Re: Upgrade of F30 to F31 Appears to Have not Worked Correctly
On 2020-02-12 15:08, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 12/2/20 17:54, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 2020-02-12 14:37, Stephen Morris wrote: >>> Thanks Ed, I'll see if I can find someone who is running the same setup as >>> me. >>> As a side issue, I had to reinstall vmware and virtualbox as a result of >>> having to reinstall windows because the SSD that is windows drive c died on >>> the weekend. After the reinstall of virtualbox the network issues I had >>> with the original install have disappeared, but the X11 virtualbox video >>> driver supplied by fedora does not support the 4k resolution of my monitor >>> whereas the X11 vmware driver supplied by fedora does. Is this something >>> that can be raised as a bugzilla? >> AFAIK, and I could be wrong, the driver supplied by fedora is an opensource >> version of the driver supplied >> by VMware. Much like nouveau is the opensource of the nVidia driver. >> >> So, sure, you can raise a BZ. But not sure how long it would take, or how >> much effort would be put into, getting >> the capability added. > It wasn't the vmware driver I was looking at raising the issue on, it was the > virtualbox driver not supporting the preferred 4k resolution of the monitor. Sorry, I misread your original post. The VirtualBox tools supplied by Fedora are simply those from Oracle that have been packaged and placed in the repos. That being said, I have no problems to erase virtualbox-guest-additions supplied by fedora and then run the installer from Oracle to install theirs. I actually find them to work better in that screen resizing works as I expect. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 19:53 -0600, Dave Ulrick wrote: > I'm logged in as a non-root user with my home directory as my > current working directory. The file system containing my home > directory is mounted at /home. I'm using a shell prompt via a > graphical terminal emulator (xfce4-terminal, in my case). Now, I > enter an 'ls' command at a bash prompt. The output doesn't appear > until after my USB hard drive spins up. Note that neither > /var/backups nor any directory under it is in my shell's PATH, nor is > there any symlink to /var/backups in my current working directory. > Thus, there should be no need to read /var/backups, yet evidently > this exactly what happens. Just a stab in the dark: Is something poking about /var/run or /var/cache? Perhaps that's enough to look through /var. I wonder if you could try another terminal program, just to see if it's the terminal, itself. Maybe strace ls, to see what it's up to. I know with GUI programs, I had to move mountable thing to be inside a sub-directory of my homespace. Otherwise, anything that listed ~/ would wake up the drives to count the number of files in them. So, I feel your pain. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1062.12.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 4 23:02:59 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
Interesting thought. I can envision how a lookup for /var/xyz could cause everything under /var to be looked up, and I can see how /var/cache or /var/run would be frequently read. I'll try mounting a green USB drive's file system at a third-level directory (e.g., /var/backups/0) or under a less popular directory (e.g., /mnt/backups) and see if that behaves any differently. Thanks, Dave On 2/12/20 7:11 AM, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 19:53 -0600, Dave Ulrick wrote: I'm logged in as a non-root user with my home directory as my current working directory. The file system containing my home directory is mounted at /home. I'm using a shell prompt via a graphical terminal emulator (xfce4-terminal, in my case). Now, I enter an 'ls' command at a bash prompt. The output doesn't appear until after my USB hard drive spins up. Note that neither /var/backups nor any directory under it is in my shell's PATH, nor is there any symlink to /var/backups in my current working directory. Thus, there should be no need to read /var/backups, yet evidently this exactly what happens. Just a stab in the dark: Is something poking about /var/run or /var/cache? Perhaps that's enough to look through /var. I wonder if you could try another terminal program, just to see if it's the terminal, itself. Maybe strace ls, to see what it's up to. I know with GUI programs, I had to move mountable thing to be inside a sub-directory of my homespace. Otherwise, anything that listed ~/ would wake up the drives to count the number of files in them. So, I feel your pain. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Old Wine RPMs
On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 18:54:34 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, Now that Wine Staging has be gobbled up by Wine and Wine bugs are no longer being fixed unless you put Code Weavers on your payroll, I have had to downgrade my copy of Wine, due to regression errors Wine has reintroduced since we lost Wine Staging. What is the best way to figure out what all RPM's are used on my old version of Wine, so I can download them for when my version gets aged out of the repos? If you use koji download-build you will get all of the rpms associated with a specific version of a package. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
On 2/12/20 7:53 AM, Dave Ulrick wrote:
Interesting thought. I can envision how a lookup for /var/xyz could
cause everything under /var to be looked up, and I can see how
/var/cache or /var/run would be frequently read. I'll try mounting a
green USB drive's file system at a third-level directory (e.g.,
/var/backups/0) or under a less popular directory (e.g., /mnt/backups)
and see if that behaves any differently.
I ran 'strace' on 'ls' but nothing interesting showed up. Then, I ran
'strace' on 'bash'. I ran 'ls' from 'bash' and then exited. The strace
log shows two connect()s to a socket file under /var/run:
socket(AF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC|SOCK_NONBLOCK, 0) = 3
connect(3, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="/var/run/nscd/socket"}, 110) =
-1 ENOEN
T (No such file or directory)
close(3)
/var/run/nscd/socket appears to be related to the 'nscd' DNS cache which
I am not running on my PCs.
So, it looks likely that reading /var/run caused the contents of /var to
be read. This would have triggered a wakeup of the device hosting
/var/backups which would be a cause of its hard drive spinning up.
In addition to one PC that mounted a green USB drive under /var I had
several other PCs that mounted a NAS under /var. That NAS is intended to
store backup files so its hard drive is configured to spin down after 10
idle minutes.
In view of these findings, I've reconfigured my PCs to mount the backups
directory under /mnt instead of /var. So far since doing so I've not
noticed any spin-up delays related to a USB hard drive or the backup NAS.
Thanks, Tim!
Dave
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Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
The most irritating spin-up for me occurs on a reboot. I have a really slow USB drive that isn't even mounted, just plugged in (in case I want to mount it). The reboot always hangs for several seconds, and I can hear the drive spin up before the reboot proceeds. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Upgrade of F30 to F31 Appears to Have not Worked Correctly
On 12/2/20 18:12, Stephen Morris wrote: On 12/2/20 17:54, Ed Greshko wrote: On 2020-02-12 14:37, Stephen Morris wrote: Thanks Ed, I'll see if I can find someone who is running the same setup as me. As a side issue, I had to reinstall vmware and virtualbox as a result of having to reinstall windows because the SSD that is windows drive c died on the weekend. After the reinstall of virtualbox the network issues I had with the original install have disappeared, but the X11 virtualbox video driver supplied by fedora does not support the 4k resolution of my monitor whereas the X11 vmware driver supplied by fedora does. Is this something that can be raised as a bugzilla? AFAIK, and I could be wrong, the driver supplied by fedora is an opensource version of the driver supplied by VMware. Much like nouveau is the opensource of the nVidia driver. You are correct in saying the driver supplied for vmware is open source, but with the advent of Version 11 and onwards of the vmware-tools vmware require users to source and use the vmware-tools supplied by linux distributions, as opposed to a windows guest where vmware still supply the vmware-tools. In Virtualbox I installed the F31 Astronomy-KDE spin, so in order to get Gnome I did a dnf install of group "Fedora Workstation", and I also did a group install of "KDE Plasma Workspaces" in addition. After the install I logged out and logged back into Gnome on Wayland and the issue is occurring in Virtualbox now as well, which is not surprising as Virtualbox and Vmware seem to be running the same video driver as according to inxi both are running with a driver named "vmware". This driver appears to potentially be the driver from the fedora repositories, as after running the install script from the virtualbox-guest-additions mount point the fedora virtualbox-guest-additions package was installed even though I did not explicitly install it at any point. Having said this, both virtualbox and vmware could be using a driver of the same name and them not be the same physical driver, which if that is the case, given that both have the issue, that would potentially mean the issue is not the driver itself but is actually Wayland itself, or am I jumping to the wrong conclusion? regards, Steve regards, Steve So, sure, you can raise a BZ. But not sure how long it would take, or how much effort would be put into, getting the capability added. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Automatic mount of external HDD.
On 12Feb2020 22:28, Erik P. Olsen wrote: I have an external 2TB HDD which is defined in /etc/fstab so it is mounted at system boot time. I would like to be able to have it mounted automatically with the same mount point as defined in fstab when it is hot-plugged and unmounted when it is later disconnected. Is that possible and if so how to do it? There are tools like usbmount which mount drives as they are plugged in. They have their own mount area. You could write a script which uses lsblk (I like "lsblk -bfr") to watch for drives and act on them (eg to just go "mount mountpoint" when you see that device show up). And I think some GUI desktops run their _own_ automount stuff, which will race with you. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Automatic mount of external HDD.
I have an external 2TB HDD which is defined in /etc/fstab so it is mounted at system boot time. I would like to be able to have it mounted automatically with the same mount point as defined in fstab when it is hot-plugged and unmounted when it is later disconnected. Is that possible and if so how to do it? Thanks in advance. -- Erik P. Olsen - Copenhagen, Denmark Fedora 31/64 bit Linux xfce Claws-Mail POP3 Gramps 5.1.1 Bacula 9.4.4 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: DVD Backup
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 22:13:29 -0500 Kevin Becker wrote: > I haven't had the need to copy a DVD in over a decade and the last > time I did it was probably under OS X, possibly even Windows, using > some commercial tool. But recently my stepfather came to me with a > DVD that had been made from a home video that he wanted several > copies of. It is not copy protected in any way, just a plain DVD > video disk. I have an external USB DVD drive which seems to work > okay, but honestly I barely use it for anything. I tried using > Brasero but it seems to read the disk quickly at first and then > become progressively slower and slower until it gets to 99% and then > stays there for hours and hours. I used the dvdbackup command line > program and was able to make a backup and burn it with growisofs with > no problem so I'm not sure why Brasero didn't work. Does anyone have > any recommendation for a simple GUI DVD copying tool? I'm not > worried about breaking copy protection here. I'm fine with the > command line tools but I do this so infrequently that it would be > nice to have a GUI app that doesn't require me to look up notes or > search the internet for instructions to refresh my memory the next > time I want to do this in 2036. > > Like you, I haven't burned a DVD in a while, but I used the program k3b to do so the last time I did, and it worked fine. I have brasero installed as well, so next time I'll give it a try to see if it will work for me. I wonder if your external drive had a power issue; mine is internal. Or, maybe the lense needs cleaning with some isopropyl alcohol, using a q-tip or cotton ball. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 13:10 -0600, Dave Ulrick wrote: > In addition to one PC that mounted a green USB drive under /var I > had several other PCs that mounted a NAS under /var. That NAS is > intended to store backup files so its hard drive is configured to > spin down after 10 idle minutes. > > In view of these findings, I've reconfigured my PCs to mount the > backups directory under /mnt instead of /var. So far since doing so > I've not noticed any spin-up delays related to a USB hard drive or > the backup NAS. > > Thanks, Tim! Glad to help, even if I'm not quite sure how I steered things in the right way. ;-) It was one of those "in the back of my mind" ideas. Gnome (or Gnome-based) things, will put temporary auto-mounting things (flash drives, etc) inside of /var/run/, then give you an apparently separate mount point. You'll get a desktop icon for it, and no immediate indication that it's accessed through /var/run. I'm not sure if the same applies to KDE. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1062.12.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 4 23:02:59 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
I am having a problem switching users
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Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
On 12Feb2020 19:09, Roger Heflin wrote:
It may be the pwd command doing it. It works like this:
if something runs pwd when its cwd is under say /var/log then pwd goes
through all files in /var/log until it finds .. then it goes up a
directory and repeats, until it gets to /.
getcwd() is a system call on Linux since 2.1.92. It doesn't need to
perform the expensive ".. then stat everything for a match" loop.
[... snip arranging mounts to be in more out-of-the-way places ...]
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dave Ulrick
wrote:
I ran 'strace' on 'ls' but nothing interesting showed up. Then, I ran
'strace' on 'bash'. I ran 'ls' from 'bash' and then exited. The strace
log shows two connect()s to a socket file under /var/run:
socket(AF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC|SOCK_NONBLOCK, 0) = 3
connect(3, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="/var/run/nscd/socket"}, 110) =
-1 ENOEN
T (No such file or directory)
close(3)
/var/run/nscd/socket appears to be related to the 'nscd' DNS cache which
I am not running on my PCs.
Aye.
So, it looks likely that reading /var/run caused the contents of /var to
be read. This would have triggered a wakeup of the device hosting
/var/backups which would be a cause of its hard drive spinning up.
This would surprise me; accessing a direct name doesn't require stating
everything adjacent.
You can test this:
- wait for the drive to spin down
- type ">>var/run/nscd/socket" and preess (do NOT filecomplete
that path, your shell will do unwanted filesystem access)
- see if/when the drive spins up
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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Re: DVD Backup
On 12Feb2020 22:13, Kevin Becker wrote: I haven't had the need to copy a DVD in over a decade and the last time I did it was probably under OS X, possibly even Windows, using some commercial tool. But recently my stepfather came to me with a DVD that had been made from a home video that he wanted several copies of. It is not copy protected in any way, just a plain DVD video disk. I have an external USB DVD drive which seems to work okay, but honestly I barely use it for anything. I tried using Brasero but it seems to read the disk quickly at first and then become progressively slower and slower until it gets to 99% and then stays there for hours and hours. I used the dvdbackup command line program and was able to make a backup and burn it with growisofs with no problem so I'm not sure why Brasero didn't work. Does anyone have any recommendation for a simple GUI DVD copying tool? I'm not worried about breaking copy protection here. I'm fine with the command line tools but I do this so infrequently that it would be nice to have a GUI app that doesn't require me to look up notes or search the internet for instructions to refresh my memory the next time I want to do this in 2036. Why not just dd it? DVDs have a block size of 2048 bytes, BTW, so any multiple of that should be efficient, eg: dd if=/dev/the-dvd-device of=my-dvd-image.iso bs=64k progress=status That should get you a pretty direct indication of the copy speed. And then you can dd the ISO onto another DVD, or mount it or whatever. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
It may be the pwd command doing it. It works like this:
if something runs pwd when its cwd is under say /var/log then pwd goes
through all files in /var/log until it finds .. then it goes up a
directory and repeats, until it gets to /.
Assuming that is the case your solution would be expected to work, if
you put it under /mnt/backups then any other pwd anywhere under mnt
may also cause the spinup. On nfs mounts an nfs mount that is hanging
of say /mnt/host1 can hang everything else in /mnt even coming from
other responding hosts. the trick there is to
/mnt/host1/host1mntpoint and put each separate host in a separate top
level directory to isolate them from each other. You may not need to
do that so long as you don't have other things in /mnt being used that
may cause a pwd.
if you run ls -l /proc/*/cwd | more it will show you everything
running's cwd. I see /var/spool/at (atd process) with that as a home
dir, so atd doing a pwd would cause a spinup.
I don't actively use atd for anything and strace does not show atd
doing anything on my machine. If you use atd then it may be what is
doing it. nfs's statd also its cwd under var and is used on nfs
servers.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dave Ulrick wrote:
>
> On 2/12/20 7:53 AM, Dave Ulrick wrote:
> > Interesting thought. I can envision how a lookup for /var/xyz could
> > cause everything under /var to be looked up, and I can see how
> > /var/cache or /var/run would be frequently read. I'll try mounting a
> > green USB drive's file system at a third-level directory (e.g.,
> > /var/backups/0) or under a less popular directory (e.g., /mnt/backups)
> > and see if that behaves any differently.
>
> I ran 'strace' on 'ls' but nothing interesting showed up. Then, I ran
> 'strace' on 'bash'. I ran 'ls' from 'bash' and then exited. The strace
> log shows two connect()s to a socket file under /var/run:
>
> socket(AF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC|SOCK_NONBLOCK, 0) = 3
> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="/var/run/nscd/socket"}, 110) =
> -1 ENOEN
> T (No such file or directory)
> close(3)
>
> /var/run/nscd/socket appears to be related to the 'nscd' DNS cache which
> I am not running on my PCs.
>
> So, it looks likely that reading /var/run caused the contents of /var to
> be read. This would have triggered a wakeup of the device hosting
> /var/backups which would be a cause of its hard drive spinning up.
>
> In addition to one PC that mounted a green USB drive under /var I had
> several other PCs that mounted a NAS under /var. That NAS is intended to
> store backup files so its hard drive is configured to spin down after 10
> idle minutes.
>
> In view of these findings, I've reconfigured my PCs to mount the backups
> directory under /mnt instead of /var. So far since doing so I've not
> noticed any spin-up delays related to a USB hard drive or the backup NAS.
>
> Thanks, Tim!
>
> Dave
>
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Re: Automatic mount of external HDD.
Il 12/02/20 22:28, Erik P. Olsen ha scritto:
I have an external 2TB HDD which is defined in /etc/fstab so it is mounted at
system boot
time. I would like to be able to have it mounted automatically with the same
mount point
as defined in fstab when it is hot-plugged and unmounted when it is later
disconnected.
Is that possible and if so how to do it?
Thanks in advance.
my 2c
if you use a Workstation version:
- create e file under "/etc/udev/rules.d" (eg. 99-udisks.rules) insert the
following line
ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto", ENV{UDISKS_FILESYSTEM_SHARED}="1"
the disk will be mounted under /media and not under /run/user/
/media/
- as root: copy the content of /usr/lib/systemd/system/tmp.mount in
/usr/lib/systemd/system/media.mount (edit and correct all occurrance of /tmp
in /media)
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DVD Backup
I haven't had the need to copy a DVD in over a decade and the last time I did it was probably under OS X, possibly even Windows, using some commercial tool. But recently my stepfather came to me with a DVD that had been made from a home video that he wanted several copies of. It is not copy protected in any way, just a plain DVD video disk. I have an external USB DVD drive which seems to work okay, but honestly I barely use it for anything. I tried using Brasero but it seems to read the disk quickly at first and then become progressively slower and slower until it gets to 99% and then stays there for hours and hours. I used the dvdbackup command line program and was able to make a backup and burn it with growisofs with no problem so I'm not sure why Brasero didn't work. Does anyone have any recommendation for a simple GUI DVD copying tool? I'm not worried about breaking copy protection here. I'm fine with the command line tools but I do this so infrequently that it would be nice to have a GUI app that doesn't require me to look up notes or search the internet for instructions to refresh my memory the next time I want to do this in 2036. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
On 2/12/20 7:09 PM, Roger Heflin wrote: It may be the pwd command doing it. It works like this: if something runs pwd when its cwd is under say /var/log then pwd goes through all files in /var/log until it finds .. then it goes up a directory and repeats, until it gets to /. That makes sense. Just occurred to me: a typical shell prompt displays the cwd, so 'pwd' or something like it must get run just before a shell prompt is displayed. This likely explains why I'd sometimes experience the spin-up delay after running a command: it wasn't the command itself necessarily that triggered the spin-up but the pwd afterwards. Assuming that is the case your solution would be expected to work, It seemed to work earlier today when I fired up the green USB hard drive in that I experienced no spin-up delays, but... if you put it under /mnt/backups then any other pwd anywhere under mnt may also cause the spinup. On nfs mounts an nfs mount that is hanging of say /mnt/host1 can hang everything else in /mnt even coming from other responding hosts. the trick there is to /mnt/host1/host1mntpoint and put each separate host in a separate top level directory to isolate them from each other. You may not need to do that so long as you don't have other things in /mnt being used that may cause a pwd. That's a great idea. I've gone ahead and implemented it on my PCs. if you run ls -l /proc/*/cwd | more it will show you everything running's cwd. I see /var/spool/at (atd process) with that as a home dir, so atd doing a pwd would cause a spinup. I don't actively use atd for anything and strace does not show atd doing anything on my machine. If you use atd then it may be what is doing it. nfs's statd also its cwd under var and is used on nfs servers. There certainly are a lot of processes on my PC running cwd. Interesting... Thanks! Dave ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unnecessary hard drive spin-ups
On 2/12/20 7:00 PM, Tim via users wrote: Gnome (or Gnome-based) things, will put temporary auto-mounting things (flash drives, etc) inside of /var/run/, then give you an apparently separate mount point. You'll get a desktop icon for it, and no immediate indication that it's accessed through /var/run. Actually, the mount point is /run/media//. /var/run is a symlink to /run. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: DVD Backup
On 2/12/20 7:13 PM, Kevin Becker wrote: Does anyone have any recommendation for a simple GUI DVD copying tool? I'm not worried about breaking copy protection here. I'm fine with the command line tools but I do this so infrequently that it would be nice to have a GUI app that doesn't require me to look up notes or search the internet for instructions to refresh my memory the next time I want to do this in 2036. I've just used "vobcopy" in the past for the rare occasions that I've needed it. There was a program called k9copy that I had used way back, but it seems to be retired now. The last successful build was: http://koji.rpmfusion.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=8011 No guarantees that it will even run with a current release. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
