Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Jennie Facer]

Hi all,

I like Donna don't have any of the problems mentioned here either. I am running 
an iPhone 7 with 10.2. The one that isn't labeled on the bottom there is a 
photos tab. It wants allow for the camera. I tapped on it just to find out. 
That is the only unclear tab and no unclear buttons. Sorry you are having such 
a hard time.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
>  
> That is exactly what I get as well. I really wonder why some people have a 
> different experience.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Donna
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>  
> Hi All
>  
> I live in the U.S I am using an iPhone 7, running IOS 10.2 & have the latest 
> update to Facebook messenger. The only button that is not labeled is the 3rd 
> button across the bottom when the app is first launched; otherwise everything 
> is labeled & easy to use. 
>  
> Donna
>  
> I wonder if it has to do with the language although I know Ioana is also 
> using English. I use an iPhone 6S Plus with the latest public release of iOS 
> 10 which is 10.2. Maybe a few others who use Facebook Messengers can say if 
> they are having problems since for me I would say it is 100% accessible and 
> easy to use.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>  
> Hi Ioana
>  
> Thanx to inform me that I am not alone.
> I had made an mp3 record for a very clever visually impaired iphone user and 
> she told me the app did not have a problem at all and even she had to admit 
> my message buttons were nolonger labeled.
> Which iphone do you use?
>  
> Regards
> Davy
> From: Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>  
> I have had a similar problem for a few versions now but it appears that it's 
> not present for all voiceover users.
> Thanks to Help I received on the list I learned how to find the send button 
> and that suits my needs for now. I did send them a report also bought we will 
> see what happens.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I 
> mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest 
> one) also had accessibility problems.
> Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with 
> what you are experiencing?
> Jen
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Davy,
>  
> I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. Can 
> you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where 
> things are not labelled?
> I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, for 
> me it says from left to right:
> Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
> When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap to 
> take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
> then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is 
> followed by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons 
> labelled “Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
> If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
> button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
> button at the top right.
> My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are 
> new and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor 
> options which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
> More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as Unread 
> (or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
> If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the top 
> left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
> active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
> I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, 
> it is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover 
> says “Type in message… text field is editing”.
> Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger 
> or I can swipe right and all are announced:
> Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
> As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
> to a “Send” button.
> The 

RE: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Donna,

That is exactly what I get as well. I really wonder why some people have a 
different experience.

Regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

Hi All

I live in the U.S I am using an iPhone 7, running IOS 10.2 & have the latest 
update to Facebook messenger. The only button that is not labeled is the 3rd 
button across the bottom when the app is first launched; otherwise everything 
is labeled & easy to use.

Donna

I wonder if it has to do with the language although I know Ioana is also using 
English. I use an iPhone 6S Plus with the latest public release of iOS 10 which 
is 10.2. Maybe a few others who use Facebook Messengers can say if they are 
having problems since for me I would say it is 100% accessible and easy to use.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

Hi Ioana

Thanx to inform me that I am not alone.
I had made an mp3 record for a very clever visually impaired iphone user and 
she told me the app did not have a problem at all and even she had to admit my 
message buttons were nolonger labeled.
Which iphone do you use?

Regards
Davy
From: Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

I have had a similar problem for a few versions now but it appears that it's 
not present for all voiceover users.
Thanks to Help I received on the list I learned how to find the send button and 
that suits my needs for now. I did send them a report also bought we will see 
what happens.

Best,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jenifer Barr 
> wrote:
Hi.
I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I 
mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest 
one) also had accessibility problems.
Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with what 
you are experiencing?
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Hi Davy,

I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. Can 
you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where things 
are not labelled?
I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, for 
me it says from left to right:
Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap to 
take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is followed 
by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons labelled 
“Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
button at the top right.
My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are new 
and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor options 
which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as Unread 
(or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the top 
left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, it 
is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover says 
“Type in message… text field is editing”.
Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger or 
I can swipe right and all are announced:
Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
to a “Send” button.
The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even though 
the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard shows and 
the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to go back to 
the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” button at the very 
bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to change back to the regular 
keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if I double tap it it goes back 
to “Emoji, 

RE: updating an app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

By default automatic app updates is on, unless you turned it off your apps will 
automatically update.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Louise Peyton
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: updating an app

Hello, all:
I am a fairly new iPhone user.  Please tell me how to update an app.  Thanks.
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Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Brian Fischler]

I am running the latest version of iOs on a iPhone 7 and like Davey the past 
two updates of Messenger lost a lot of the buttons being labeled. I contacted 
FBAccess on Twitter and got their typical fill out this form.
> On Jan 20, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Kevin Wassmer  wrote:
> 
> Hello folks. I don't post much on this list. But I aggree with Stacy.
> This app is not as accessable as the other versons of Messenger. It
> works ok. But not that great. For example, I was trying to messege a
> friend who I haven't writen to in a while. I kept flicking to the
> right on the screen. It kept getting me gack to the begining of the
> people I messaged. In fact, I belive once I flicked on to the last
> person who I messaged. The app braught me back to the top. what I had
> to do is go to the tabs at the bottem. Then I had to flick to the left
> and I was able to find others I have messaged in recent times. it does
> work with Voice-over. But not like it has in the past.
> 
> On 1/20/17, Sieghard Weitzel > 
> wrote:
>> I wonder if it has to do with the language although I know Ioana is also
>> using English. I use an iPhone 6S Plus with the latest public release of iOS
>> 10 which is 10.2. Maybe a few others who use Facebook Messengers can say if
>> they are having problems since for me I would say it is 100% accessible and
>> easy to use.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Davy Cuppens
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>> 
>> Hi Ioana
>> 
>> Thanx to inform me that I am not alone.
>> I had made an mp3 record for a very clever visually impaired iphone user and
>> she told me the app did not have a problem at all and even she had to admit
>> my message buttons were nolonger labeled.
>> Which iphone do you use?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> From: Ioana Gandrabur> >
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:01 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > >
>> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>> 
>> I have had a similar problem for a few versions now but it appears that it's
>> not present for all voiceover users.
>> Thanks to Help I received on the list I learned how to find the send button
>> and that suits my needs for now. I did send them a report also bought we
>> will see what happens.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jenifer Barr
>> > > >> wrote:
>> Hi.
>> I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I
>> mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest
>> one) also had accessibility problems.
>> Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with
>> what you are experiencing?
>> Jen
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel
>> > >> wrote:
>> Hi Davy,
>> 
>> I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues.
>> Can you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where
>> things are not labelled?
>> I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled,
>> for me it says from left to right:
>> Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
>> When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap
>> to take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top
>> left, then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is
>> followed by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons
>> labelled “Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
>> If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings”
>> button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New
>> Conversation” button at the top right.
>> My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are
>> new and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor
>> options which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
>> More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as
>> Unread (or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
>> If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the
>> top left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were
>> last active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
>> I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message,
>> it is read out perfectly with time and all 

Re: updating an app

[Gerardo Corripio]

Go to the App Store; at the bottom, there are several tabs such as 
Search, and at the very right bottom, there's one called Updates. 
Double-tap on that one, and the apps that need updating will show up. 
Either double-tap on Update All, or you can update one by one; flicking 
to the right, after the app needing updates, you'll come across a button 
saying "Update, allowing you to update an app at a time. Good luck!



El 20/01/2017 a las 07:16 p.m., Louise Peyton escribió:


Hello, all:

I am a fairly new iPhone user.  Please tell me how to update an app.  
Thanks.


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updating an app

[Louise Peyton]

Hello, all:
I am a fairly new iPhone user.  Please tell me how to update an app.  Thanks.

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re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

[Wayne Scott]

I prefer using the braille display to the rotor.  No wrist 
strain.  But, yes, when I use the speech, it can ge	tiresome.


- Original Message -
From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 

Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Donna]

Hi All

I live in the U.S I am using an iPhone 7, running IOS 10.2 & have the latest 
update to Facebook messenger. The only button that is not labeled is the 3rd 
button across the bottom when the app is first launched; otherwise everything 
is labeled & easy to use. 

Donna
> 
> I wonder if it has to do with the language although I know Ioana is also 
> using English. I use an iPhone 6S Plus with the latest public release of iOS 
> 10 which is 10.2. Maybe a few others who use Facebook Messengers can say if 
> they are having problems since for me I would say it is 100% accessible and 
> easy to use.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>  
> Hi Ioana
>  
> Thanx to inform me that I am not alone.
> I had made an mp3 record for a very clever visually impaired iphone user and 
> she told me the app did not have a problem at all and even she had to admit 
> my message buttons were nolonger labeled.
> Which iphone do you use?
>  
> Regards
> Davy
> From: Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>  
> I have had a similar problem for a few versions now but it appears that it's 
> not present for all voiceover users.
> Thanks to Help I received on the list I learned how to find the send button 
> and that suits my needs for now. I did send them a report also bought we will 
> see what happens.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I 
> mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest 
> one) also had accessibility problems.
> Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with 
> what you are experiencing?
> Jen
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Davy,
>  
> I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. Can 
> you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where 
> things are not labelled?
> I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, for 
> me it says from left to right:
> Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
> When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap to 
> take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
> then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is 
> followed by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons 
> labelled “Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
> If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
> button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
> button at the top right.
> My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are 
> new and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor 
> options which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
> More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as Unread 
> (or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
> If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the top 
> left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
> active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
> I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, 
> it is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover 
> says “Type in message… text field is editing”.
> Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger 
> or I can swipe right and all are announced:
> Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
> As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
> to a “Send” button.
> The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even though 
> the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard shows 
> and the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to go 
> back to the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” button at 
> the very bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to change back to 
> the regular keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if I double tap it 
> it goes back to “Emoji, selected” but the keyboard stays on text until I tap 
> this again. Like I said, this is just a bit inconsistent, but everything else 
> for me seems to be perfectly accessible.
> If I want to send a voice recording instead of a text message I can tap on 
> “Voice” and the entire button part of the screen above the 

RE: How to quickly look up an app including it's price or whether it's free, was: Talking clock for on the hour announcement.

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,
Thanks for the instructions on how to make a place marker. I could  understand 
now how to use this handy tools with your example.
Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to quickly look up an app including it's price or whether it's 
free, was: Talking clock for on the hour announcement.

Hi Michael and List:

Here is a link for the Voiceover Clock app:
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/voice-over-clock/id594106139?mt=8

If you or anybody else is wondering about whether an app is free or paid 
consider looking it up in a simple way, takes you no more time than to write an 
email to the list asking and of course since then you have to wait for somebody 
else to look it up or reply because maybe they know the price, it's actually a 
lot faster. I do this simply by opening Google, go to the search field and type 
in the app name followed by "on the app store" or "on iTunes". In this case I 
would write "Voiceover clock on the app store". In 9 out of 10 cases the first 
search result will be a direct link to the app I am looking for on the iTunes 
app store, I press enter on that and then use headings to find the information, 
read the description or look for the price.

If you want to set up a quick method to look up the price and are using Jaws 
and Internet Explorer or Firefox, you can do the following:
Bring up virtual find with Jaws Key+Control+F and type "Category" in the search 
field, then press enter. 
This will take you to the app category, e.g. with Voiceover clock it would say 
"Category: Lifestyle where "Lifestyle" is a link. If you were, for example, 
doing the search in Google "KNFB Reader on iTunes" and did the category search 
it would say "Category: Productivity".

The nice thing with this is that the price is always listed right above the 
category, so if you find the category and arrow up once you will either hear 
"Free" as in the case of Voiceover Clock or, in the case of KNFB Reader you 
would hear $139.99 (I am in Canada and that is the price in canadian dollars.
You can take this even a step further and set up a Jaws placemarker when you 
are on the Category and that way any time you do a Google search for an app and 
then follow the link to the app store you just type the quick nav key "K" for 
placemarker and it jumps straight to the category, arrow up once and you have 
the price. To do this, follow these steps:

1. Find the category, for example, go to where it says "Category: Lifestyle" 
when you are on the Voiceover Clock page.
2. Press Control+Shift+K to bring up the placemarker dialogue, then press Alt+A 
to add a placemarker 3. It will say "Category: Lifestyle" in the placemarker 
name, just edit this to only say "Cateegory".
4. Tab once and check the checkbox "Define for all pages on current domain"
5. Tab one more time and check the checkbox "Anchor to text"
6. Tab one more time and in the anchor to text edit box again change the text 
from "Category: Lifestyle" simply to the word "Category".
7. Tab to OK and activate it with spacebar or enter.

Now go back to Google and try another search like "KNFB Reader on iTunes" or 
"Downcast on iTunes".
Use the quick nav key "2" for heading level 2 which takes you to the heading 
"Search Results", then "3" which takes you straight to the first search result 
which is "knfbReader on the App Store - iTunes - Apple". Press enter on it.
After the page loads just press the quick nav key "K", Jaws should now say 
"Category: Productivity", arrow up once for the price and that's it. I just 
timed myself doing a search starting from right here as I am writing this post.
I used my Windows Key+1 shortcut which loads Internet Explorer, then I typed in 
"Tap Tap See on iTunes" and pressed enter, then I did the "2" and "3", pressed 
enter on the search result and after the page loaded I pressed "K" and arrowed 
up once to hear "Free". All of this took about 10 seconds.

Keep in mind that this will not work on an iPhone if you want to look up an app 
you have already installed.
Whether you use Safari or the Google app to search, once you find the link to 
an app you already have on your phone it will actually open the App Store app 
with the app loaded. You will have an "Open" button instead of the "Get" button 
which you would have if an app is free or the button showing the price if it is 
paid. Of course if you have never bought/downloaded the app this would still 
work although it's much faster to do this on a computer with Jaws. I assume 
NVDA may have similar quick nav keys you can use and maybe the Mac does as 
well, but I'm not sure if NVDA or the Mac has the ability to set a placemarker 
or to do a virtual find for "Category".


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael 

Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Kevin Wassmer]

Hello folks. I don't post much on this list. But I aggree with Stacy.
This app is not as accessable as the other versons of Messenger. It
works ok. But not that great. For example, I was trying to messege a
friend who I haven't writen to in a while. I kept flicking to the
right on the screen. It kept getting me gack to the begining of the
people I messaged. In fact, I belive once I flicked on to the last
person who I messaged. The app braught me back to the top. what I had
to do is go to the tabs at the bottem. Then I had to flick to the left
and I was able to find others I have messaged in recent times. it does
work with Voice-over. But not like it has in the past.

On 1/20/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I wonder if it has to do with the language although I know Ioana is also
> using English. I use an iPhone 6S Plus with the latest public release of iOS
> 10 which is 10.2. Maybe a few others who use Facebook Messengers can say if
> they are having problems since for me I would say it is 100% accessible and
> easy to use.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>
> Hi Ioana
>
> Thanx to inform me that I am not alone.
> I had made an mp3 record for a very clever visually impaired iphone user and
> she told me the app did not have a problem at all and even she had to admit
> my message buttons were nolonger labeled.
> Which iphone do you use?
>
> Regards
> Davy
> From: Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>
> I have had a similar problem for a few versions now but it appears that it's
> not present for all voiceover users.
> Thanks to Help I received on the list I learned how to find the send button
> and that suits my needs for now. I did send them a report also bought we
> will see what happens.
>
> Best,
>
> Ioana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jenifer Barr
> > wrote:
> Hi.
> I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I
> mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest
> one) also had accessibility problems.
> Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with
> what you are experiencing?
> Jen
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel
> > wrote:
> Hi Davy,
>
> I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues.
> Can you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where
> things are not labelled?
> I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled,
> for me it says from left to right:
> Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
> When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap
> to take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top
> left, then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is
> followed by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons
> labelled “Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
> If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings”
> button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New
> Conversation” button at the top right.
> My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are
> new and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor
> options which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
> More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as
> Unread (or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
> If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the
> top left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were
> last active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
> I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message,
> it is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover
> says “Type in message… text field is editing”.
> Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger
> or I can swipe right and all are announced:
> Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
> As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right
> changes to a “Send” button.
> The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even
> though the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard
> shows and the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to
> go back to the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input”
> 

Understanding iCloud

[Kimberly Samco]

Hello all,


Until recently I haven't paid a ton of attention to iCloud but lately I have 
collected many pics and videos and kept a travel journal which I made sure to 
save to the cloud and are also in Drop Box.  Fr me, Drop Box is a little 
cumbersome to use and many files in Drop Box seem to be stuck and have told me 
"waiting to upload" for days.  Is it possible to explore what I have in the 
cloud by using my phone or do I need to do it from a "real" computer which in 
my case is a PC with JAWS?

I  looked in the App Store to see what is there which lead me to wonder if 
getting another app is necessary or can I do what I want, just as easily  by 
using the native apps?

I know my questions are not very specific but I'm still in the process of 
figuring out what I want/need and what is available.  I guess the bottom line 
is that I want to make sure to not lose any photos and journal entries (which I 
created in the Notes app) and I would like to organize them.

Thanks for any info,

Kim

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Re: blocking phone calls

[christopher hallsworth]

Please do, it's right at the bottom of the screen. You may need to do a four 
finger single tap towards there to force the screen to scroll to the end.
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 21:21, Vicki  wrote:
> 
> I find the calss in my recent list, but never find a block button under more 
> info. I will check again.
>  
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Joseph Hudson
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: blocking phone calls
>> 
>> Hi Vicki, unfortunately not. You will have an them to your contacts, and 
>> then simply go to more info, Andy hit the block button if there is a call 
>> that is recent from them in your history. If not, Dane you will have to 
>> simply use D method of adding them to your contacts, and then going to 
>> settings/phone, and then finding the contact that you have added to your 
>> phone and then blocking them that way.
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Vicki  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a 5C IPhone and I am wanting to block incoming calls from numbers 
>>> not in my contact list. I can't find an option to do this, and if I go into 
>>> phone settings and try to add new to the block list, it simply brings up my 
>>> contact list.
>>>  
>>> All of these numbers are from surveys and other types of spam numbers which 
>>> I never used to get until the last three weeks or so.
>>>  
>>> Is there a way to block these numbers without adding them to my contact 
>>> list?
>>>  
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
>>> Vicki
>>>  
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Re: Be My Eyes update and a new prize for blind adventurers

[Godwin Adoyi]

I also got the same, but I was not successful with the app. I can not get a 
helper. I gave up after several attempts.Regards from Ghana,

Godwin Adoyi Agada



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Be My Eyes update and a new prize for blind adventurers 






Hi,


 


I received the below email from Be My Eyes which apparently is going strong. 
Thought this might be of interest to the list. I haven’t used it in some time 
because
 I often have friends and family I can call directly via Facetime if I want 
help with something.


 


Regards,


Sieghard


 





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On Behalf Of Be My Eyes

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:36 PM

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Subject: Be My Eyes update and a new prize for blind adventurers 




 



























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We are constantly working to improve Be My Eyes and create a better user 
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significantly reduce the time that it takes to connect to a helper. We 
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RE: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I wonder if it has to do with the language although I know Ioana is also using 
English. I use an iPhone 6S Plus with the latest public release of iOS 10 which 
is 10.2. Maybe a few others who use Facebook Messengers can say if they are 
having problems since for me I would say it is 100% accessible and easy to use.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

Hi Ioana

Thanx to inform me that I am not alone.
I had made an mp3 record for a very clever visually impaired iphone user and 
she told me the app did not have a problem at all and even she had to admit my 
message buttons were nolonger labeled.
Which iphone do you use?

Regards
Davy
From: Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

I have had a similar problem for a few versions now but it appears that it's 
not present for all voiceover users.
Thanks to Help I received on the list I learned how to find the send button and 
that suits my needs for now. I did send them a report also bought we will see 
what happens.

Best,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jenifer Barr 
> wrote:
Hi.
I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I 
mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest 
one) also had accessibility problems.
Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with what 
you are experiencing?
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Hi Davy,

I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. Can 
you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where things 
are not labelled?
I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, for 
me it says from left to right:
Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap to 
take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is followed 
by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons labelled 
“Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
button at the top right.
My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are new 
and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor options 
which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as Unread 
(or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the top 
left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, it 
is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover says 
“Type in message… text field is editing”.
Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger or 
I can swipe right and all are announced:
Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
to a “Send” button.
The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even though 
the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard shows and 
the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to go back to 
the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” button at the very 
bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to change back to the regular 
keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if I double tap it it goes back 
to “Emoji, selected” but the keyboard stays on text until I tap this again. 
Like I said, this is just a bit inconsistent, but everything else for me seems 
to be perfectly accessible.
If I want to send a voice recording instead of a text message I can tap on 
“Voice” and the entire button part of the screen above the home button but all 
the way across becomes a big “Record” button. You have to double tap and hold 
this just as in Whats App messenger and after you let go anything you record is 
automatically sent.
Tap on “Text” at the far left of that row of icons to get out of voice 
recording mode and bring the on-screen keyboard back.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: 

FW: Be My Eyes update and a new prize for blind adventurers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi,

I received the below email from Be My Eyes which apparently is going strong. 
Thought this might be of interest to the list. I haven’t used it in some time 
because I often have friends and family I can call directly via Facetime if I 
want help with something.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: Be My Eyes [mailto:info=bemyeyes@mail238.atl21.rsgsv.net] On Behalf 
Of Be My Eyes
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:36 PM
To: siegh...@outlook.com
Subject: Be My Eyes update and a new prize for blind adventurers

Thank you for being part of the Be My Eyes community

Be My Eyes has grown to become the largest global online community for the 
blind and visually impaired. The app is now used in 140 countries, with more 
than 32,000 blind and visually impaired individuals being assisted by more than 
450,000 sighted helpers. Every day, volunteers lend their eyes to solve 
challenges both big and small in the lives of the blind and visually impaired.
We are constantly working to improve Be My Eyes and create a better user 
experience for people utilizing the app. Due to the size of our amazing 
volunteer network and sophisticated matching technology, the app now enables 
our blind and visually impaired users to request assistance in their native 
language 24 hours a day. We have also managed to significantly reduce the time 
that it takes to connect to a helper. We sincerely appreciate your feedback, as 
it is invaluable to Be My Eyes' continued improvement.
In order to have the best experience possible with Be My Eyes, please remember 
to update the app to its latest version.







How can you use Be My Eyes?

People are always coming up with creative ways to use Be My Eyes. In the audio 
clip below, you can hear some anecdotes from Be My Eyes users about their 
experiences with the app.




[Link to audio clip with use 
cases]







The Holman Prize for Blind Ambition
Win $25,000 for an adventure




[The Holman Prize for Blind Ambition. A silhouetted figure with a 
cane.]

Caption: Announcing the Holman Prize for Blind Ambition (Click above to watch 
the video)



This month, our friends at the LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired 
in San 
Francisco
 announced The Holman 
Prize
 for Blind Ambition – an annual set of awards up to $25,000 to fund the dreams 
and ambitions of blind individuals worldwide.

Open to anyone in the world who is 18 or older and can provide official proof 
of blindness, the Holman Prize funds travel, activism, scholarship, craft, 
sport, art, nature and much more — you are encouraged to think outside the box. 
They’re looking for intrepid travelers, creative problem solvers, effective 
communicators, natural ambassadors, passionate advocates, joyful builders, 
active boundary-pushers and experience seekers.

If you’re a blind person with a penchant for exploration, The Holman Prize is 
your chance to shape your own future instead of having it laid out for you. 
Start by creating a 90-second YouTube video to tell the world about your dream, 
give it a catchy title and tag it #HolmanPrize. Finally, visit 
holmanprize.org
 to submit your formal application.

Visit the Holman Prize website to read specific guidelines, watch the other 
video pitches and apply 
for
 the chance to embark on the adventure of your 
lifetime.







The Android version of Be My Eyes is soon ready

We’re excited to announce that we are close to launching the Android version of 
Be My Eyes. You can sign up to be notified when it is ready by clicking 
here

If you know anyone who might be interested in the Android version, feel free to 
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Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Ioana 

Thanx to inform me that I am not alone.
I had made an mp3 record for a very clever visually impaired iphone user and 
she told me the app did not have a problem at all and even she had to admit my 
message buttons were nolonger labeled.
Which iphone do you use?

Regards
Davy 
From: Ioana Gandrabur 
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

I have had a similar problem for a few versions now but it appears that it's 
not present for all voiceover users.
Thanks to Help I received on the list I learned how to find the send button and 
that suits my needs for now. I did send them a report also bought we will see 
what happens.

Best,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:


  Hi.
  I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I 
mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest 
one) also had accessibility problems.
  Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with 
what you are experiencing? 
  Jen


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hi Davy,

 

I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. 
Can you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where 
things are not labelled?

I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, 
for me it says from left to right:

Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People

When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap 
to take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is followed 
by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons labelled 
“Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.

If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
button at the top right.

My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are 
new and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor 
options which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.

More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as 
Unread (or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.

If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the 
top left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.

I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single 
message, it is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right 
Voiceover says “Type in message… text field is editing”.

Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger 
or I can swipe right and all are announced:

Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.

As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right 
changes to a “Send” button.

The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even 
though the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard 
shows and the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to go 
back to the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” button at 
the very bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to change back to the 
regular keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if I double tap it it 
goes back to “Emoji, selected” but the keyboard stays on text until I tap this 
again. Like I said, this is just a bit inconsistent, but everything else for me 
seems to be perfectly accessible.

If I want to send a voice recording instead of a text message I can tap on 
“Voice” and the entire button part of the screen above the home button but all 
the way across becomes a big “Record” button. You have to double tap and hold 
this just as in Whats App messenger and after you let go anything you record is 
automatically sent.

Tap on “Text” at the far left of that row of icons to get out of voice 
recording mode and bring the on-screen keyboard back.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: do not update messenger above V100!!!

 

Hi folks 

 

Since messenger 100.1 the app has become dramatically less accessible.

 

This is the report I sent to facebook this afternoon. So don’t update the 
app!

 

The latest update of Messenger 101.0 is very unaccessible, most buttons and 
tabs are nolonger labeled. this has been the case for 

Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

the buttons within an open message are nolonger labeled with my iphone 5s.

You wrote: 
Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger or 
I can swipe right and all are announced:
Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
to a “Send” button.

That send button is not labeled. I got a very strange message within the body 
of the message saying in Dutch but I’ll tranlate: some things have been 
replaced, let me show button. Right sweeping to that I get 2 unlabeled buttons 
and then the edit text field which is accessible but has the label called “A 
A”. 
To the right of that I again have a unlabeled button followed by the like 
button.
I admit, maybe I was to harsh: even my version of messenger is still accessible 
but really less then earlier versions.

I still have a v 93 in my itunes and when I downgrade, I have no problem at all 
and that version is fully accessible.
In Belgium many people wrote to me that they have no problem at all just like 
you but some do have the same problems as I have.
Regards
Davy 
From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: do not update messenger above V100!!!

Hi Davy,

 

I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. Can 
you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where things 
are not labelled?

I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, for 
me it says from left to right:

Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People

When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap to 
take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is followed 
by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons labelled 
“Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.

If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
button at the top right.

My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are new 
and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor options 
which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.

More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as Unread 
(or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.

If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the top 
left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.

I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, it 
is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover says 
“Type in message… text field is editing”.

Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger or 
I can swipe right and all are announced:

Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.

As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
to a “Send” button.

The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even though 
the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard shows and 
the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to go back to 
the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” button at the very 
bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to change back to the regular 
keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if I double tap it it goes back 
to “Emoji, selected” but the keyboard stays on text until I tap this again. 
Like I said, this is just a bit inconsistent, but everything else for me seems 
to be perfectly accessible.

If I want to send a voice recording instead of a text message I can tap on 
“Voice” and the entire button part of the screen above the home button but all 
the way across becomes a big “Record” button. You have to double tap and hold 
this just as in Whats App messenger and after you let go anything you record is 
automatically sent.

Tap on “Text” at the far left of that row of icons to get out of voice 
recording mode and bring the on-screen keyboard back.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: do not update messenger above V100!!!

 

Hi folks 

 

Since messenger 100.1 the app has become dramatically less accessible.

 

This is the report I sent to facebook this afternoon. So don’t update the app!

 

The latest update of Messenger 101.0 is very unaccessible, most buttons and 
tabs are nolonger labeled. this has been the case for update 100.1 as well, 
despite numerous messages sent by the 

Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Davy Cuppens]

I am using ios10.2 iphone 5s 64 GB everything updated to the latest.
I have already tried everything. Messenger was deleted and reinstalled, phone 
reset, that didn’t work.
The buttons in the chat conversation are nolonger labeled, except for the like 
button. The text edit field has a label called a a .

Some tabs are also nolonger labeled.

From: Jenifer Barr 
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

Hi.
I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I 
mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest 
one) also had accessibility problems.
Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with what 
you are experiencing? 
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


  Hi Davy,

   

  I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. Can 
you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where things 
are not labelled?

  I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, for 
me it says from left to right:

  Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People

  When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap to 
take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is followed 
by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons labelled 
“Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.

  If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
button at the top right.

  My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are 
new and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor 
options which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.

  More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as Unread 
(or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.

  If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the top 
left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.

  I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, 
it is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover says 
“Type in message… text field is editing”.

  Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger 
or I can swipe right and all are announced:

  Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.

  As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
to a “Send” button.

  The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even though 
the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard shows and 
the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to go back to 
the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” button at the very 
bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to change back to the regular 
keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if I double tap it it goes back 
to “Emoji, selected” but the keyboard stays on text until I tap this again. 
Like I said, this is just a bit inconsistent, but everything else for me seems 
to be perfectly accessible.

  If I want to send a voice recording instead of a text message I can tap on 
“Voice” and the entire button part of the screen above the home button but all 
the way across becomes a big “Record” button. You have to double tap and hold 
this just as in Whats App messenger and after you let go anything you record is 
automatically sent.

  Tap on “Text” at the far left of that row of icons to get out of voice 
recording mode and bring the on-screen keyboard back.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:55 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: do not update messenger above V100!!!

   

  Hi folks 

   

  Since messenger 100.1 the app has become dramatically less accessible.

   

  This is the report I sent to facebook this afternoon. So don’t update the app!

   

  The latest update of Messenger 101.0 is very unaccessible, most buttons and 
tabs are nolonger labeled. this has been the case for update 100.1 as well, 
despite numerous messages sent by the blind community Facebook refused to 
restore accessibility. Now this issue will be sent over by me to numerous 
newspapers and all forums of the blind community saying that facebook is 
reluctant to solve these accessibility issues since update 100.1.

  If facebook is nolonger willing to take accessibility into consideration for 
Messenger usage, please make the 

Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Ioana Gandrabur]

I have had a similar problem for a few versions now but it appears that it's 
not present for all voiceover users.
Thanks to Help I received on the list I learned how to find the send button and 
that suits my needs for now. I did send them a report also bought we will see 
what happens.

Best,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I 
> mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest 
> one) also had accessibility problems.
> Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with 
> what you are experiencing? 
> Jen
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Davy,
>>  
>> I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. 
>> Can you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where 
>> things are not labelled?
>> I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, 
>> for me it says from left to right:
>> Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
>> When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap 
>> to take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top 
>> left, then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is 
>> followed by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons 
>> labelled “Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
>> If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
>> button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New 
>> Conversation” button at the top right.
>> My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are 
>> new and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor 
>> options which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
>> More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as 
>> Unread (or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
>> If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the 
>> top left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were 
>> last active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
>> I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, 
>> it is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover 
>> says “Type in message… text field is editing”.
>> Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger 
>> or I can swipe right and all are announced:
>> Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
>> As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right 
>> changes to a “Send” button.
>> The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even 
>> though the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard 
>> shows and the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to 
>> go back to the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” 
>> button at the very bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to 
>> change back to the regular keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if 
>> I double tap it it goes back to “Emoji, selected” but the keyboard stays on 
>> text until I tap this again. Like I said, this is just a bit inconsistent, 
>> but everything else for me seems to be perfectly accessible.
>> If I want to send a voice recording instead of a text message I can tap on 
>> “Voice” and the entire button part of the screen above the home button but 
>> all the way across becomes a big “Record” button. You have to double tap and 
>> hold this just as in Whats App messenger and after you let go anything you 
>> record is automatically sent.
>> Tap on “Text” at the far left of that row of icons to get out of voice 
>> recording mode and bring the on-screen keyboard back.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Davy Cuppens
>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>>  
>> Hi folks
>>  
>> Since messenger 100.1 the app has become dramatically less accessible.
>>  
>> This is the report I sent to facebook this afternoon. So don’t update the 
>> app!
>>  
>> The latest update of Messenger 101.0 is very unaccessible, most buttons and 
>> tabs are nolonger labeled. this has been the case for update 100.1 as well, 
>> despite numerous messages sent by the blind community Facebook refused to 
>> restore accessibility. Now this issue will be sent over by me to numerous 
>> newspapers and all forums of the blind community saying that facebook is 
>> reluctant to solve these accessibility issues since update 100.1.
>> If facebook is nolonger willing to take 

Re: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi.
I have the update before the latest "one and have had no problem either. I 
mentioned this because Davy's email said that this update... (not the latest 
one) also had accessibility problems.
Davy, what IOS version are you using? Maybe that has something to do with what 
you are experiencing? 
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Davy,
>  
> I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. Can 
> you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where 
> things are not labelled?
> I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, for 
> me it says from left to right:
> Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
> When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap to 
> take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
> then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is 
> followed by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons 
> labelled “Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
> If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
> button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
> button at the top right.
> My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are 
> new and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor 
> options which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
> More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as Unread 
> (or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
> If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the top 
> left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
> active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
> I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, 
> it is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover 
> says “Type in message… text field is editing”.
> Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger 
> or I can swipe right and all are announced:
> Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
> As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
> to a “Send” button.
> The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even though 
> the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard shows 
> and the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to go 
> back to the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” button at 
> the very bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to change back to 
> the regular keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if I double tap it 
> it goes back to “Emoji, selected” but the keyboard stays on text until I tap 
> this again. Like I said, this is just a bit inconsistent, but everything else 
> for me seems to be perfectly accessible.
> If I want to send a voice recording instead of a text message I can tap on 
> “Voice” and the entire button part of the screen above the home button but 
> all the way across becomes a big “Record” button. You have to double tap and 
> hold this just as in Whats App messenger and after you let go anything you 
> record is automatically sent.
> Tap on “Text” at the far left of that row of icons to get out of voice 
> recording mode and bring the on-screen keyboard back.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: do not update messenger above V100!!!
>  
> Hi folks
>  
> Since messenger 100.1 the app has become dramatically less accessible.
>  
> This is the report I sent to facebook this afternoon. So don’t update the app!
>  
> The latest update of Messenger 101.0 is very unaccessible, most buttons and 
> tabs are nolonger labeled. this has been the case for update 100.1 as well, 
> despite numerous messages sent by the blind community Facebook refused to 
> restore accessibility. Now this issue will be sent over by me to numerous 
> newspapers and all forums of the blind community saying that facebook is 
> reluctant to solve these accessibility issues since update 100.1.
> If facebook is nolonger willing to take accessibility into consideration for 
> Messenger usage, please make the latest update before v100.1 back available 
> on the Apple appstore.
> Regards
> Davy
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RE: do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Davy,

I updated to whatever the latest update was yesterday and have no issues. Can 
you be more specific wit some examples where you have problems or where things 
are not labelled?
I noticed that the third of out the 5 tabs at the bottom is not labelled, for 
me it says from left to right:
Home, Calls, Tab 3 of 5, Groups, People
When I double tap on where Voiceover says “Tab 3 of 5” Voiceover says “Tap to 
take photo or video” and I get a screen with a Close button at the top left, 
then a button to turn the flash on, a button to “Flip Camera” which is followed 
by Voiceover saying “Backfacing Camera” and then I have buttons labelled 
“Stickers”, “Draw”, “Text” and a “Previous” and “Next” button.
If I go to the “Home” tab I see all my conversations, I have a “Settings” 
button at the top left, a search field in the middle and a “New Conversation” 
button at the top right.
My conversations are announced as to whether they are “Unread” if they are new 
and Voiceover says “Actions available” which tells me there are rotor options 
which are Activate (default), Mute, Delete and More.
More gives me a pop-up menu with Block, Mark as Spam, Archive, Mark as Unread 
(or mark as read if it’s unread) and Cancel.
If I double tap to open a conversation I get a “Home, back” button at the top 
left, the name of the person in the middle followed by when they were last 
active and at the top right are “Audio Call” and “Video Call”.
I am just looking at a message where somebody just sent me a single message, it 
is read out perfectly with time and all and if I swipe right Voiceover says 
“Type in message… text field is editing”.
Underneath this is a row of items I can find by touching/dragging my finger or 
I can swipe right and all are announced:
Emoji, Camera, Photos, Stickers, Gifs, Voice, Games, More and Like.
As soon as I start typing something th “Like” button at the far right changes 
to a “Send” button.
The only oddity is that the far left item, Emoji, says “Selected” even though 
the regular keyboard is up. If I double tap on it the Emoji keyboard shows and 
the icon now says “Text, selected” and I can double tap on that to go back to 
the regular keyboard or there is also a “Toggle Text input” button at the very 
bottom left of the Emoji keyboard. If I use this to change back to the regular 
keyboard the top left item now says “Text” and if I double tap it it goes back 
to “Emoji, selected” but the keyboard stays on text until I tap this again. 
Like I said, this is just a bit inconsistent, but everything else for me seems 
to be perfectly accessible.
If I want to send a voice recording instead of a text message I can tap on 
“Voice” and the entire button part of the screen above the home button but all 
the way across becomes a big “Record” button. You have to double tap and hold 
this just as in Whats App messenger and after you let go anything you record is 
automatically sent.
Tap on “Text” at the far left of that row of icons to get out of voice 
recording mode and bring the on-screen keyboard back.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: do not update messenger above V100!!!

Hi folks

Since messenger 100.1 the app has become dramatically less accessible.

This is the report I sent to facebook this afternoon. So don’t update the app!

The latest update of Messenger 101.0 is very unaccessible, most buttons and 
tabs are nolonger labeled. this has been the case for update 100.1 as well, 
despite numerous messages sent by the blind community Facebook refused to 
restore accessibility. Now this issue will be sent over by me to numerous 
newspapers and all forums of the blind community saying that facebook is 
reluctant to solve these accessibility issues since update 100.1.
If facebook is nolonger willing to take accessibility into consideration for 
Messenger usage, please make the latest update before v100.1 back available on 
the Apple appstore.
Regards
Davy
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RE: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think people should write to Apple Accessibility and point out that the rotor 
can be too cluttered to be efficient and Apple should maybe come up with a 
better way to do certain things especially frequent things like changing from 
character to word or line or to select things like headings, form controls, 
tables, lists, links etc. on web pages. I don't think we need to give 
suggestions, after all that why Apple has smart people in their teams, they can 
come up with better ways to do stuff just like they came up with a better and 
easier way to move apps. Just tell them to not stop and leave things at where 
they are but to continue to innovate and make things better and also to maybe 
offer choices on how to accomplish things because while the rotor works for me 
it may not for somebody else who has issues with making certain movements. 
Wrist strain doesn't even come into play for me because I don't use my wrist to 
make the rotor gesture, it doesn't have to be so pronounced, just moving two 
fingers in opposite directions works fine. On the other hand I have hand 
injuries from my accident which also caused my blindness and in my case this 
means I only have 3 fingers on each hand (index and middle fingers are missing) 
so a 4-finger tap for me means I have to put the phone down and use both hands 
to do it, not very efficient and I wish there were an easier way to move to the 
end of a page.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

I don't find the angle gestures in Talk Back to be impossible to use. I don't 
recall a time when I struggled with them. I know some complain about them, but 
some iPhone users complain about the roter as well.

I personally prefer the Talk Back approach. The things I access the most in the 
roter are the granularity settings, e.g. character, word, line, and in Talk 
Back, I can change these with a flick up or down. If I want to get to more 
options, I can bring up a context menu and then just access them out of a list, 
as Mary describes.

IMHO, the roter is overused in VoiceOver. Of course, I just may have too many 
items in it. The fact that VoiceOver may put me somewhere else in the roter, is 
nice when VoiceOver guesses right, but it can be a pain when it guesses wrong, 
and I've got to twist my way back to the settings I want to change.

I agree that the Talk Back gesture set is too limited. Hopefully the Talk Back 
and Android developers are listening to us and will open it up some in the near 
future.

On 19/01/17 22:01, Mary Otten wrote:
> The fly in the ointment with the talkback approach is that they have very few 
> gestures, and many of those they do have are the right angle gestures which 
> cause a lot of people a lot of problems. It is true that you can change the 
> jesters, which is nice. But if you are one of those who has difficulty either 
> performing or remembering those gestures, and which one goes with what 
> action, it really doesn't do you much good to have all that customizability. 
> I don't personally have a problem with the rotor, although I do wish it were 
> shorter. I am careful about what I leave in there. But depending on where I 
> am and where I need to go, it's quite a few turns or twists away.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Marie  wrote:
>>
>> This is one of the few places where I think that Talk Back on the Android is 
>> doing a better job. Instead of the rotor there is the Global context menu or 
>> the Local context menu. Talk Back will now let you change the gesture to 
>> invoke either of these menus and once there, you use the normal swiping that 
>> we are all accustomed to. I got to try this out with a newer version of Talk 
>> Back and was quite impressed. In the past the gesture to invoke these menus 
>> was all but impossible to use.
>> JMT
>> Marie
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
>>
>>
>>
>> I do think it would be a good idea if the top level menu which is accessed 
>> via the rotor could be made shorter. I think they did a good job with the 
>> language rotor, pick the language setting and then flick up and down to 
>> select your language. Maybe they could do something like that splitting up 
>> web elements and document navigation type elements, such as word line and 
>> character. Of course, it can be argued that that is an artificial 
>> separation, because you do often want to navigate by words on the web or, in 
>> a document, maybe by headings. But nothing is perfect, and I do think fewer 
>> twists of the rotor and Moore up and down flicks could be used.
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via 

How to quickly look up an app including it's price or whether it's free, was: Talking clock for on the hour announcement.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Michael and List:

Here is a link for the Voiceover Clock app:
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/voice-over-clock/id594106139?mt=8

If you or anybody else is wondering about whether an app is free or paid 
consider looking it up in a simple way, takes you no more time than to write an 
email to the list asking and of course since then you have to wait for somebody 
else to look it up or reply because maybe they know the price, it's actually a 
lot faster. I do this simply by opening Google, go to the search field and type 
in the app name followed by "on the app store" or "on iTunes". In this case I 
would write "Voiceover clock on the app store". In 9 out of 10 cases the first 
search result will be a direct link to the app I am looking for on the iTunes 
app store, I press enter on that and then use headings to find the information, 
read the description or look for the price.

If you want to set up a quick method to look up the price and are using Jaws 
and Internet Explorer or Firefox, you can do the following:
Bring up virtual find with Jaws Key+Control+F and type "Category" in the search 
field, then press enter. 
This will take you to the app category, e.g. with Voiceover clock it would say 
"Category: Lifestyle where "Lifestyle" is a link. If you were, for example, 
doing the search in Google "KNFB Reader on iTunes" and did the category search 
it would say "Category: Productivity".

The nice thing with this is that the price is always listed right above the 
category, so if you find the category and arrow up once you will either hear 
"Free" as in the case of Voiceover Clock or, in the case of KNFB Reader you 
would hear $139.99 (I am in Canada and that is the price in canadian dollars.
You can take this even a step further and set up a Jaws placemarker when you 
are on the Category and that way any time you do a Google search for an app and 
then follow the link to the app store you just type the quick nav key "K" for 
placemarker and it jumps straight to the category, arrow up once and you have 
the price. To do this, follow these steps:

1. Find the category, for example, go to where it says "Category: Lifestyle" 
when you are on the Voiceover Clock page.
2. Press Control+Shift+K to bring up the placemarker dialogue, then press Alt+A 
to add a placemarker
3. It will say "Category: Lifestyle" in the placemarker name, just edit this to 
only say "Cateegory".
4. Tab once and check the checkbox "Define for all pages on current domain"
5. Tab one more time and check the checkbox "Anchor to text"
6. Tab one more time and in the anchor to text edit box again change the text 
from "Category: Lifestyle" simply to the word "Category".
7. Tab to OK and activate it with spacebar or enter.

Now go back to Google and try another search like "KNFB Reader on iTunes" or 
"Downcast on iTunes".
Use the quick nav key "2" for heading level 2 which takes you to the heading 
"Search Results", then "3" which takes you straight to the first search result 
which is "knfbReader on the App Store - iTunes - Apple". Press enter on it.
After the page loads just press the quick nav key "K", Jaws should now say 
"Category: Productivity", arrow up once for the price and that's it. I just 
timed myself doing a search starting from right here as I am writing this post.
I used my Windows Key+1 shortcut which loads Internet Explorer, then I typed in 
"Tap Tap See on iTunes" and pressed enter, then I did the "2" and "3", pressed 
enter on the search result and after the page loaded I pressed "K" and arrowed 
up once to hear "Free". All of this took about 10 seconds.

Keep in mind that this will not work on an iPhone if you want to look up an app 
you have already installed.
Whether you use Safari or the Google app to search, once you find the link to 
an app you already have on your phone it will actually open the App Store app 
with the app loaded. You will have an "Open" button instead of the "Get" button 
which you would have if an app is free or the button showing the price if it is 
paid. Of course if you have never bought/downloaded the app this would still 
work although it's much faster to do this on a computer with Jaws. I assume 
NVDA may have similar quick nav keys you can use and maybe the Mac does as 
well, but I'm not sure if NVDA or the Mac has the ability to set a placemarker 
or to do a virtual find for "Category".


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael McKay
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking clock for on the hour announcement.

Hi! Folks: I am wondering if anybody knows if the voice over clock app has a 
price tag on it, or is it free. Please let me know. I was thinking about 
checking out something like that for myself.

Thanks much in advance.

Michael G. McKay BA,' 05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 15:50, Appleman 

Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

[Marie]

Oh I agree, the right angle gestures are terrible. But I was able to 
reassign the left/right swipe for the global menu and the right/left swipe 
for the local. I found these easy to perform and to remember. Once the menu 
is up there are some great links like going directly to your talk back 
setting, etc. I don't have any major issue with the rotor but there are 
times when it seems I have to go around it twice to find what I want. 
Fortunately I don't have the mobility problems that some have so it is not a 
big deal.

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

The fly in the ointment with the talkback approach is that they have very 
few gestures, and many of those they do have are the right angle gestures 
which cause a lot of people a lot of problems. It is true that you can 
change the jesters, which is nice. But if you are one of those who has 
difficulty either performing or remembering those gestures, and which one 
goes with what action, it really doesn't do you much good to have all that 
customizability. I don't personally have a problem with the rotor, although 
I do wish it were shorter. I am careful about what I leave in there. But 
depending on where I am and where I need to go, it's quite a few turns or 
twists away.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Marie  wrote:

This is one of the few places where I think that Talk Back on the Android 
is doing a better job. Instead of the rotor there is the Global context 
menu or the Local context menu. Talk Back will now let you change the 
gesture to invoke either of these menus and once there, you use the normal 
swiping that we are all accustomed to. I got to try this out with a newer 
version of Talk Back and was quite impressed. In the past the gesture to 
invoke these menus was all but impossible to use.

JMT
Marie


-Original Message- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?



I do think it would be a good idea if the top level menu which is accessed 
via the rotor could be made shorter. I think they did a good job with the 
language rotor, pick the language setting and then flick up and down to 
select your language. Maybe they could do something like that splitting up 
web elements and document navigation type elements, such as word line and 
character. Of course, it can be argued that that is an artificial 
separation, because you do often want to navigate by words on the web or, 
in a document, maybe by headings. But nothing is perfect, and I do think 
fewer twists of the rotor and Moore up and down flicks could be used.



On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


HI all,


I've not written for a good while but have had something nagging around 
that I wanted views upon, so here it is!



As our i devices have grown in features, so I have found that the rotor 
system has become rather more of an irksome task. I have most of the 
items offered on my rotor and have noticed a certain amount of wrist 
strain in sometimes needing to turn it several times in succession on web 
pages, etc.



I am wondering if this rotor needs to be re-constructed, perhaps having 
two so that you can divide the rotor into better sections and change the 
rotor setting (to 1 or 2) via a designated keystroke.



First, am I the only one who finds this a little cumbersome and, 
secondly, what do you think to the kind of idea I'd like to suggest?



If indeed people think they'd like to see a change, perhaps you could 
give your ideas a whirl here also and then we can all speak with a number 
of voices to tell Apple what we think we'd like/need.



I look forward to receiving some feedback on this issue.


Thanks.


Carol P - UK


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Re: convert youtube to music files

[Alan Lemly]

Sandy, 

I had forgotten that you were doing everything on an iPhone when I replied 
last. I'm sure that's what's causing you your download problem. I don't believe 
iOS allows a direct download to your device unless you go through a cloud 
service like Dropbox and I'm not sure how to do that in this case. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:43 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> I am wondering then, might this be a mobile platform problem? I'm doing 
> everything only on my iPhone. as I said, I have successfully downloaded 
> shorter programs. we have a rather slow Internet connection here, but it does 
> work, I can watch YouTube files, for example, but with this sat this seems to 
> be some kind of links or timeout issue.
> Thanks for all the help though, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 19 Jan 2017, at 20:27, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sandy,
>>  
>> It converted my 1 hour and 43 minute movie in seconds and as Alan said, 
>> there was a message that it was done, but I could not find the Download 
>> button until I looked with the Jaws cursor. I was using Internet Explorer 
>> and with the Jaws cursor I was able to click on it, the standard "Open" or 
>> "Save" thing popped up and I clicked save, then the 51 Mb file took maybe 6 
>> or 8 seconds to download and it then was in my Downloads folder. When I 
>> pressed enter on it iTunes opened up and it started playing.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 11:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: convert youtube to music files
>>  
>> Sandy, 
>>  
>> After you've pasted in the url of the YouTube video from which you want to 
>> extract the audio, you execute a convert to mp3 button and wait a few 
>> seconds. You should receive a message that converting your YouTube video to 
>> mp3 worked and there will be a download button near the top of the screen 
>> that you execute to start the download. It is right above a convert another 
>> video button. 
>>  
>> Alan Lemly 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:58 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I have used this for TV programmes, such as Blackaddar! And it worked 
>> well! But, for longer programmes, such as Montalbano, at least an hour long, 
>> it gets stuck at 79 percent and thats it! Blackadder is only 30 minutes.
>>  
>> They say it is good for listening to off line, however, I can't find how 
>> to save or store the files, does anyone know?
>>  
>> Sandy. 
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>> On 19 Jan 2017, at 16:32, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Gianni,
>>  
>> I'm curious which website you tried for extracting mp3 from youtube. I've 
>> posted about the Ytmp3.com  site for doing this but admit it seems geared 
>> for extracting music. I'm not sure whether it has a limitation in terms of 
>> youtube video size but it is very easy to use. Here's the website:
>>  
>> https://ytmp3.com/
>>  
>> Alan Lemly
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Gianni
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:10 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: convert youtube to music files
>>  
>> Hi,
>> What is the best app to convert youtube to a music file (best quality) on 
>> iPhone or Mac? I tried using a website but there is a limit of youtube 
>> videos from 20 minutes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gianni
>>  
>> Skype: giannijuve
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Taking videos as a blind person

[Dan Rathburn]

Hello,

You might use Facetime to connect to a sighted person that can give you 
directions as to how to point the camera on whichever device you choose to use 
for the video.

Good luck,

Dan



The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or not.


From: Stephanie 
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 12:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Taking videos as a blind person


I've just been offered the chance to produce a short 5 min video on the basic 
of piano playing. I have an iphone se, an ipod and an ipad. Is there an easy 
way to shot a good quality video? I do have a zom mic that conects in to my 
phone. What I need to know is how to do the video side of things? How do I make 
sure my face and hands are showing at abbl times?
Any tips or resources on how to do this would be pch appreciated!
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do not update messenger above V100!!!

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Since messenger 100.1 the app has become dramatically less accessible.

This is the report I sent to facebook this afternoon. So don’t update the app!

The latest update of Messenger 101.0 is very unaccessible, most buttons and 
tabs are nolonger labeled. this has been the case for update 100.1 as well, 
despite numerous messages sent by the blind community Facebook refused to 
restore accessibility. Now this issue will be sent over by me to numerous 
newspapers and all forums of the blind community saying that facebook is 
reluctant to solve these accessibility issues since update 100.1.
If facebook is nolonger willing to take accessibility into consideration for 
Messenger usage, please make the latest update before v100.1 back available on 
the Apple appstore.
Regards
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Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

[Christopher Chaltain]

One person having a problem with a gesture or even multiple people 
complaining about it doesn't mean it's almost impossible to use. That 
would be like me going on an Android list and saying that the roter or 
scrub gestures in VoiceOver are almost impossible to use. I don't have 
trouble with either gesture, but there are certainly those on this list 
who do. The gesture I have the most problem with is the four finger tap 
at the bottom of the screen to get to the end of a page, but I've never 
said that it's almost impossible to jump to the end of a page in 
VoiceOver. The most I'd ever say is that it's a gesture I have problems 
with. I just think we do each other a disservice when we use hyperbole 
and end up mis characterizing another option that might appeal to 
someone else.


On 19/01/17 23:04, Mary Otten wrote:

To each their own. I have had three android devices, make that four, I forgot 
about my first Nexus seven. And none of them worked all the time with the angle 
gestures. They just don't for me. Hit and miss. And that's inefficient. And 
judging from the amount of complaints I've heard, I am surely not alone.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I don't find the angle gestures in Talk Back to be impossible to use. I don't 
recall a time when I struggled with them. I know some complain about them, but 
some iPhone users complain about the roter as well.

I personally prefer the Talk Back approach. The things I access the most in the 
roter are the granularity settings, e.g. character, word, line, and in Talk 
Back, I can change these with a flick up or down. If I want to get to more 
options, I can bring up a context menu and then just access them out of a list, 
as Mary describes.

IMHO, the roter is overused in VoiceOver. Of course, I just may have too many 
items in it. The fact that VoiceOver may put me somewhere else in the roter, is 
nice when VoiceOver guesses right, but it can be a pain when it guesses wrong, 
and I've got to twist my way back to the settings I want to change.

I agree that the Talk Back gesture set is too limited. Hopefully the Talk Back 
and Android developers are listening to us and will open it up some in the near 
future.


On 19/01/17 22:01, Mary Otten wrote:
The fly in the ointment with the talkback approach is that they have very few 
gestures, and many of those they do have are the right angle gestures which 
cause a lot of people a lot of problems. It is true that you can change the 
jesters, which is nice. But if you are one of those who has difficulty either 
performing or remembering those gestures, and which one goes with what action, 
it really doesn't do you much good to have all that customizability. I don't 
personally have a problem with the rotor, although I do wish it were shorter. I 
am careful about what I leave in there. But depending on where I am and where I 
need to go, it's quite a few turns or twists away.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Marie  wrote:

This is one of the few places where I think that Talk Back on the Android is 
doing a better job. Instead of the rotor there is the Global context menu or 
the Local context menu. Talk Back will now let you change the gesture to invoke 
either of these menus and once there, you use the normal swiping that we are 
all accustomed to. I got to try this out with a newer version of Talk Back and 
was quite impressed. In the past the gesture to invoke these menus was all but 
impossible to use.
JMT
Marie


-Original Message- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?



I do think it would be a good idea if the top level menu which is accessed via 
the rotor could be made shorter. I think they did a good job with the language 
rotor, pick the language setting and then flick up and down to select your 
language. Maybe they could do something like that splitting up web elements and 
document navigation type elements, such as word line and character. Of course, 
it can be argued that that is an artificial separation, because you do often 
want to navigate by words on the web or, in a document, maybe by headings. But 
nothing is perfect, and I do think fewer twists of the rotor and Moore up and 
down flicks could be used.



On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

HI all,


I've not written for a good while but have had something nagging around that I 
wanted views upon, so here it is!


As our i devices have grown in features, so I have found that the rotor system 
has become rather more of an irksome task. I have most of the items offered on 
my rotor and have noticed a certain amount of wrist strain in sometimes needing 
to turn it several times in succession on web pages, etc.


I am wondering if this rotor needs to be re-constructed, perhaps having 

Re: Need Help with Spelling Out Words When Using VoiceDream Reader

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
When I use BDR, I never use the play function, I only ever use voice-over to 
read. if you do this, using all the usual gestures, you can navigate line by 
line et cetera and find your word and read it character by character. 

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 20 Jan 2017, at 02:43, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, navigating by characters is not an option within Voice Dream 
> Reader, but if you pause the reading in time or even navigate back a 
> sentence, you can slide your finger down the screen and find the line where 
> the word occurs and use the standard VoiceOver gestures to get to the word 
> and spell it out.
> 
> I hope that helps,
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Subject: Need Help with Spelling Out Words When Using VoiceDream Reader
> 
> All,
> 
> I am using VoiceDream Reader to read a technical manual from BookShare, and 
> there are times when I need to hear the spelling of a word character by 
> character.
> 
> I am somewhat of a new user to VoiceDream, and I cannot seem to figure out 
> the easiest way to accomplish this.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam
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Re: convert youtube to music files

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I am wondering then, might this be a mobile platform problem? I'm doing 
everything only on my iPhone. as I said, I have successfully downloaded shorter 
programs. we have a rather slow Internet connection here, but it does work, I 
can watch YouTube files, for example, but with this sat this seems to be some 
kind of links or timeout issue.
Thanks for all the help though, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 19 Jan 2017, at 20:27, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy,
>  
> It converted my 1 hour and 43 minute movie in seconds and as Alan said, there 
> was a message that it was done, but I could not find the Download button 
> until I looked with the Jaws cursor. I was using Internet Explorer and with 
> the Jaws cursor I was able to click on it, the standard "Open" or "Save" 
> thing popped up and I clicked save, then the 51 Mb file took maybe 6 or 8 
> seconds to download and it then was in my Downloads folder. When I pressed 
> enter on it iTunes opened up and it started playing.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 11:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: convert youtube to music files
>  
> Sandy, 
>  
> After you've pasted in the url of the YouTube video from which you want to 
> extract the audio, you execute a convert to mp3 button and wait a few 
> seconds. You should receive a message that converting your YouTube video to 
> mp3 worked and there will be a download button near the top of the screen 
> that you execute to start the download. It is right above a convert another 
> video button. 
>  
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:58 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I have used this for TV programmes, such as Blackaddar! And it worked 
> well! But, for longer programmes, such as Montalbano, at least an hour long, 
> it gets stuck at 79 percent and thats it! Blackadder is only 30 minutes.
>  
> They say it is good for listening to off line, however, I can't find how 
> to save or store the files, does anyone know?
>  
> Sandy. 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 16:32, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Gianni,
>  
> I'm curious which website you tried for extracting mp3 from youtube. I've 
> posted about the Ytmp3.com  site for doing this but admit it seems geared for 
> extracting music. I'm not sure whether it has a limitation in terms of 
> youtube video size but it is very easy to use. Here's the website:
>  
> https://ytmp3.com/
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gianni
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: convert youtube to music files
>  
> Hi,
> What is the best app to convert youtube to a music file (best quality) on 
> iPhone or Mac? I tried using a website but there is a limit of youtube videos 
> from 20 minutes.
> 
> 
> 
> Gianni
>  
> Skype: giannijuve
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Re: convert youtube to music files

[Gianni]

Thanks Alan.

I'll try it.

I used to convert with youtube-mp3.com I think.


Gianni

Skype: giannijuve
Sent from my iPhone

> Op 19-jan.-2017 om 21:27 heeft Sieghard Weitzel  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Sandy,
>  
> It converted my 1 hour and 43 minute movie in seconds and as Alan said, there 
> was a message that it was done, but I could not find the Download button 
> until I looked with the Jaws cursor. I was using Internet Explorer and with 
> the Jaws cursor I was able to click on it, the standard "Open" or "Save" 
> thing popped up and I clicked save, then the 51 Mb file took maybe 6 or 8 
> seconds to download and it then was in my Downloads folder. When I pressed 
> enter on it iTunes opened up and it started playing.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 11:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: convert youtube to music files
>  
> Sandy, 
>  
> After you've pasted in the url of the YouTube video from which you want to 
> extract the audio, you execute a convert to mp3 button and wait a few 
> seconds. You should receive a message that converting your YouTube video to 
> mp3 worked and there will be a download button near the top of the screen 
> that you execute to start the download. It is right above a convert another 
> video button. 
>  
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:58 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I have used this for TV programmes, such as Blackaddar! And it worked 
> well! But, for longer programmes, such as Montalbano, at least an hour long, 
> it gets stuck at 79 percent and thats it! Blackadder is only 30 minutes.
>  
> They say it is good for listening to off line, however, I can't find how 
> to save or store the files, does anyone know?
>  
> Sandy. 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 16:32, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Gianni,
>  
> I'm curious which website you tried for extracting mp3 from youtube. I've 
> posted about the Ytmp3.com  site for doing this but admit it seems geared for 
> extracting music. I'm not sure whether it has a limitation in terms of 
> youtube video size but it is very easy to use. Here's the website:
>  
> https://ytmp3.com/
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gianni
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: convert youtube to music files
>  
> Hi,
> What is the best app to convert youtube to a music file (best quality) on 
> iPhone or Mac? I tried using a website but there is a limit of youtube videos 
> from 20 minutes.
> 
> 
> 
> Gianni
>  
> Skype: giannijuve
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