Re: T5: Escaping espansions

2007-10-16 Thread Hans Jörg Hessmann
Using outputRaw in combination with literal: did not work. Neither did a
CDATA section.

I worked around that problem by using a properties file for the text.

Hans Joerg

SergeEby wrote:
 Hi,

 Did you try the literal: binding prefix?

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 /Serge


 Hans Jörg Hessmann wrote:
   
 Hi,

 I'd like to show a static text containing ${something} on a page. Is
 there a way to escape the ${?

 Thanks,
 Hans Joerg Hessmann

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T5: Escaping espansions

2007-10-12 Thread Hans Jörg Hessmann
Hi,

I'd like to show a static text containing ${something} on a page. Is
there a way to escape the ${?

Thanks,
Hans Joerg Hessmann

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Re: Recursion of components

2007-08-18 Thread Hans Jörg Hessmann
I couldn't believe it, so I made an example. And I had to discover that
it is true:

org.apache.tapestry.ioc.internal.util.TapestryException
The template for component example.recursive.components.Node is
recursive (contains another direct or indirect reference to component
example.recursive.components.Node). This is not supported (components
may not contain themselves).

I consider this a bug that has to do with the alpha state of T5.
Otherwise I have doubts on the usefulness of T5 at all.


Todd Orr wrote:
 I'm also trying to perform this type of recursive structure. I don't
 agree that this makes anything simpler. Recursion is a powerful and
 concise tool for these situations. I will say that it is often abused,
 but this is a perfect use case. A recursive solution to this problem
 is far simpler and maybe more correct than this iterative approach.

 First off, the proposed solution requires complicated logic. Fine,
 it's not rocket science, but the recursive alternative (if there was
 one in tap) is far easier to read and understand. From a
 tech-management point of view the simplicity of the code is a major
 factor in its long term maintainability as well as its bugginess.

 Secondly, the proposed solution requires adding raw HTML output to
 code. This may be a more esoteric and arguable point, but Tapestry
 excels in having a clear and easy to use separation between the
 view/presentation and the logic components of the application's
 construction. Again, with regards to maintainability, it is twice as
 hard to maintain code if the concerns are spread throughout
 conceptually separate pieces of code.

 Third, this approach makes it impossible for any node in the tree to
 contain any non-trivial nested components. I see that you can create
 links...wow. Kinda limiting if you ask me. This limits the usefulness
 and extendability of the code. If more complex functionality is
 required (lets say by a major client or some other critical business
 need) within this pseudo-recursive implementation it might force the
 developers to completely switch out frameworks to one more suitable
 for the job. This is a huge risk from a business perspective.

 While I think these points are painful enough on their own, it does
 raise some questions about the framework's usefulness in specific
 situations. My main concern is in relation to CMS features. Many
 applications require support for some level of features that would be
 considered CMS functionality. This static structure imposed makes
 creating dynamic sites, well, painful. When you are attempting to
 build an application that must adapt to known types of runtime or
 user-configuration driven alterations that have many variants during
 runtime (eg. depth of a tree, etc.) the static structure is limiting.

 Tapestry is a great framework. However, the intention of the static
 structure, while clearly advantageous in many respects, limits the use
 case coverage for the framework at worst and makes certain otherwise
 easy tasks very difficult at best.

 Perhaps the rules for the static structure could be allowed to bend
 from time to time as a nod to those of us that do require greater
 flexibility. I'm sure this is easier suggested than done, but what are
 the options?

 On 7/17/07, Francois Armand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Dmitry Sidorenko wrote:
 
 Hi all.

   
 Hi,

 
 In my project I need to generate edit form for a class like this:

 class Section{
  ListSection subSectionList;
  ListField fieldList;
 }
   
   [...]
 
 Probably I'm doing something wrong, maybe my task should be done in
 completely different manner.. Any ideas?
 Is there any way to develop visual editor for such a recursive classes?
   
 I don't know how T4 works, but if it's like in T5, their is no support
 of recursive template/class.
 So, for tree structure, you have to use a non-recursive algorithm (I
 think that in your example, you wish to use a non-recursive preorder
 traversal).
 It's not really natural, but the non-support of recursive structure
 seems to bring a lots of simplification with it.

 You can look at this How To entry :
 http://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5HowToCreateYourOwnComponents


 I wish it would help.

 Francois

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Re: Memory leaks in Tapestry 4.1

2007-08-09 Thread Hans Jörg Hessmann
There is an excellent tool for post-mortem memory analyzation:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/d0eaafd5-6ffd-2910-019c-9007a92b392f.
Just add -XX:+HeapDumpOnOutOfMemoryError to the startup parameters of
your JVM. This will produce a memory dump when your JVM dies because of
an OutOfMemoryError. With the memory analyzer you can see which objects
consumed all the memory and find out the cause for the the garbage
collector not collecting them. (See the corresponding documentation and
the wiki to find out how to do this.)

Todd Orr wrote:
 True enough. I'll get more details from our side. I was merely
 pointing in that direction based on experience.

 On 8/9/07, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Whatever this mysterious issue is that you seem to think exists it'd
 be impossible to fix whatever memory leaks you think you have found
 without knowing about them.

 There is a map that grows as large as the system using it internally
 to javassist of various cached reflection info - but it doesn't leak
 in any way.

 Anyways,  vague comments with no specific versions or specific issues
 that you have faced don't really help anyone.

 On 8/9/07, Todd Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We've run into this problem on a production system. It was a not a
 good situation. One of our developers narrowed down the issue to
 Hivemind. There is some Map that continually grows and grows (I can
 speak to our dev to get more detail). After some research into similar
 posts it became evident that this issue was brought up to HLS, but the
 bug's existence was denied. We've since dropped Tapestry for mission
 critical apps. I'm hoping this is no longer an issue in future
 versions of Tapestry, but time will tell.

 On 8/9/07, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Tapestry 4.1.2 has no memory leaks.  Each and every object created /
 managed is accounted for and known.   I've done a lot of analysis in
 this area lately which is why I'm so sure.

 On 8/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Within one day it rises slowly from 100 MByte to about 1 Gigabyte at 
 night when it crashes due to the limt that was set to the virtual 
 machine. It could be increased - but only with the effect of having an 
 additional day or so before it crashes again.restarting Tomcat is 
 also not a viable solution.

  Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:01:19 +0200
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: Memory leaks in Tapestry 4.1

   
 We have tried both enabling and disabling the cache. The same effect...
 it is only leaking a little bit slower in the other case.

  Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:33:43 +0200
 Von: Kristian Marinkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: Memory leaks in Tapestry 4.1

 
 do you have Tapestry caching deactivated?




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 Well, we did lots of tests with 4.1.2 and
 have yet to observe such memory leaks.

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 Have you ever observed the memory usage for your Tapestry application?

 For example, make a simple HelloWorld Application and load the page
 
 regularly using HTTP_LOAD. Then watch how the memory consumption grows
   
 and
 
 grows  especially after an hour.
   
 Has anyone got a solution how avoid this leakage?


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Re: maven build from source is not working.

2007-07-30 Thread Hans Jörg Hessmann
I remember I had same problem once when I tried to compile some 5.0.5 snapshot
from subversion using maven 2.0.7. I think I solved this by modifiying the
tapestry-project/pom.xml like this:

 dependency
groupIdorg.apache.tapestry/groupId
artifactIdtapestry-test/artifactId
version${project.version}/version
!-- scopetest/scope --
  /dependency

This problem disappeared in the 5.0.6 snapshots. Please try the most current
version from svn.


Hans Jörg Hessmann


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