Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-23 Thread Fernando Cassia 
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Scooter  wrote:

> I'm a bit confused.
>

It shows. Some comments below each of your statements


> What is FOSS
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software


> & FUD
>
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt


> and why would any of us think "Open Office is pretty much only a memory"
> (per Mr Cassia).?
>

I didnt say that. I quoted an article. And included the URL so that others
could read it in its entirety.

>How and why is Mr Cassia in this List group If he detests AOO so much

Please try to understand what you read before you accuse someone of
something. The purpose of my e-mail was to alert the group of yet another
article smearing Apache Open Office. I do support AOO, I use it daily.

The rest of my message, which you failed to grasp, tried to highlight that
the arguments used by some in the LO camp against AOO are the same used by
MariaDB against MySQL, in a nutshell that:

-that a corporation being the main contributor to an open source project is
in itself "a bad thing"
-that dual licensing is bad (not used against AOO but was used against Sun
OpenOffice.org before, and Oracle after that)
-that AOO contributors were "mostly IBMers" - MDB accuses MySQL of being
developed "mostly by Oracle employees"
-that  "forking in the name of community" gives better results overall for
the health of a project rather than engaging with the upstream corporate
sponsor of it.

I personally think -like Canonical's Shutleworth-
1. that the OO.o-LO fork was an unfortunate event
2. That the split hurt both projects more than it helped
3. That the reasons invoked for the split were magnified, and included a
large dose of FUD (I guess you know what it means by now)
4. That part of the IT press played a role in magnifying Fear, Uncertainty
and Doubt, hence creating a "self fulfilling prophecy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

Those were my thoughts. If high-level historical analysis of events
confuses you, please, dont answer.

;-)

Best
FC
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Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-23 Thread Kay Schenk 
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Urmas  wrote:

> "Fernando Cassia":
>
> Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD
> campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics
> are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.
>
> Please, just admit Apache OO is dead, and will never be relevant again
> unless some company will grease some minister in some 3rd world government
> to build that state ECM system on it. For average customer it is already
> obsoleted by LO.
>
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Maybe some of you missed this recent Bossie award (2013/09/07)  to Apache
OpenOffice...

http://www.infoworld.com/slideshow/119867/bossie-awards-2013-the-best-open-source-desktop-and-mobile-software-226979#slide8

Dead? I think not. :)

Keeping alive and lively!


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Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-22 Thread TN Patriot 
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:31:54 +0700
"Urmas"  wrote:

> "Fernando Cassia":
> 
> Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD
> campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics
> are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.
> 
> Please, just admit Apache OO is dead, and will never be relevant again 
> unless some company will grease some minister in some 3rd world government 
> to build that state ECM system on it. For average customer it is already 
> obsoleted by LO.
> 

  You've never been accused of being intelligent, right?


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Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-22 Thread Urmas 

"Fernando Cassia":

Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD
campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics
are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.

Please, just admit Apache OO is dead, and will never be relevant again 
unless some company will grease some minister in some 3rd world government 
to build that state ECM system on it. For average customer it is already 
obsoleted by LO.




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Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-18 Thread BRM 
As a predominately Linux user of AOO, I can say that it is generally very good 
- I think I may have had a couple crashes with the 4.0 version, but I honestly 
can't remember.
I much prefer AOO over LO.  The only place I have had issues with the 
AndroOpenOffice port for Android which while coming along is still a ways from 
being production quality, but it's not maintained at all with this community - 
the developer, I'm told, has expressly decided not to.

That said, AOO on Linux is a bit more problematic mainly because it does not 
enjoy the same level of distribution integration that LO has.
I use KDE; AOO only provides integration for GNOME. So I'm left somewhat stuck 
for the time being, until I get around to doing the integration myself if it 
doesn't happen in the community first.
If there integration were there, then I think it's be a first class experience 
just like on Windows.


Ben




 From: Scooter 
To: users@openoffice.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS 
Land)
 

Good Morning Group,

I'm a bit confused. What is FOSS & FUD and why would any of us think 
"Open Office is pretty much only a memory" (per Mr Cassia).? I join Mr. 
Davis' opinion. I tried LibreOffice (LO) not knowing about Apache Open 
Office (AOO), and didn't like LO. It was too different from OO 3.3.
If Mr Cassia is literally referring to the Open Office of Oracle then he 
is correct, but LO ain't it.

How and why is Mr Cassia in this List group If he detests AOO so much. I 
can't judge his statements about the Linux version, I am a happy Win7 
user of AOO, especially since it went into Apache's main level of support.

I read the articles included in Mr Cassia's email. I didn't understand , 
since most of it referred to SQL, MySQL, Maria/DB and not to LibreOffice 
The websites were geared to Linux, maybe that's why this diatribe makes 
no sense to me.

Take Care.
Scooter
College Park, MD USA

Chuck Davis wrote on 9/18/2013 5:58 AM:
> LibreOffice is a pile of crapware in my experience.  Q.C. seems to be
> missing in action!  OpenOffice has always done what I need to get done
> without irritating the daylights out of me.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
>
>>   (and MySQL too, and probably the same that would like for Oracle's
>> investments in FOSS to end).
>>
>> "LibreOffice, as you know, is now the defacto office suite of choice
>> among Linux users and is rapidly gaining traction in the Windows world
>> as well. "
>> "OpenOffice is pretty much only a memory"
>>
>> http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/oracle-losing-its-mysql-grip-to-mariadb-130916110509.html
>>
>> Citebite archive: http://pages.citebite.com/l2e1g0y0r4kpb
>>
>> Apparently the original story has been pulled from FOSSFORCE.COM, but
>> not before it was widely spread around...
>>
>> This is the same scenario as when Googles move from MySQL to MDB is
>> mirrored everywhere, yet Mozilla's decision, on technical merits to
>> move from MDB to MySQL 5.6 gets no mention whatsoever.
>> https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372319624043716608
>> https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372099540624478208
>>
>> Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD
>> campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics
>> are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.
>>
>> Some of the lies stick and become common, widespread truths repeated
>> without fact-checking. The rest is herd behaviour and copy-paste IT
>> journalism. Case in point:http://tinyurl.com/muktware-liars vs reality
>> http://tinyurl.com/lsvya6f
>>
>> Or: http://pages.citebite.com/c2u1y0m0q5vti vs:reality:
>> https://twitter.com/myfear/status/380190532552884225
>>
>> This isnt healthy. It needs to stop.
>>
>> In the wise words of Shuttleworth: http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder
>>
>> Is the Evil Empire of Redmondia behind this campaign to portray IBMers
>> as inept (Rob Weir has mentioned some of the FUD coming from the ither
>> side wrt Sidebar and IBMs contributions) and Oracle as evil, when both
>> firms are investing a lot in FOSS development (in the case of Oracle,
>> investing a lot in Linux kernel engineers, OpenJDK, Netbeans,
>> Glassfish, releasing JavaFX 2.0 under a GPL license, Virtualbox,
>> etc..) Or is someone else behind this persistent FUD? Some firm that
>> perhaps wants its web services to replace everything else?
>>
>> Thinking aloud
>&

RE: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-18 Thread Maurice Howe 
FOSS usually means Free and Open Source Software.
FUD usually means Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (or Disinformation). 

Maurice Howe (a happy AOO user)

-Original Message-
From: Scooter [mailto:scoo...@scootersdesk.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:43 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in
FOSS Land)

Good Morning Group,

I'm a bit confused. What is FOSS & FUD and why would any of us think "Open
Office is pretty much only a memory" (per Mr Cassia).? I join Mr. 
Davis' opinion. I tried LibreOffice (LO) not knowing about Apache Open
Office (AOO), and didn't like LO. It was too different from OO 3.3.
If Mr Cassia is literally referring to the Open Office of Oracle then he is
correct, but LO ain't it.

How and why is Mr Cassia in this List group If he detests AOO so much. I
can't judge his statements about the Linux version, I am a happy Win7 user
of AOO, especially since it went into Apache's main level of support.

I read the articles included in Mr Cassia's email. I didn't understand ,
since most of it referred to SQL, MySQL, Maria/DB and not to LibreOffice The
websites were geared to Linux, maybe that's why this diatribe makes no sense
to me.

Take Care.
Scooter
College Park, MD USA

Chuck Davis wrote on 9/18/2013 5:58 AM:
> LibreOffice is a pile of crapware in my experience.  Q.C. seems to be 
> missing in action!  OpenOffice has always done what I need to get done 
> without irritating the daylights out of me.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Fernando Cassia 
wrote:
>
>>   (and MySQL too, and probably the same that would like for Oracle's 
>> investments in FOSS to end).
>>
>> "LibreOffice, as you know, is now the defacto office suite of choice 
>> among Linux users and is rapidly gaining traction in the Windows 
>> world as well. "
>> "OpenOffice is pretty much only a memory"
>>
>> http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/oracle-losing-its-mysql-grip-to-mari
>> adb-130916110509.html
>>
>> Citebite archive: http://pages.citebite.com/l2e1g0y0r4kpb
>>
>> Apparently the original story has been pulled from FOSSFORCE.COM, but 
>> not before it was widely spread around...
>>
>> This is the same scenario as when Googles move from MySQL to MDB is 
>> mirrored everywhere, yet Mozilla's decision, on technical merits to 
>> move from MDB to MySQL 5.6 gets no mention whatsoever.
>> https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372319624043716608
>> https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372099540624478208
>>
>> Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD 
>> campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics 
>> are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.
>>
>> Some of the lies stick and become common, widespread truths repeated 
>> without fact-checking. The rest is herd behaviour and copy-paste IT 
>> journalism. Case in point:http://tinyurl.com/muktware-liars vs 
>> reality http://tinyurl.com/lsvya6f
>>
>> Or: http://pages.citebite.com/c2u1y0m0q5vti vs:reality:
>> https://twitter.com/myfear/status/380190532552884225
>>
>> This isnt healthy. It needs to stop.
>>
>> In the wise words of Shuttleworth: 
>> http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder
>>
>> Is the Evil Empire of Redmondia behind this campaign to portray 
>> IBMers as inept (Rob Weir has mentioned some of the FUD coming from 
>> the ither side wrt Sidebar and IBMs contributions) and Oracle as 
>> evil, when both firms are investing a lot in FOSS development (in the 
>> case of Oracle, investing a lot in Linux kernel engineers, OpenJDK, 
>> Netbeans, Glassfish, releasing JavaFX 2.0 under a GPL license, 
>> Virtualbox,
>> etc..) Or is someone else behind this persistent FUD? Some firm that 
>> perhaps wants its web services to replace everything else?
>>
>> Thinking aloud
>> FC
>>
>> --
>> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a 
>> revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad 
>> se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario
>> - George Orwel
>>
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Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-18 Thread Drew Jensen 
Hi Scooter,

Actually Fernando was reporting on what others had said, not stating his
opinion. Just to clear that up for you.

I hope you continue to enjoy your experience with AOO.

//drew


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Scooter  wrote:

> Good Morning Group,
>
> I'm a bit confused. What is FOSS & FUD and why would any of us think "Open
> Office is pretty much only a memory" (per Mr Cassia).? I join Mr. Davis'
> opinion. I tried LibreOffice (LO) not knowing about Apache Open Office
> (AOO), and didn't like LO. It was too different from OO 3.3.
> If Mr Cassia is literally referring to the Open Office of Oracle then he
> is correct, but LO ain't it.
>
> How and why is Mr Cassia in this List group If he detests AOO so much. I
> can't judge his statements about the Linux version, I am a happy Win7 user
> of AOO, especially since it went into Apache's main level of support.
>
> I read the articles included in Mr Cassia's email. I didn't understand ,
> since most of it referred to SQL, MySQL, Maria/DB and not to LibreOffice
> The websites were geared to Linux, maybe that's why this diatribe makes no
> sense to me.
>
> Take Care.
> Scooter
> College Park, MD USA
>
> Chuck Davis wrote on 9/18/2013 5:58 AM:
>
>  LibreOffice is a pile of crapware in my experience.  Q.C. seems to be
>> missing in action!  OpenOffice has always done what I need to get done
>> without irritating the daylights out of me.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Fernando Cassia 
>> wrote:
>>
>>(and MySQL too, and probably the same that would like for Oracle's
>>> investments in FOSS to end).
>>>
>>> "LibreOffice, as you know, is now the defacto office suite of choice
>>> among Linux users and is rapidly gaining traction in the Windows world
>>> as well. "
>>> "OpenOffice is pretty much only a memory"
>>>
>>> http://www.linuxtoday.com/**upload/oracle-losing-its-**
>>> mysql-grip-to-mariadb-**130916110509.html
>>>
>>> Citebite archive: 
>>> http://pages.citebite.com/**l2e1g0y0r4kpb
>>>
>>> Apparently the original story has been pulled from FOSSFORCE.COM, but
>>> not before it was widely spread around...
>>>
>>> This is the same scenario as when Googles move from MySQL to MDB is
>>> mirrored everywhere, yet Mozilla's decision, on technical merits to
>>> move from MDB to MySQL 5.6 gets no mention whatsoever.
>>> https://twitter.com/sheeri/**status/372319624043716608
>>> https://twitter.com/sheeri/**status/372099540624478208
>>>
>>> Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD
>>> campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics
>>> are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.
>>>
>>> Some of the lies stick and become common, widespread truths repeated
>>> without fact-checking. The rest is herd behaviour and copy-paste IT
>>> journalism. Case in 
>>> point:http://tinyurl.com/**muktware-liarsvs
>>>  reality
>>> http://tinyurl.com/lsvya6f
>>>
>>> Or: 
>>> http://pages.citebite.com/**c2u1y0m0q5vtivs:reality:
>>> https://twitter.com/myfear/**status/380190532552884225
>>>
>>> This isnt healthy. It needs to stop.
>>>
>>> In the wise words of Shuttleworth: http://pages.citebite.com/**
>>> e7v0f3m9sder 
>>>
>>> Is the Evil Empire of Redmondia behind this campaign to portray IBMers
>>> as inept (Rob Weir has mentioned some of the FUD coming from the ither
>>> side wrt Sidebar and IBMs contributions) and Oracle as evil, when both
>>> firms are investing a lot in FOSS development (in the case of Oracle,
>>> investing a lot in Linux kernel engineers, OpenJDK, Netbeans,
>>> Glassfish, releasing JavaFX 2.0 under a GPL license, Virtualbox,
>>> etc..) Or is someone else behind this persistent FUD? Some firm that
>>> perhaps wants its web services to replace everything else?
>>>
>>> Thinking aloud
>>> FC
>>>
>>> --
>>> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
>>> revolutionary act
>>> Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
>>> Acto Revolucionario
>>> - George Orwel
>>>
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Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-18 Thread Scooter 

Good Morning Group,

I'm a bit confused. What is FOSS & FUD and why would any of us think 
"Open Office is pretty much only a memory" (per Mr Cassia).? I join Mr. 
Davis' opinion. I tried LibreOffice (LO) not knowing about Apache Open 
Office (AOO), and didn't like LO. It was too different from OO 3.3.
If Mr Cassia is literally referring to the Open Office of Oracle then he 
is correct, but LO ain't it.


How and why is Mr Cassia in this List group If he detests AOO so much. I 
can't judge his statements about the Linux version, I am a happy Win7 
user of AOO, especially since it went into Apache's main level of support.


I read the articles included in Mr Cassia's email. I didn't understand , 
since most of it referred to SQL, MySQL, Maria/DB and not to LibreOffice 
The websites were geared to Linux, maybe that's why this diatribe makes 
no sense to me.


Take Care.
Scooter
College Park, MD USA

Chuck Davis wrote on 9/18/2013 5:58 AM:

LibreOffice is a pile of crapware in my experience.  Q.C. seems to be
missing in action!  OpenOffice has always done what I need to get done
without irritating the daylights out of me.


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:


  (and MySQL too, and probably the same that would like for Oracle's
investments in FOSS to end).

"LibreOffice, as you know, is now the defacto office suite of choice
among Linux users and is rapidly gaining traction in the Windows world
as well. "
"OpenOffice is pretty much only a memory"

http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/oracle-losing-its-mysql-grip-to-mariadb-130916110509.html

Citebite archive: http://pages.citebite.com/l2e1g0y0r4kpb

Apparently the original story has been pulled from FOSSFORCE.COM, but
not before it was widely spread around...

This is the same scenario as when Googles move from MySQL to MDB is
mirrored everywhere, yet Mozilla's decision, on technical merits to
move from MDB to MySQL 5.6 gets no mention whatsoever.
https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372319624043716608
https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372099540624478208

Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD
campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics
are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.

Some of the lies stick and become common, widespread truths repeated
without fact-checking. The rest is herd behaviour and copy-paste IT
journalism. Case in point:http://tinyurl.com/muktware-liars vs reality
http://tinyurl.com/lsvya6f

Or: http://pages.citebite.com/c2u1y0m0q5vti vs:reality:
https://twitter.com/myfear/status/380190532552884225

This isnt healthy. It needs to stop.

In the wise words of Shuttleworth: http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder

Is the Evil Empire of Redmondia behind this campaign to portray IBMers
as inept (Rob Weir has mentioned some of the FUD coming from the ither
side wrt Sidebar and IBMs contributions) and Oracle as evil, when both
firms are investing a lot in FOSS development (in the case of Oracle,
investing a lot in Linux kernel engineers, OpenJDK, Netbeans,
Glassfish, releasing JavaFX 2.0 under a GPL license, Virtualbox,
etc..) Or is someone else behind this persistent FUD? Some firm that
perhaps wants its web services to replace everything else?

Thinking aloud
FC

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revolutionary act
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Acto Revolucionario
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Re: Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-18 Thread Chuck Davis 
LibreOffice is a pile of crapware in my experience.  Q.C. seems to be
missing in action!  OpenOffice has always done what I need to get done
without irritating the daylights out of me.


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

>  (and MySQL too, and probably the same that would like for Oracle's
> investments in FOSS to end).
>
> "LibreOffice, as you know, is now the defacto office suite of choice
> among Linux users and is rapidly gaining traction in the Windows world
> as well. "
> "OpenOffice is pretty much only a memory"
>
> http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/oracle-losing-its-mysql-grip-to-mariadb-130916110509.html
>
> Citebite archive: http://pages.citebite.com/l2e1g0y0r4kpb
>
> Apparently the original story has been pulled from FOSSFORCE.COM, but
> not before it was widely spread around...
>
> This is the same scenario as when Googles move from MySQL to MDB is
> mirrored everywhere, yet Mozilla's decision, on technical merits to
> move from MDB to MySQL 5.6 gets no mention whatsoever.
> https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372319624043716608
> https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372099540624478208
>
> Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD
> campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics
> are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.
>
> Some of the lies stick and become common, widespread truths repeated
> without fact-checking. The rest is herd behaviour and copy-paste IT
> journalism. Case in point:http://tinyurl.com/muktware-liars vs reality
> http://tinyurl.com/lsvya6f
>
> Or: http://pages.citebite.com/c2u1y0m0q5vti vs:reality:
> https://twitter.com/myfear/status/380190532552884225
>
> This isnt healthy. It needs to stop.
>
> In the wise words of Shuttleworth: http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder
>
> Is the Evil Empire of Redmondia behind this campaign to portray IBMers
> as inept (Rob Weir has mentioned some of the FUD coming from the ither
> side wrt Sidebar and IBMs contributions) and Oracle as evil, when both
> firms are investing a lot in FOSS development (in the case of Oracle,
> investing a lot in Linux kernel engineers, OpenJDK, Netbeans,
> Glassfish, releasing JavaFX 2.0 under a GPL license, Virtualbox,
> etc..) Or is someone else behind this persistent FUD? Some firm that
> perhaps wants its web services to replace everything else?
>
> Thinking aloud
> FC
>
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
> Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
> Acto Revolucionario
> - George Orwel
>
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Someone is hell bent on seeing AOO go away... (Rampant FUD in FOSS Land)

2013-09-17 Thread Fernando Cassia 
 (and MySQL too, and probably the same that would like for Oracle's
investments in FOSS to end).

"LibreOffice, as you know, is now the defacto office suite of choice
among Linux users and is rapidly gaining traction in the Windows world
as well. "
"OpenOffice is pretty much only a memory"
http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/oracle-losing-its-mysql-grip-to-mariadb-130916110509.html

Citebite archive: http://pages.citebite.com/l2e1g0y0r4kpb

Apparently the original story has been pulled from FOSSFORCE.COM, but
not before it was widely spread around...

This is the same scenario as when Googles move from MySQL to MDB is
mirrored everywhere, yet Mozilla's decision, on technical merits to
move from MDB to MySQL 5.6 gets no mention whatsoever.
https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372319624043716608
https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/372099540624478208

Of course, truth is just a small peeble in the shoes of a good FUD
campaign... doesnt stop them. Apache OpenOffice or MySQL: the tactics
are the same, lie,lie, and lie again.

Some of the lies stick and become common, widespread truths repeated
without fact-checking. The rest is herd behaviour and copy-paste IT
journalism. Case in point:http://tinyurl.com/muktware-liars vs reality
http://tinyurl.com/lsvya6f

Or: http://pages.citebite.com/c2u1y0m0q5vti vs:reality:
https://twitter.com/myfear/status/380190532552884225

This isnt healthy. It needs to stop.

In the wise words of Shuttleworth: http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder

Is the Evil Empire of Redmondia behind this campaign to portray IBMers
as inept (Rob Weir has mentioned some of the FUD coming from the ither
side wrt Sidebar and IBMs contributions) and Oracle as evil, when both
firms are investing a lot in FOSS development (in the case of Oracle,
investing a lot in Linux kernel engineers, OpenJDK, Netbeans,
Glassfish, releasing JavaFX 2.0 under a GPL license, Virtualbox,
etc..) Or is someone else behind this persistent FUD? Some firm that
perhaps wants its web services to replace everything else?

Thinking aloud
FC

-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwel

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