Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:03:04 -0600 Ranjan Maitra wrote: you may have missed this, but I did correct my earlier statement > in that earlier e-mail. So we are now on the same page: I agree with > you. > > Yeah, missed that bit. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:57:51 + Frank Murphy wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:46:57 -0600 > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > . > > > > This point has nothing to do with dnf and as I clarified, this is not > > what I was talking about. > > > > Ranjan > > > > It was the first bit I got confused on: > > >I tried dnf. One major issue that I did not like is that I asked it to > >install a bunch of stuff, one of which was not available (in F20). That > > meant dnf would not install anything > > I created a makeyup pks name: > > sudo dnf install bebian zikula > [sudo] password for frank: > No package bebian available. > > It installed zikula fine > So dnf will ignore non existing pkgs , > was what I was trying to show also I think. Btw, you may have missed this, but I did correct my earlier statement in that earlier e-mail. So we are now on the same page: I agree with you. Best wishes, Ranjan > ___ > Regards, > Frank > www.frankly3d.com > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. Send any screenshot to your friends in seconds... Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if2 for FREE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:46:57 -0600 Ranjan Maitra wrote: . > > This point has nothing to do with dnf and as I clarified, this is not > what I was talking about. > > Ranjan > It was the first bit I got confused on: >I tried dnf. One major issue that I did not like is that I asked it to >install a bunch of stuff, one of which was not available (in F20). That > meant dnf would not install anything I created a makeyup pks name: sudo dnf install bebian zikula [sudo] password for frank: No package bebian available. It installed zikula fine So dnf will ignore non existing pkgs , was what I was trying to show also I think. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:25:08 + Frank Murphy wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:17:52 -0600 > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > > > > This is not true. Try yum install zikula on a F20 machine. > > sudo dnf install zikula > Automatic local repo. (manged by the "local" yum > plugin). > 31 MB/s | 1.3 MB 00:00 Resolving dependencies --> Starting > dependency resolution ---> Package zikula.noarch 1.2.3-5.fc19 will be > installed > OK, I think that things snipped out out it out of context. Here is what was written: By me: > > I tried dnf. One major issue that I did not like is that I asked it to > > install a bunch of stuff, one of which was not available (in F20). > > That meant dnf would not install anything. > > Response: > yum won't install stuff that's not in F20 repos either, unless > --releasever= is passed. > If I understand correctly, My response: But this (that --releasever has to be included) is not true. This point has nothing to do with dnf and as I clarified, this is not what I was talking about. Ranjan > ___ > Regards, > Frank > www.frankly3d.com > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM & EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:17:52 -0600 Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > This is not true. Try yum install zikula on a F20 machine. sudo dnf install zikula Automatic local repo. (manged by the "local" yum plugin). 31 MB/s | 1.3 MB 00:00 Resolving dependencies --> Starting dependency resolution ---> Package zikula.noarch 1.2.3-5.fc19 will be installed ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:03:00 + Frank Murphy wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:42:58 -0600 > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > > I tried dnf. One major issue that I did not like is that I asked it to > > install a bunch of stuff, one of which was not available (in F20). > > That meant dnf would not install anything. > > > > > yum won't install stuff that's not in F20 repos either, unless > --releasever= is passed. > If I understand correctly, This is not true. Try yum install zikula on a F20 machine. But my point is that in case yum does not find something, it continues on with the others after mentioning that that was not found. dnf just quit. Try: sudo yum install gvfs-obexftp festival gvfs-obexftp is no longer available and yum will note that and go on to install the other (festival). sudo dnf install gvfs-obexftp festival (and it does the same as yum). Correction: Actually, my complaint is no longer true. A recent update appears to have fixed this, So, I withdraw my objection. Now, if only it could handle delta rpms, I would be happy! Ranjan > > ___ > Regards, > Frank > www.frankly3d.com > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:42:58 -0600 Ranjan Maitra wrote: > I tried dnf. One major issue that I did not like is that I asked it to > install a bunch of stuff, one of which was not available (in F20). > That meant dnf would not install anything. > > yum won't install stuff that's not in F20 repos either, unless --releasever= is passed. If I understand correctly. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 21:36:42 + Andre Robatino wrote: > Ranjan Maitra inbox.com> writes: > > > Also it was not clear to me that it was using deltarpms. Of course, I > > did not look into all possibilities so there may be some setting that I > > needed to have. > > Unfortunately, dnf doesn't yet support deltarpms. See > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=909468 . Thank you. Eventually, this will be added, I am sure, as also the option to continue if it does not find a package (and is asked to install a bunch). Other than these two issues, I found dnf just fine as a substitute to yum. Ranjan > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
Ranjan Maitra inbox.com> writes: > Also it was not clear to me that it was using deltarpms. Of course, I > did not look into all possibilities so there may be some setting that I > needed to have. Unfortunately, dnf doesn't yet support deltarpms. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=909468 . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
I tried dnf. One major issue that I did not like is that I asked it to install a bunch of stuff, one of which was not available (in F20). That meant dnf would not install anything. Also it was not clear to me that it was using deltarpms. Of course, I did not look into all possibilities so there may be some setting that I needed to have. Other than these, it worked fine for me. Ranjan On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:30:43 + Frank Murphy wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 10:21:39 -0500 > "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" wrote: > > > I guess I just don't understand, it seems like an update should > > include everything that needs changing ... Dnf is faster but if it > > only does half as much is that an improvement? > > > > It is for some who don't like pulling 100+mb of metadata say each day, > with a daily run. If there's only 20mb of updates. > > If you do want more updates as per Jan suggestion > you can dnf clean && dnf upgate > > The extra metadate also doesn't bother some, me being one. > cat /etc/cron.daily/yum-clean > #!/bin/bash > # yum clean on a daily basis > /usr/bin/yum clean headers metadata dbcache expire-cache rpmdb \ > # other stuff > > > ___ > Regards, > Frank > www.frankly3d.com > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. Publish your photos in seconds for FREE TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 10:21:39 -0500 "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" wrote: > I guess I just don't understand, it seems like an update should > include everything that needs changing ... Dnf is faster but if it > only does half as much is that an improvement? > It is for some who don't like pulling 100+mb of metadata say each day, with a daily run. If there's only 20mb of updates. If you do want more updates as per Jan suggestion you can dnf clean && dnf upgate The extra metadate also doesn't bother some, me being one. cat /etc/cron.daily/yum-clean #!/bin/bash # yum clean on a daily basis /usr/bin/yum clean headers metadata dbcache expire-cache rpmdb \ # other stuff ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On 09/01/14 09:31, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:26:32 -0500 "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" wrote: Apologies wrong link http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/01/02/dnf-update-and-yum-update-produce-different-output/ ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com I guess I just don't understand, it seems like an update should include everything that needs changing ... Dnf is faster but if it only does half as much is that an improvement? -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Box10 Fedora-20/64bit Linux -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On 9. 1. 2014 at 14:31:09, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:26:32 -0500 > "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" wrote: > > Apologies wrog link > > http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/01/02/dnf-update-and-yum-update-produce-differen > t-output/ Just a note here: if you want the MD to be synced up every time you run yum (which is not the case for me and I suppose many users will appreciate the fact that dnf doesn't check for MD every single time), check out the clean command, you have more options ranging from dnf clean expire-cache to dnf clean all. Ex. dnf clean all && dnf update Thanks Jan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf-yum observation - link corrected
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:26:32 -0500 "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" wrote: Apologies wrog link http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/01/02/dnf-update-and-yum-update-produce-different-output/ ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
