[VIHUELA] Re: Definitions
Here are a few notes from Esses and Russell that easily at hand to add to Monica's comments. You can get a good taste of Esses' wonderful book(s) at: http://books.google.com/books?id=L_HDx_z2AaIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false and http://books.google.com/books?id=g5H9mXHncccC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false Canarios (danza y baile) Some sources repeat the story that it came from the Canary Islands. Arbeau disagreed and said it derived from a composed masquerade/ballet where costume used colorful, dyed feathers. Some characterize this dance as dignified and courtly, while others claim it to be a light-hearted folk dance. [Russell 1995] Spain conquered Canary Islands in 1496. One Spanish writer said this dance was a graceful type of Saltarello. [Esses 1992] Mariones (baile) Given that marión is a fish (usually sturgeon), the dance may have referred originally to fishermen or sailors. But by the mid-17th c. the dance may have lost any connection to the sea. Snappy rhythms are jubilant and infectious. [Russell 1995] Spanish made a distinction between two major groups of dances Danzas and bailes. Danzas were stately with a minimal amount of hand movement. Bailes (most of them newer than the danzas) were more carefree and used expressive arm and hand gestures, often accompanied by castanets. Beginning in the 17th century, the bailes become more popular while the danzas popularity waned. By the 18th century a number of dances were old standards: españoletas, jacaras, foliás, canarios, and villanos. The trendy new-comers: el amor, baylad caracoles, la chamberga, imposibles, marsellas, and las sombras. [Russell 1995] C.H. Russell: Santiago de Murcia's Códice Saldívar No.4: a Treasury of Secular Guitar Music from Baroque Mexico (Champaign, IL, 1995) M. Esses: Dance and Instrumental Diferencias in Spain During the 17th and Early 18th Centuries, i: History and Background, Music and Dance (New York, 1992) -- R On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Monica Hall wrote: > Briefly these things are dances defined by > > a.the harmonic sequence on which they are based > > b.the metre in which they are played > > The canarios is in a major key, based on the harmonic progession I IV I V > and in 6/8-3/4 time. The name is supposed to reflect the fact that the > dance originated in the Canary Isles. > > The marionas is also in a major key, based on the sequence I V vi IV V > and in triple time with similar hemiola. The origin of the name is a bit > obscure. > > and so on. > > The most weighty tome (actually 3 tomes) on the subject is Maurice Esses > "Dance and instrumental diferencias in Spain during the 17th and early 18th > centuries". > > Monica > > - Original Message - From: "Edward C. Yong" > To: "Vihuela List" > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:27 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Definitions > > >> Hi all! >> >> Could anyone advise where I might find definitions of the terms >> 'Canarios', 'Marionas', and so on? Google is no help :( >> >> Thanks! >> >> Edward Chrysogonus Yong >> edward.y...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > --
[VIHUELA] Re: Definitions
Briefly these things are dances defined by a.the harmonic sequence on which they are based b.the metre in which they are played The canarios is in a major key, based on the harmonic progession I IV I V and in 6/8-3/4 time. The name is supposed to reflect the fact that the dance originated in the Canary Isles. The marionas is also in a major key, based on the sequence I V vi IV V and in triple time with similar hemiola. The origin of the name is a bit obscure. and so on. The most weighty tome (actually 3 tomes) on the subject is Maurice Esses "Dance and instrumental diferencias in Spain during the 17th and early 18th centuries". Monica - Original Message - From: "Edward C. Yong" To: "Vihuela List" Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Definitions Hi all! Could anyone advise where I might find definitions of the terms 'Canarios', 'Marionas', and so on? Google is no help :( Thanks! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Definitions
Sorry... Introducing the term _song form_ is my fault. Pure imprecision... In my work precision of terminology is pathological, so I guess I rebel in other domains. cud __ From: R. Mattes To: Edward C. Yong ; Chris Despopoulos Cc: Vihuela List Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:05 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Definitions On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:35:11 +0800, Edward C. Yong wrote > Hello! > > Well, yes, I know they're specific forms, but it'd be intersting to > know how each is defined - a specific harmonic progression, a > certain rhythm, [WINDOWS-1252?]etca| Hello, you might want to tell us what research _you_ already did. I.E. you might have realized that a "Canario" is a _dance_ form, so you could have googled for "canario dance form" which will instantly point you to the wikipedia article (not too good, as to be expected) as well as to "[1]http://turtelsandtwins.blogspot.de/2011/01/canario-of-renaissance-b aroque.html" which is a pretty good summary and some references to the standard work on such matters (conserning Spain): Dance and Instrumental Diferencias in Spain During the 17th and Early 18th Centuries Maurice Esses Pendragon Press, 1992 That book is a must if you want to perform spanish guitar music. The comentary book on Codex Saldivar has a section on Canarios as well and I can't imagine that the New Grove Dictionary doesn't have an entry. THT Ralf Mattes To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://turtelsandtwins.blogspot.de/2011/01/canario-of-renaissance-baroque.html 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Definitions
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:35:11 +0800, Edward C. Yong wrote > Hello! > > Well, yes, I know they're specific forms, but it'd be intersting to > know how each is defined - a specific harmonic progression, a > certain rhythm, [WINDOWS-1252?]etc Hello, you might want to tell us what research _you_ already did. I.E. you might have realized that a "Canario" is a _dance_ form, so you could have googled for "canario dance form" which will instantly point you to the wikipedia article (not too good, as to be expected) as well as to "http://turtelsandtwins.blogspot.de/2011/01/canario-of-renaissance-baroque.html"; which is a pretty good summary and some references to the standard work on such matters (conserning Spain): Dance and Instrumental Diferencias in Spain During the 17th and Early 18th Centuries Maurice Esses Pendragon Press, 1992 That book is a must if you want to perform spanish guitar music. The comentary book on Codex Saldivar has a section on Canarios as well and I can't imagine that the New Grove Dictionary doesn't have an entry. THT Ralf Mattes To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Definitions
Well, turning to Sanz, I can see that a Canarios is based on hemiola, is in a major key, moving from I - IV - I - V. Not being a scholar, I can't say with any statistical certainty whether this is definitive across all of Spain, the New World, and the rest of Europe. But it seems pretty common to me. I'm not trying to be glib. I think there's plenty of interesting material to be found in this question. I suspect there might be papers written about individual song forms, and maybe that's what you should be looking for. For example, I believe the Canarios did transform in the New World, but I can't say exactly how, why, or when. I just know I've heard versions that seem to have an "American" influence. OTOH, for reference Sanz lays out the chord structures for most of the popular hits of the era in his Alfabeto section, complete with simple strumming patterns. So in a way, that really is a dictionary... cud __ From: Edward C. Yong To: Chris Despopoulos Cc: Vihuela List Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 6:35 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Definitions Hello! Well, yes, I know they're specific forms, but it'd be intersting to know how each is defined - a specific harmonic progression, a certain rhythm, etca| Edward Chrysogonus Yong [1]edward.y...@gmail.com On 12 Jan, 2014, at 1:36 AM, Chris Despopoulos <[2]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Well, you could try the Gaspar Sanz manuscripts :) Actually, that's a lame joke, but in a way the definition is the music itself, no? They are specific song forms -- but I'm sure you know that. You might be looking for the history of each one? That would indeed be interesting. > > From: Edward C. Yong <[3]edward.y...@gmail.com> > To: Vihuela List <[4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 10:27 AM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Definitions > > Hi all! > > Could anyone advise where I might find definitions of the terms 'Canarios', 'Marionas', and so on? Google is no help :( > > Thanks! > > Edward Chrysogonus Yong > [5]edward.y...@gmail.com > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- References 1. mailto:edward.y...@gmail.com 2. mailto:despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com 3. mailto:edward.y...@gmail.com 4. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:edward.y...@gmail.com 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Definitions
Hello! Well, yes, I know they're specific forms, but it'd be intersting to know how each is defined - a specific harmonic progression, a certain rhythm, etc… Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 12 Jan, 2014, at 1:36 AM, Chris Despopoulos wrote: > Well, you could try the Gaspar Sanz manuscripts :) Actually, that's a lame > joke, but in a way the definition is the music itself, no? They are specific > song forms -- but I'm sure you know that. You might be looking for the > history of each one? That would indeed be interesting. > > From: Edward C. Yong > To: Vihuela List > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 10:27 AM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Definitions > > Hi all! > > Could anyone advise where I might find definitions of the terms 'Canarios', > 'Marionas', and so on? Google is no help :( > > Thanks! > > Edward Chrysogonus Yong > edward.y...@gmail.com > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
