.1 for Fedora 
2.6.33.5-124.fc13.i686.  I found it for an older version of Fedora but it 
didn't work.

I am relatively new to Linux so any advice would be appreciated.  Thank you.

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Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13

[g]

Jerry Feldman wrote:


> So far, after upgrading to 3.1-0.2.rc2.fc14 it seems to be more 
> responsive to mouse clicks and no freezes (but I have not been using it 
> long enough to really measure).

maybe it will last.

> The only thing I would prefer is if there were a verison of enigmail 
> that was compatible.

your preferences have been met, according to;

  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/71/

Updated  May 29, 2010
Website http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
Works with  Thunderbird: 3.1a1pre - 3.1.*


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Re: gpk-update-viewer vs. yum

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: BeartoothHOS 
| Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:51:05 + (UTC)
| 
|   Is it just me?? 
| 
|   I've noticed, on several machines (PC, laptop, netbook) that if 
| the machine has no connection, or thinks it has none, the gpk function 
| claims there are no updates; but if I doubt that and run yum update, it 
| may immediately get over a hundred -- or at least report a failure to 
| connect.
| 
|   Couldn't gpk do the same??

I've just experienced this.  It seems to be related to
 but that is
marked as closed having been fixed for Fedora 13.

To compound the problem, when I enable the network using nm,
gpk-update-viewer still reports "All software is up to date" without
bothering to use the now-available network connection.

I've got several other grumbles that I've mentioned in

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Re: Help getting WiFi working on laptop

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:35:58 -0400,
  "John W. Linville"  wrote:
> 
> yum install iwl6050-firmware

Was this needed because iwl6050-firmware is such a new package? Would it
be expected to be installed by default on F14+ ?
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Re: SB Blaster X-fi card

[Gilboa Davara]

On Sat, 2010-06-19 at 06:23 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> Anyone have this Sound Blaster X-fi Extreme Audio card installed in
> their desktop running Fedora?  If so, what in the world did you do to
> get it working?  Do I have to maybe run a alsamixer or some type
> configuration program to enable something for it to work?  
> 
> -- 
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> 
> "Best lil town on Earth!"
> 

As far as I know, Creative Labs have only recently released the required
specs of the X-fi card(s).
As a result, the alsa driver support for X-fi cards is in early alpha
state (The initial release was 1.0.21, F13 uses 1.0.23).

Never the less, you should be able to get basic sound (As far as I could
see the X-fi Xtreme is supported by this driver).
Two questions:
A. Are you seeing a the volume control slider? Is it unmuted?
B. Using the console, what the output of $ /sbin/lsmod | grep snd?

- Gilboa

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Re: inkscape fedora 10 not working

[François Patte]

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> On 19/06/10 11:22, François Patte wrote:
> 
>> Of course! It was my starting point and, as it did not work, I compiled
>> the latest version
>>
> 
> Start it from cli and see what errors may come.

No errors, nothing happens: fan speed increases a lot, cpu climbs to
100% but whatever is the time I wait for something nothing happens
and I have to kill the process...


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SB Blaster X-fi card

[Mike Chambers]

Anyone have this Sound Blaster X-fi Extreme Audio card installed in
their desktop running Fedora?  If so, what in the world did you do to
get it working?  Do I have to maybe run a alsamixer or some type
configuration program to enable something for it to work?  

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Re: Chinese input on a mixed 32/64 bit Fedora installation

[Steve Underwood]

On 06/19/2010 04:29 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> I just changed from 64 bit Firefox to 32 bit Firefox on my Fedora 13
>> machine, because of the recent Flash issues. Now, when I try to enter
>> Chinese in a browser window I can't select the ibus input method. Does
>> anyone know if there is a way to fix this?
>>
>>  
> Are you saying that the ibus keyboard isn't on your panel?  Have you
> enabled it by running im-chooser?
>
>
I took a fully working Fedora 13 installation, where Chinese entry 
worked in all windows. I changed the Firefox from the 64 bit version to 
the 32 bit version. Now Chinese entry still works in all the other 
windows, but when I am in a 32 bit Firefox window the keyboard symbol 
will not change to the IME symbol, and Chinese entry is not possible.

Steve

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Re: inkscape fedora 10 not working

[Frank Murphy]

On 19/06/10 11:22, François Patte wrote:

> 
> Of course! It was my starting point and, as it did not work, I compiled
> the latest version
> 

Start it from cli and see what errors may come.

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Re: inkscape fedora 10 not working

[François Patte]

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Le 19/06/2010 11:59, jarmo a écrit :
> François Patte kirjoitti lauantai, 19. kesäkuuta 2010 12:08:22:
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> I try to use inkscape under fedora 10 and it does not work at all:
>> unable to launch
>>
>> I tried (and succeeded) to compile it, but the freshly compiled 
> version
>> (0.47) cannot be launched too.
> 
> Have you tried yum install inkscape?

Of course! It was my starting point and, as it did not work, I compiled
the latest version

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Re: inkscape fedora 10 not working

[jarmo]

François Patte kirjoitti lauantai, 19. kesäkuuta 2010 12:08:22:
> Bonjour,
> 
> I try to use inkscape under fedora 10 and it does not work at all:
> unable to launch
> 
> I tried (and succeeded) to compile it, but the freshly compiled 
version
> (0.47) cannot be launched too.

Have you tried yum install inkscape?
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inkscape fedora 10 not working

[François Patte]

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Bonjour,

I try to use inkscape under fedora 10 and it does not work at all:
unable to launch

I tried (and succeeded) to compile it, but the freshly compiled version
(0.47) cannot be launched too.


Are there some tests what I can try to see what is not working? (I am
unable to read the results of strace...)

Thank you for attention.

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Re: NFS problem in FC13

[M A Young]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010, gary artim wrote:

> I had a problem with this, my server running fc12, client running
> fc13. The nfs mount worked, but all the files were read only and the
> owner.group for all files were set to nobody. I used the '-o
> nfsvers=3' option on the client. -- gary

That sounds like the Domain settings didn't match. This is set in 
/etc/idmapd.conf . If this was the case you should get messages 
in /var/log/messages about not being able to map usernames.

Michael Young
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Re: Chinese input on a mixed 32/64 bit Fedora installation

[Ed Greshko]

> I just changed from 64 bit Firefox to 32 bit Firefox on my Fedora 13 
> machine, because of the recent Flash issues. Now, when I try to enter 
> Chinese in a browser window I can't select the ibus input method. Does 
> anyone know if there is a way to fix this?
>   
Are you saying that the ibus keyboard isn't on your panel?  Have you
enabled it by running im-chooser?

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Re: Debugging 32-bit applications on an x86_64 system

[Siddhesh Poyarekar]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:
>> You could download the debuginfo rpm, decompress it using rpm2cpio and
>> the load up the program with LD_LIBRARY_PATH pointing to the location
>> where you decompressed it.
>
> Again, this would be tedious, since there are 33 debuginfo packages that
> need to be loaded.

Agreed. Btw, I don't really think you need all debuginfo packages to
debug a google earth crash unless you're sure that the problem is not
in google earth itself. I assume you're confident of that, which is
why you're looking for clues in the OS instead.

>> And you also ought to be reporting this as a bug, since ideally the
>> package should be split up to separate xmlwf from expat. Maybe
>> discussion on the fedora devel list would make this clearer:
>
> This is not a particular bug, but rather a *kind* of bug.  I don't think
> all 33 packages have this problem, but enough of them do to create a lot
> of trouble.  In fact none of the 33 debuginfo packages would load.

Yes, but the only way to get this fixed this is to find and report
bugs for them. Binaries and libraries (especially ones that are
distributed to be linked against) do not belong in the same package.

>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
>
> I assume you are pointing to the list in general, and not to any special
> discussion.

Yes, the discussion would be very fruitful on devel list since there
would be a lot of people who would have good ideas on it; not just the
bug in question, but also alternative ways to acquire the debuginfo
packages necessary without doing the hard work.

> Indeed the *best* way forward is to eliminate proprietary packages, or
> (at least) to have proprietary code released in source form for Linux
> only, as (I think) qt and ghostscript are.  Then getting 64-bit packages
> requires not too much more than recompilation.
>
> But lets not hold our breath.  The open source driver (nouveau) for my
> video card (Nvidia GeForce 9500 GT) does not utilize the full capacity
> of the card; the proprietary driver (kmod-nvidia) is broken, and causes
> Google Earth (yet another proprietary program, which I'm very fond of)
> to crash on startup.  The open source Flash plugin for Firefox has been
> under development for years, and still doesn't display many (most?)
> Flash URLs.  The proprietary Flash plugin (64-bit) makes Firefox crash
> on termination.
>
> The suggestion gives maybe the best way forward under the circumstances.
>

I'm not talking about elimination of multilib support (32 bit
libraries on x86_64). I was actually talking about the expat package
(or similar packages), and that 32 bit binaries should not be
distributed on x86_64 as part of the distribution.


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Re: Debugging 32-bit applications on an x86_64 system

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

Thanks very much for your reply.  Detailed comments follow.

On Sat, 2010-06-19 at 12:48 +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:
> > I'm trying to debug inspect googleearth (a 32-bit application) using gdb
> > on an x86_64 system.  Gdb starts OK, but when I attempt to run
> > googleearth, it reports that a large number of debuginfo packages are
> > missing with messages like:
> >Missing separate debuginfo for /lib/libexpat.so.1
> >Try: yum --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo='*-debuginfo' install 
> > /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/f4/6a67411322c129b167dd758b8ab9cbd2e4ddf9.debug
> > When I attempt to run yum to carry this out, yum produces error messages
> > like:
> >file /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/xmlwf.debug from install of 
> > expat-debuginfo-2.0.1-10.fc13.i686 conflicts with file from package 
> > expat-debuginfo-2.0.1-10.fc13.x86_64
> > Apparently, the debug info for the *library* /lib/libexpat.so.1 is
> > packaged in the same rpm with the debug info for the *executable* xmlwf.
> > And since executables on x86_64 system are not segregated by execution
> > model (32-bit vs. 64-bit) there is a file name conflict.
> >
> > (A question) Is there any way to load the debug info for these 32-bit
> > library without removing the debug info for 64-bit libraries?  This
> > would be tedious, since there are about 100 64-bit debug packages on the
> > system currently.
> 
> You could download the debuginfo rpm, decompress it using rpm2cpio and
> the load up the program with LD_LIBRARY_PATH pointing to the location
> where you decompressed it.

Again, this would be tedious, since there are 33 debuginfo packages that
need to be loaded.

> And you also ought to be reporting this as a bug, since ideally the
> package should be split up to separate xmlwf from expat. Maybe
> discussion on the fedora devel list would make this clearer:

This is not a particular bug, but rather a *kind* of bug.  I don't think
all 33 packages have this problem, but enough of them do to create a lot
of trouble.  In fact none of the 33 debuginfo packages would load.

> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

I assume you are pointing to the list in general, and not to any special
discussion.

> > (A suggestion) On x86_64 systems 32-bit executables and 64-bit
> > executables should be in separate directories: say /usr/bin32
> > and /usr/bin/64.  An addition directory /usr/bin would contain
> > (symbolic) links to default executables.  (I think this would keep all
> > current shell scripts, etc., running.)  Maybe the same file structure
> > -- /usr/lib32 /usr/lib64 and /usr/lib -- would also be good for
> > libraries.
> >
> 
> No, because the way forward is to eliminate the need for 32 bit
> binaries on 64 bit systems. The libraries are there now because we
> still have a lot of programs that are built as 32 bit only (flash).

Indeed the *best* way forward is to eliminate proprietary packages, or
(at least) to have proprietary code released in source form for Linux
only, as (I think) qt and ghostscript are.  Then getting 64-bit packages
requires not too much more than recompilation.

But lets not hold our breath.  The open source driver (nouveau) for my
video card (Nvidia GeForce 9500 GT) does not utilize the full capacity
of the card; the proprietary driver (kmod-nvidia) is broken, and causes
Google Earth (yet another proprietary program, which I'm very fond of)
to crash on startup.  The open source Flash plugin for Firefox has been
under development for years, and still doesn't display many (most?)
Flash URLs.  The proprietary Flash plugin (64-bit) makes Firefox crash
on termination.

The suggestion gives maybe the best way forward under the circumstances.

Thanks again - jon


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Chinese input on a mixed 32/64 bit Fedora installation

[Steve Underwood]

Hi,

I just changed from 64 bit Firefox to 32 bit Firefox on my Fedora 13 
machine, because of the recent Flash issues. Now, when I try to enter 
Chinese in a browser window I can't select the ibus input method. Does 
anyone know if there is a way to fix this?

Steve

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Re: Adobe (Temporarily?)... VHS vs Beta

[Tim]

On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 22:35 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote:
> Heck yes it's OT - but whatever happened to Laser Discs? ;o)

They shrank in the wash...  ;-)

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Re: Debugging 32-bit applications on an x86_64 system

[Siddhesh Poyarekar]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:
> I'm trying to debug inspect googleearth (a 32-bit application) using gdb
> on an x86_64 system.  Gdb starts OK, but when I attempt to run
> googleearth, it reports that a large number of debuginfo packages are
> missing with messages like:
>        Missing separate debuginfo for /lib/libexpat.so.1
>        Try: yum --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo='*-debuginfo' install 
> /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/f4/6a67411322c129b167dd758b8ab9cbd2e4ddf9.debug
> When I attempt to run yum to carry this out, yum produces error messages
> like:
>        file /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/xmlwf.debug from install of 
> expat-debuginfo-2.0.1-10.fc13.i686 conflicts with file from package 
> expat-debuginfo-2.0.1-10.fc13.x86_64
> Apparently, the debug info for the *library* /lib/libexpat.so.1 is
> packaged in the same rpm with the debug info for the *executable* xmlwf.
> And since executables on x86_64 system are not segregated by execution
> model (32-bit vs. 64-bit) there is a file name conflict.
>
> (A question) Is there any way to load the debug info for these 32-bit
> library without removing the debug info for 64-bit libraries?  This
> would be tedious, since there are about 100 64-bit debug packages on the
> system currently.

You could download the debuginfo rpm, decompress it using rpm2cpio and
the load up the program with LD_LIBRARY_PATH pointing to the location
where you decompressed it.

And you also ought to be reporting this as a bug, since ideally the
package should be split up to separate xmlwf from expat. Maybe
discussion on the fedora devel list would make this clearer:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

> (A suggestion) On x86_64 systems 32-bit executables and 64-bit
> executables should be in separate directories: say /usr/bin32
> and /usr/bin/64.  An addition directory /usr/bin would contain
> (symbolic) links to default executables.  (I think this would keep all
> current shell scripts, etc., running.)  Maybe the same file structure
> -- /usr/lib32 /usr/lib64 and /usr/lib -- would also be good for
> libraries.
>

No, because the way forward is to eliminate the need for 32 bit
binaries on 64 bit systems. The libraries are there now because we
still have a lot of programs that are built as 32 bit only (flash).


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