[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Pesori ('realised' by Martyn Hodgson) Suplice Penitente (and 'sua passagio') from Lo Scrigno Armonico (1640)
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Pesori ('realised' by Martyn Hodgson) Suplice
Penitente (and 'sua passagio') from Lo Scrigno Armonico (1640)
I enjoyed listening to this; very nice!
Me too. Thank- you Stuart and Martyn for your efforts. There is obviously
more to Pesori than meets the eye. Keep at it.
MOnica
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WALSH STUART [s.wa...@ntlworld.com]
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To: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Stefano Pesori ('realised' by Martyn Hodgson) Suplice
Penitente (and 'sua passagio') from Lo Scrigno Armonico (1640)
Martyn Hodgson has made 'realisations' of some of the pieces in Pesori's
Lo Scrigno Armonico. The tablature is very corrupt and some kind of
realisation has to be made to produce something actually playable.
Yet Pesori's work was re-printed and presumably players at the time were
playing from it.
Here is an Arietta: Suplice Penitente with its associated 'sua passaggio':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGx8bpvHAds
Stuart
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[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Pesori ('realised' by Martyn Hodgson) Suplice Penitente (and 'sua passagio') from Lo Scrigno Armonico (1640)
I enjoyed listening to this; very nice!
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of WALSH
STUART [s.wa...@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 4:24 AM
To: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Stefano Pesori ('realised' by Martyn Hodgson) Suplice
Penitente (and 'sua passagio') from Lo Scrigno Armonico (1640)
Martyn Hodgson has made 'realisations' of some of the pieces in Pesori's
Lo Scrigno Armonico. The tablature is very corrupt and some kind of
realisation has to be made to produce something actually playable.
Yet Pesori's work was re-printed and presumably players at the time were
playing from it.
Here is an Arietta: Suplice Penitente with its associated 'sua passaggio':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGx8bpvHAds
Stuart
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Re: Stefano Pesori
Stefano Pesori's Galeria Musicale (1648) has both a tuning chart and a tuning check in tablature. The tuning check says 'in ottava'. If we check the tuning like that, there must have been low strings on the fifth and fourth courses. We cannot even be sure if there were also high octaves on those courses. I would suppose they were there, but octaves are almost never mentioned. Lex > > Not at all...although I'd favor specifics regarding the octave sounded: > a-a, d-d', g-g, b-b, e' or A-a, d-d', g-g, b-b, e', etc. There is a nice > summary table of tunings that can be deciphered from various period methods > in Tyler & Sparks (2002), although some of the things they lump with > guitars probably weren't. > > Bourdons all-'round were common to Spanish music. > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Stefano Pesori
At 09:11 AM 6/17/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > how was the 5c. guitar tuned: > > > > - D D G B E - 4th and 5th "D" tuned in same octave as > > "E" in re-entrant tuning? > > > > - A D G B E - 5th string one octave lower than 1st > > thru 4th? > > > > - A D G B E - same progression as first five of modern > > guitar? > > > > thanks - bill > > > >A,D,G,B,E. But sometimes the A and D are strung an octave higher (to make >a re-entrant tuning) and sometimes they are strung with both the low note >and the octave. In the latter case the octave string is to the left of the >lower string,when looked at from above. > >I noticed that Taro Takeuchi used the bordon on fifth and sixth on his >Folias CD. And Lex Eisenhardt too? (Sorry if I've got this completetrly >wrong!!) Not at all...although I'd favor specifics regarding the octave sounded: a-a, d-d', g-g, b-b, e' or A-a, d-d', g-g, b-b, e', etc. There is a nice summary table of tunings that can be deciphered from various period methods in Tyler & Sparks (2002), although some of the things they lump with guitars probably weren't. Bourdons all-'round were common to Spanish music. Best, Eugene Eugene C. Braig IV Assistant Director Ohio Sea Grant College Program, F.T. Stone Laboratory, CLEAR, and GLAERC The Ohio State University Area 100 Research Center 1314 Kinnear Rd. Columbus, OH 43212 Phone: 614-292-8949 FAX:614-292-4364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sg.ohio-state.edu/ http://snr.osu.edu/myhome/braig.1 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Re: Stefano Pesori
> > how was the 5c. guitar tuned: > > - D D G B E - 4th and 5th "D" tuned in same octave as > "E" in re-entrant tuning? > > - A D G B E - 5th string one octave lower than 1st > thru 4th? > > - A D G B E - same progression as first five of modern > guitar? > > thanks - bill > A,D,G,B,E. But sometimes the A and D are strung an octave higher (to make a re-entrant tuning) and sometimes they are strung with both the low note and the octave. In the latter case the octave string is to the left of the lower string,when looked at from above. I noticed that Taro Takeuchi used the bordon on fifth and sixth on his Folias CD. And Lex Eisenhardt too? (Sorry if I've got this completetrly wrong!!) - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Stefano Pesori (II)
.. or none of the above. nel buio - bill "and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell of a creepy crawly..." - Don Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), "Historias de la Conquista del Mayab" by Fra Joseph of San Buenaventura. go to: http://www.charango.cl/paginas/quieninvento.htm ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Stefano Pesori
how was the 5c. guitar tuned: - D D G B E - 4th and 5th "D" tuned in same octave as "E" in re-entrant tuning? - A D G B E - 5th string one octave lower than 1st thru 4th? - A D G B E - same progression as first five of modern guitar? thanks - bill --- Monica Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > P.S. The instrument you suggest is a manocordo looks > like a 6-course > cittern. It is being played by Orpheus. The > cittern was held in high > esteem in Italy during the Renaissance because of > its supposed resemblance > to the classical Kithara. > > Monica > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:20 PM > Subject: Stefano Pesori > > > > I put up a few pages about a rather obscure > composer for the five-course > guitar - Stefano Pesori. He published five books and > they are disticntly odd > (if the only one I've seen is anything to go by). If > the music could be > sorted out, it's probably no great shakes. > > > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/s.walsh > > > > - > > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Stefano Pesori
P.S. The instrument you suggest is a manocordo looks like a 6-course cittern. It is being played by Orpheus. The cittern was held in high esteem in Italy during the Renaissance because of its supposed resemblance to the classical Kithara. Monica - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: Stefano Pesori > I put up a few pages about a rather obscure composer for the five-course guitar - Stefano Pesori. He published five books and they are disticntly odd (if the only one I've seen is anything to go by). If the music could be sorted out, it's probably no great shakes. > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/s.walsh > > - > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Re: Stefano Pesori
> Are the illustrations from the copy in the British Library? Not all are > included in the facsimile published by S.P.E.S. Great to have them > reproduced in this way! The music in the two copies varies too. The pieces > are arranged in a different order and the facsimile includes a piece which > doesn't seem to be in the B.L. copy. > > The music is passing strange, primarily because the rhythmic notation is not > clear, but the tuning is standard 5-course guitar. > > A manocordo is usually a keyboard instrument. I wouldn't assume that the > illustrations of the instruments are 100% accurate, especially not the 12 > pegs! The engraver was probably more interested in the artistic appearance! > > Cheers > > Monica Yes, the illustrations are from the copy in the BL. - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Stefano Pesori
Are the illustrations from the copy in the British Library? Not all are included in the facsimile published by S.P.E.S. Great to have them reproduced in this way! The music in the two copies varies too. The pieces are arranged in a different order and the facsimile includes a piece which doesn't seem to be in the B.L. copy. The music is passing strange, primarily because the rhythmic notation is not clear, but the tuning is standard 5-course guitar. A manocordo is usually a keyboard instrument. I wouldn't assume that the illustrations of the instruments are 100% accurate, especially not the 12 pegs! The engraver was probably more interested in the artistic appearance! Cheers Monica - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: Stefano Pesori > I put up a few pages about a rather obscure composer for the five-course guitar - Stefano Pesori. He published five books and they are disticntly odd (if the only one I've seen is anything to go by). If the music could be sorted out, it's probably no great shakes. > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/s.walsh > > - > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
RE: Stefano Pesori
Thanks Stuart. Wonderful illustrations. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2005 23:20 To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Stefano Pesori I put up a few pages about a rather obscure composer for the five-course guitar - Stefano Pesori. He published five books and they are disticntly odd (if the only one I've seen is anything to go by). If the music could be sorted out, it's probably no great shakes. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/s.walsh - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Stefano Pesori
thanks for that. i could be wrong - i can't really see it properly - but the tuning platform on the drawing of the instrument behind pesori appears to have 12 tuning pegs (6 "bumps" on either side) with five single strings on the tastiera(?). it's too late to have a go at the sample you've included but in what tuning are the five string guitar pieces written for? thanks again - especially for the drawing of the cherub with a uke'. - bill --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I put up a few pages about a rather obscure composer > for the five-course guitar - Stefano Pesori. He > published five books and they are disticntly odd (if > the only one I've seen is anything to go by). If the > music could be sorted out, it's probably no great > shakes. > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/s.walsh > > - > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > "and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell of a creepy crawly..." - Don Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), "Historias de la Conquista del Mayab" by Fra Joseph of San Buenaventura. go to: http://www.charango.cl/paginas/quieninvento.htm ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: Stefano Pesori
That's very interesting Stuart! Thanks for sharing. I'd never heard of Pesori. I'm assuming that the tablature piece is actually (more or less) standard tablature and not some variant? BTW, the Pegasus looks...ummm...perversely gratified >:) Garry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:20 PM To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Stefano Pesori I put up a few pages about a rather obscure composer for the five-course guitar - Stefano Pesori. He published five books and they are disticntly odd (if the only one I've seen is anything to go by). If the music could be sorted out, it's probably no great shakes. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/s.walsh - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
