RE: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
Heads maybe sticking, sad to say it may just be done. Hardware Mac on here makes scsi I to newer scsi hard drives if you wan something that will last a bit. > From: vintagem...@jongilbert.com > Subject: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:13:51 -0700 > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, > makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly with > about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound is > almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive > itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are > ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the > controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at > first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down > and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back > after just a moment. Sigh. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix > several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" > method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the Mac > never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial gray > screen. > > Thanks for any tips, > > Jon Gilbert, > Portland, OR > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
This is needle-in-haystack, but at times another identical drive (Fujitsu 40MB) can be used to recover data if it's ultra precious to you. Either the backing card can be placed on your hard drive, or in most extreme circumstances, your platters in the other's hard drive for one last read. Jeff From: Jason Johnson To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: RE: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? Heads maybe sticking, sad to say it may just be done. Hardware Mac on here makes scsi I to newer scsi hard drives if you wan something that will last a bit. > From: vintagem...@jongilbert.com > Subject: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:13:51 -0700 > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, > makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly with > about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound is > almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive > itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are > ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the > controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at > first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down > and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back > after just a moment. Sigh. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix > several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" > method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the Mac > never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial gray > screen. > > Thanks for any tips, > > Jon Gilbert, > Portland, OR > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
In my experience with hard drives, clicking as you describe pretty much means it is toast...I don't think I've ever gotten one with such symptoms to come back to life. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...I know that's not what you wanted to hear! Wesley -Original Message- From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Gilbert Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:14 AM To: Vintage Macs List Subject: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly with about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound is almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back after just a moment. Sigh. Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the Mac never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial gray screen. Thanks for any tips, Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
There are a few odd tricks that might get it running. Easiest to try us simply to turn the drive (or the whole computer) upside down and try booting. Another even stranger is to freeze the drive as in put in the freezer for a few hours. Try to connect it up before it warms up. I have an external quantum that i have to flip each time before use. It's been that way for over 10 years, but still works. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Jason Johnson wrote: > Heads maybe sticking, sad to say it may just be done. Hardware Mac on here > makes scsi I to newer scsi hard drives if you wan something that will last a > bit. > > > From: vintagem...@jongilbert.com > > Subject: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:13:51 -0700 > > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > > > I have a sick 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD from a Mac IIci. The drive spins up, > > makes some initial healthy "reading" sounds, then starts to click loudly > > with about a 1-second interval between clicks. The type of clicking sound > > is almost more like a knocking sound, and if you place a hand on the drive > > itself, you can actually feel the knocking. It's as if the read heads are > > ramming up against their internal stopper, which makes me think the > > controller board is bad, perhaps. I tried the "freezer trick" and right at > > first when it was very cold, it seemed to help, so I shut the machine down > > and connected the external optical drive -- but then the problem came back > > after just a moment. Sigh. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for this issue? I have been able to fix > > several drives that had "stiction" by using the "spinning with your hand" > > method, but this drive spins up just fine. However if it's connected, the > > Mac never even gets to the "question mark" screen, and stays at the initial > > gray screen. > > > > Thanks for any tips, > > > > Jon Gilbert, > > Portland, OR > > > > -- > > -- > > - > > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > > group. > > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Vintage Macs" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
On Sep 12, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Doug Kiekow wrote: > There are a few odd tricks that might get it running. Easiest to try us > simply to turn the drive (or the whole computer) upside down and try booting. > Another even stranger is to freeze the drive as in put in the freezer for a > few hours. Try to connect it up before it warms up. I have an external > quantum that i have to flip each time before use. It's been that way for over > 10 years, but still works. As I said in the OP, I did already try the freezer trick. It actually did not do the clicking on first read and it seemed OK so I shut down to hook up the external optical drive to copy to... then when I restarted it was clicking again. Plus, condensation from hell came all over it, though it does not seem to have affected it. I'll try it again except this time, I will use silica gel packets and plastic bags to try to prevent condensation. I did also try the wrist-spinning and inversion techniques already. Perhaps the amplification circuitry for the read heads has gone kaput. The drive was working not that long ago, but it was inside a machine that had a bad battery leak, and a lot of component were exposed to oxidation and corrosion, although the hard drive being up top, did not get any apparent corrosion. It did make me wonder if perhaps some of the circuitry on the board has been compromised, like the amplification circuit for the read heads. Has anyone ever tried re-flowing the circuit board? Obviously it would have to be done surgically so as not to damage the plastic connectors, but maybe there is something to that. But maybe the magnetic disks themselves are just toast. I don't know where I'd get another such drive to switch out the platters, nor do I have a "clean-room" type facility in which to do so. The only time I've ever popped the top off of a hard drive, it instantly had about 30,000 bad sectors, LOL. But it was a Conner. Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas?
I ran a Sony 20MB SCSI hard drive "topless" (cover off) and babysat it until ALL the data was transferred onto a 350MB SCSI drive. Dust and the accompanying bad sectors be darned. That drive was walking dead anyway. It worked. Jeff From: Jon Gilbert To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Clicking 40mb Fujitsu SCSI HDD, ideas? I don't know where I'd get another such drive to switch out the platters, nor do I have a "clean-room" type facility in which to do so. The only time I've ever popped the top off of a hard drive, it instantly had about 30,000 bad sectors, LOL. But it was a Conner. Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
