Re: Question about west minster chime app

[christopher hallsworth]

1. Settings.
2. Notifications.
3. Westminster Chimes.
4. Choose none next to select alert style.
For reference you do not change notification settings in Notification Centre.


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> On 17 Oct 2014, at 17:33, Lori Dent  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris  and all,
>  
> Chris thank you  for telling me  what I need to turn off or leave on in the 
> west minster chimes app in notification. Now I have  a few more questions 
> about west minster chimes app and notifications center. When I double tap on 
> the notification center  it lists all the apps I have in the notification 
> center. Now do I go down and find my west minster app  and double tap on that 
> which I did.  Now from this point is where I need assistance at.I never 
> have done anything in the notification center before so I'm not sure how to 
> turn off or leave on the required alerts or banners. Can you go through them 
> with me one by one and tell me how to turn off or leave on the required 
> alerts and banners  and whatever else  in the west minster chimes app in 
> notifications center. 
>  
> What does this mean alerts require an action before proceeding?Howdo I do an 
> action to prceed? I'm confused about how to do these different things in the 
> notification center for my apps. Please help. It would be very much 
> appreciated. Thanks.
>  
> Lori and the Gipper
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Re: settings app on iphone5s crashing when attempting to change mail sound IOS 8.0.2

[christopher hallsworth]

I can duplicate this on my 4s. Annoying but not a show stopper.

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> On 17 Oct 2014, at 20:02, Shai  wrote:
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> Hello,
> When I attempt to go to settings/sound/new mail sound and swipe past
> the store option to vibration, I notice that the settings app on my
> iPhone5s crashes and takes me back to the home screen.  Has anyone
> else noticed this? Thinking that it was too many apps in the switcher,
> I quit a few apps and also rebooted my phone but none of these
> solutions worked.
> I also tried quitting the settings app itself in the switcher but
> this did not resolve the problem either.
> Thanks in advance for any responses
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Re: iOS nine! what are the new features?

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah, go here
www.applevis.com 
the "mainstream" new features will be covered all over the internet.
Chris
> On 16 Sep 2015, at 19:22, Cris Ali  wrote:
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> Hello folks,
> I have installed iOS nine on my 4S, and it seems to be running fine.  
> However, What are the new features of iOS nine?  Is there a post that lists a 
> summary of the new features?
> Regards,
> Cris
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Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

[christopher hallsworth]

I believe this bug is not device specific nor is it situation specific. It will 
only rear its ugly head if the ringtone fades in and out as if VoiceOver is 
ducking system or other audio.
> On 16 Sep 2015, at 19:11, Nancy Feldman  wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, I've successfully upgraded and received three phone 
> calls. None of them has resulted in unusual or unstable behavior from the 
> phone and I was able to answer it from the earbuds and from the screen.
> 
> I appreciate being made aware of the possibility, but I opted to take my 
> chances, and have no concerns so far.
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 11:52, Jenifer Barr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wow Jonathan!!! Thanks for the list. While I gladly bought your book... I'll 
>> wait for the next version hopefully in a week or so!! 
>> 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Cristóbal > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Geez. So I think I’m going to wait for the first 9.x update. Significatn 
>>> bugs for sure. 
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: My top iOS 9 Bugs
>>>  
>>> Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think you 
>>> might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
>>> I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
>>> predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
>>> Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
>>> minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your 
>>> device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you 
>>> might like to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a 
>>> bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following 
>>> iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should 
>>> consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if 
>>> anything below concerns you.
>>> 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant 
>>> accessibility bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to 
>>> the number of people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at 
>>> present, even after extensive testing with a range of people owning 
>>> different devices, I have no information about why it affects some users, 
>>> but not others. It is not device specific, for example it is happening to 
>>> me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I know iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem 
>>> isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to be affected by any setting. If you're 
>>> lucky, it won't happen to you, but the only way I am aware of to determine 
>>> this is to upgrade.
>>> This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to 
>>> the headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
>>> manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. 
>>> You can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
>>> ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
>>> audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if 
>>> you press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the 
>>> screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but 
>>> the entire phone has as well.
>>> If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead 
>>> opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
>>> review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
>>> Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
>>> double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked 
>>> up.
>>> The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able 
>>> to answer a call.
>>> Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
>>> phone is set to silent.
>>> If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal 
>>> breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
>>> What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent 
>>> for some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are 
>>> present for all users. For example, some people experience the issues I 
>>> have described when they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not 
>>> when the phone is ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button 
>>> on their EarPods, while others cannot.
>>> If you upgrade and are affected by this, here are a few things to try.
>>> (A) If you have the more moderate version of this bug, avoid pressing the 
>>> power button when you receive an incoming

Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

[christopher hallsworth]

Not really, but there is one bug that has been mentioned in this thread.
> On 16 Sep 2015, at 21:06, Melissa Tucker  wrote:
> 
> does ios9 give any problems for people using a braille display?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I always religiously update to the latest version of an Os when it comes out, 
> if it works it does, if not… well shrug.
> /Krister
> 
>> 16 sep. 2015 kl. 20:02 skrev Mike Arrigo :
>> 
>> In general, I think it's always good to wait until at least the first major 
>> update, sometimes the second of any new operating system so the major bugs 
>> can get worked out. Upgrading to a new version of an operating system as 
>> soon as it's released is far too risky.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think you 
>>> might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
>>> I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
>>> predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
>>> Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
>>> minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your 
>>> device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you 
>>> might like to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a 
>>> bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following 
>>> iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should 
>>> consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if 
>>> anything below concerns you.
>>> 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant 
>>> accessibility bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to 
>>> the number of people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at 
>>> present, even after extensive testing with a range of people owning 
>>> different devices, I have no information about why it affects some users, 
>>> but not others. It is not device specific, for example it is happening to 
>>> me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I know iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem 
>>> isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to be affected by any setting. If you're 
>>> lucky, it won't happen to you, but the only way I am aware of to determine 
>>> this is to upgrade.
>>> This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to 
>>> the headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
>>> manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. 
>>> You can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
>>> ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
>>> audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if 
>>> you press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the 
>>> screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but 
>>> the entire phone has as well.
>>> If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead 
>>> opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
>>> review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
>>> Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
>>> double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked 
>>> up.
>>> The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able 
>>> to answer a call.
>>> Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
>>> phone is set to silent.
>>> If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal 
>>> breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
>>> What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent 
>>> for some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are 
>>> present for all users. For example, some people experience the issues I 
>>> have described when they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not 
>>> when the phone is ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button 
>>> on their EarPods, while others cannot.
>>> If you upgrade and are affected by this, here are a few things to try.
>>> (A) If you have the more moderate version of this bug, avoid pressing the 
>>> power button when you receive an incoming call.
>>> (B) Turning off audio ducking seems to help a little for some users.
>>> (C) If you can't answer a call with a two-finger double-tap, try pressing 
>>> the button on your EarPods or similar device if you have such a device 
>>> connected.
>>> (D) If all else fails, you can disconnect any device from the headphone 
>>> jack, answer the call with a two-finger double-tap, then reconnect the 
>>> device to the headphone jack.
>>> (E) Given the critical nature of this bug, if you've upgraded and now find 
>>> yourself afflicted by it, enrol in the iOS beta program so you can receive 
>>> early copies of any fixes Appl

Re: Update Question

[christopher hallsworth]

Try touching the "download and install" button. Or try updating via iTunes.
Chris
> On 16 Sep 2015, at 20:40, Destene Noller  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> My husband just finished updating his iPad and now is updating his phone.  
> Each time I go into Settings under Software Update, iOS 9 comes up, but it 
> says it is dimmed.  Is this simply because the servers are too busy?  Thanks!
> 
> Desi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: can you disable having to enter A password to unlck your phone in IOS 9

[christopher hallsworth]

You can. There is an options button. One of them is to not use a passcode. This 
did not come up after my upgrade on my iPhone 5s where I have a passcode 
already. On the iPad Mini 2, it was basically a small update from the GM to the 
public release, so no changes were required. But I did get this screen when I 
updated from 8.4.1 to the GM.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 06:05, Casey  wrote:
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> Hi I just upgraded to IOS 9 and I don't want to have to enter A password to 
> unlock my phone.
> So if you can disable this future how do you do it if you can?
> 
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Re: From 3GS to 4S

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Correct. I remember the first developer beta of iOS 9 ran really well on my 4s 
and was actually more snappier than iOS 8.x could ever be on that device. 
Strange, but true.
Chris
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 04:50, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I have an iPhone 4S running IOS 8.4.1 right now, and although it's not as 
> snappy as the iPhone I got from my employer, it's still very usable. I've 
> heard IOS 9 will run better on the older hardware, so I'm looking forward to 
> giving it a try.
> 
> On 09/16/2015 09:35 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
>>  HI guys
>> I'm coming over from an IPhone 3GS with IOs6.1.3 to a 4S which i'll be
>> given for my birthday in a few weeks, thus am wondering if what to
>> expect in terms of catching up with features not found in IOs6 like
>> Siri, the Control center (swiping three fingers upwards instead of down
>> to go to the Notification area), thus what tips, or podcasts  would you
>> recommend to get myself up to date? I don't know if the IPhone will come
>> with IOs8.4. latest or nine.
>> Also what to expect when working the 4S with either IOs8.4 latest
>> especially? Sluggishness, or does it work alright taking into account
>> the processor and other factors?
>> Thanks for any tips, thus I want to be prepared. And yes it's kind of
>> ill-mannered saying no to such a present, thus as long as it works!
>> 
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Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

[christopher hallsworth]

It does, and it may impact those with residual or no hearing at all. If you 
turn Airplane mode on, then turn bluetooth back on, your Braille display will 
not automatically connect. You then need to go into Settings > general > 
accessibility > VoiceOver > Braille and double tap on your display to connect 
again. But the problem doesn't end there. While still in Airplane Mode, if you 
lock your device and unlock it again, the display will once again not connect 
automatically. You will have to do the above to connect again.
Chris
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 04:10, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> 
> According to Applevis, it does
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Melissa Tucker
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs
> 
> does ios9 give any problems for people using a braille display?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I always religiously update to the latest version of an Os when it comes out, 
> if it works it does, if not… well shrug.
> /Krister
> 
>> 16 sep. 2015 kl. 20:02 skrev Mike Arrigo :
>> 
>> In general, I think it's always good to wait until at least the first major 
>> update, sometimes the second of any new operating system so the major bugs 
>> can get worked out. Upgrading to a new version of an operating system as 
>> soon as it's released is far too risky.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think you 
>>> might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
>>> I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
>>> predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
>>> Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
>>> minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your 
>>> device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you 
>>> might like to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a 
>>> bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following 
>>> iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should 
>>> consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if 
>>> anything below concerns you.
>>> 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant 
>>> accessibility bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to 
>>> the number of people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at 
>>> present, even after extensive testing with a range of people owning 
>>> different devices, I have no information about why it affects some users, 
>>> but not others. It is not device specific, for example it is happening to 
>>> me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I know iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem 
>>> isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to be affected by any setting. If you're 
>>> lucky, it won't happen to you, but the only way I am aware of to determine 
>>> this is to upgrade.
>>> This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to 
>>> the headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
>>> manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. 
>>> You can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
>>> ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
>>> audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if 
>>> you press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the 
>>> screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but 
>>> the entire phone has as well.
>>> If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead 
>>> opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
>>> review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
>>> Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
>>> double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked 
>>> up.
>>> The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able 
>>> to answer a call.
>>> Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
>>> phone is set to silent.
>>> If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal 
>>> breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
>>> What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent 
>>> for some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are 
>>> present for all users. For example, some people experience the issues I 
>>> have described when they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not 
>>> when the phone is ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button 
>>> on their EarPods, while others cannot.
>>> If you upgrade and are affected by this, here are a few things to tr

Re: apple music revisited

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes. Apple Music will be coming to the third generation Apple TV. When is 
anybody's guess. I thought it was yesterday, no dice. So could be any time now 
or as late as when the new Apple TV arrives.
Chris
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 03:43, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
> 
> They said it was during the key note.
> 
> On 9/16/15, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>> now that ios9 is out, anyone know yet if apple music will be coming to the
>> 3rd gen apple tv? I'd hope so, as the next one won't ship unsil october
>> sometime. ya'd think they'd wanna make it available now. thanks!
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Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

[christopher hallsworth]

Not here on my iPhone 5s. Doubt it would be on my iPad Mini 2 either, but can't 
say for sure as haven't tried them on there. But since they use the same 
hardware in principle, the Siri voices should work fine on there also.
Chris
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 01:17, Shai  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The setting of the Siri voices for VoiceOver was mentioned on
> AppleVis; however, it was also indicated that the responsiveness is
> quite sluggish while navigating.
> Have you noticed this?
> 
> 
> On 9/16/15, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
>> I've been using a VaroUltra and it works fine. Also one thing which no
>> one has mentioned is that you can now use the Siri male and female
>> voices for voice over. Just know that the male voice pronounces some
>> vowels strangely.
>> 
>> On 9/16/15, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> Hi Neal. My understanding is that if you are affected, it will also
>>> happen
>>> if you have your phone on silent. If you just have your phone unmuted and
>>> on
>>> speaker, it appears to be OK as far as I know.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
 On 17/09/2015, at 9:38 AM, Neal Ewers  wrote:
 
 Jonathan. Is this phone problem a problem only when using something
 connected to the phone such as ear buds or a bluetooth device? Or, does
 it
 also effect phone calls if you are using none of these devices and only
 using the microphone and speaker in the phone?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On
 Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 12:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: My top iOS 9 Bugs
 
 Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think
 you
 might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
 I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than
 its predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll
 enjoy. Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that
 range from minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how
 you
 use your device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a
 few that you might like to take into consideration before deciding
 whether
 to wait for a bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a
 few
 days following iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade
 again, so you should consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and
 proceed with caution if anything below concerns you.
 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant
 accessibility bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due
 to
 the number of people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at
 present, even after extensive testing with a range of people owning
 different devices, I have no information about why it affects some
 users,
 but not others. It is not device specific, for example it is happening
 to
 me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I know iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem
 isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to be affected by any setting. If
 you're
 lucky, it won't happen to you, but the only way I am aware of to
 determine
 this is to upgrade.
 This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to
 the headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing
 bug
 manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call.
 You can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because
 your ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver
 causes
 system audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this
 point, if you press the power button to silence the ringer and then
 flick
 through the screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become
 unresponsive, but the entire phone has as well.
 If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but
 instead opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer
 button or review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
 Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger
 double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively
 locked
 up.
 The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be
 able
 to answer a call.
 Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when
 their
 phone is set to silent.
 If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal
 breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
 What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it compl

Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

[christopher hallsworth]

It cannot be duplicated since it is not device specific nor is it situation 
specific.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 09:28, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone been able to duplicate point 1? That's my whole hesitation of 
> updating because I constantly use earbuds.
> Thanks. 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think you 
>> might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
>> I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
>> predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
>> Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
>> minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your 
>> device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you 
>> might like to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a 
>> bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following 
>> iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should 
>> consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if 
>> anything below concerns you.
>> 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant accessibility 
>> bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to the number of 
>> people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at present, even after 
>> extensive testing with a range of people owning different devices, I have no 
>> information about why it affects some users, but not others. It is not 
>> device specific, for example it is happening to me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but 
>> I know iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem isn't so severe. Nor does it 
>> seem to be affected by any setting. If you're lucky, it won't happen to you, 
>> but the only way I am aware of to determine this is to upgrade.
>> This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to the 
>> headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
>> manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. You 
>> can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
>> ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
>> audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if 
>> you press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the 
>> screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but 
>> the entire phone has as well.
>> If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead 
>> opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
>> review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
>> Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
>> double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked 
>> up.
>> The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able 
>> to answer a call.
>> Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
>> phone is set to silent.
>> If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal 
>> breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
>> What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent 
>> for some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are 
>> present for all users. For example, some people experience the issues I have 
>> described when they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not when 
>> the phone is ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button on 
>> their EarPods, while others cannot.
>> If you upgrade and are affected by this, here are a few things to try.
>> (A) If you have the more moderate version of this bug, avoid pressing the 
>> power button when you receive an incoming call.
>> (B) Turning off audio ducking seems to help a little for some users.
>> (C) If you can't answer a call with a two-finger double-tap, try pressing 
>> the button on your EarPods or similar device if you have such a device 
>> connected.
>> (D) If all else fails, you can disconnect any device from the headphone 
>> jack, answer the call with a two-finger double-tap, then reconnect the 
>> device to the headphone jack.
>> (E) Given the critical nature of this bug, if you've upgraded and now find 
>> yourself afflicted by it, enrol in the iOS beta program so you can receive 
>> early copies of any fixes Apple is working on. But keep in mind that since 
>> you will be running beta software, you may well be swapping one set of bugs 
>> for another.
>> 2. Bluetooth keyboard support unreliable. Sometimes, users may input double 
>> letters when typing. This is a bug that was introduced in the iOS 8 cycle, 
>> and can easily be worked around by toggling VoiceOver off and on.
>> However, a new bug now exists where at times, 

Re: Submitting App Crash Reports

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes! Text selection is awesome! I smiled from ear to ear when I saw that all 
the way back to the first developer beta of iOS 9. Try it folks, you will 
wonder how you ever lived without it. Smile!
Chris
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 08:01, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
> 
> I tried adding Edit to the roter, doing a pinch gesture, etc. but no luck. 
> When viewing a crash report I was not seeing Edit in the roter there.
> 
> However, thanks to the new Text Selection feature in iOS 9, I had no trouble 
> selecting all, copying, pasting into an email. So, I advise folks to go to 
> Voiceover Settings > Roter and add text selection. It's very handy!
> 
> Chris
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Re: is the bigger screen on the iphone worth the money?

[christopher hallsworth]

Actually, I may like the plus series of phones since I like the big screen real 
estate on an iPad. But at the time, I wasn't sure, so went for the 5s. Still a 
very good phone but I think in the future will give the plus phones a try. What 
put me off was using the earpiece on a bigger screen. But since I mostly use 
speakerphone anyway, this shouldn't have put me off. But it did.
Chris
> On 16 Sep 2015, at 04:34, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> How do you use your current iPhone? I use my 5S with one hand. And for me, 
> the 6S is going to be a stretch. The plus would be impossible. I would no 
> longer be able to use it with one hand, and that is very important to me. 
> Others may feel differently.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Steve  > wrote:
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>> Don't think that would matter, but it might matter if you use something like 
>> MBraille where you have more room for your fingers.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: R Van Lant 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:11 PM
>> Subject: is the bigger screen on the iphone worth the money?
>> 
>> I’m looking to upgrade from my iPhone 4 to one in the iphone 6 series.  I’m 
>> curious if those who have chosen a 6 plus would do it again considering that 
>> we might not make the most of the larger screen?  Does it really matter if 
>> I’m mainly using it with screen curtain on?  
>>  
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Re: To All iTunes 11 Devotees

[christopher hallsworth]

It's gone away. Use Spotlight search, go past the search field and it should be 
under siri suggestions.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 17:31, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
> Have recent contacts on the App Switcher screen gone away, or do I just need 
> to reenable that setting after the update?
> Chris
> 
> At 04:45 AM 9/17/2015, you wrote:
>> They do need to fix the app section and put it like it use to be.
>> 
>> On 9/16/2015 8:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick note to those of you who are still using iTunes 11.
>>> 
>>> The time has come to say goodbye.  That is to say, if you update your phone
>>> to iOS 9, you will need to update to iTunes 12.x in order to manage the
>>> phone on your computer.
>>> 
>>> While I do miss my beloved iTunes SideBar, I must admit that iTunes 12, in
>>> some ways, feels a little more responsive and works better for me, on
>>> Windows, via ZoomText.
>>> 
>>> Still, iTunes will never be the same without that SideBar, so to speak (sad
>>> smile).
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Compressed Boice

[christopher hallsworth]

Try settings > general > accessibility > VoiceOver > speech > default dialect 
then double tap one of the siri enhanced voices.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 16:44, cd  wrote:
> 
> How do I get the regular Siri voice back and not this compredssed voice?  I 
> also can’t get in to my bank app.   It lets me in but doesn’t give me my id 
> option.  I do hate the compressed sound voice!  Other than this the update 
> has gone very well and I like it.
>  
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Re: To All iTunes 11 Devotees

[christopher hallsworth]

Not sure about Windows, but for OS X there are supposed to be VoiceOver 
improvements in Apple Music.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 16:01, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> I see Apple has released Itunes 12.3.  I wonder how accessible it is?
> 
> -Original Message- From: M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 7:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: To All iTunes 11 Devotees
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Just a quick note to those of you who are still using iTunes 11.
> 
> The time has come to say goodbye.  That is to say, if you update your phone
> to iOS 9, you will need to update to iTunes 12.x in order to manage the
> phone on your computer.
> 
> While I do miss my beloved iTunes SideBar, I must admit that iTunes 12, in
> some ways, feels a little more responsive and works better for me, on
> Windows, via ZoomText.
> 
> Still, iTunes will never be the same without that SideBar, so to speak (sad
> smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

[christopher hallsworth]

It shouldn't. It seems to be for headsets only. Even then, they may only 
experience a mild form of this or not at all.
Chris
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 15:23, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> Let me ask about: 1. Audio routing bug.  My brother has an iphone 6 and 
> doesn’t use earbuds or headphones.  Will this bug effect him?
>  
> From: Jonathan Mosen 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: My top iOS 9 Bugs
>  
> Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think you 
> might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
> I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
> predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
> Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
> minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your 
> device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you 
> might like to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a 
> bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following 
> iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should 
> consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if 
> anything below concerns you.
> 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant accessibility 
> bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to the number of 
> people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at present, even after 
> extensive testing with a range of people owning different devices, I have no 
> information about why it affects some users, but not others. It is not device 
> specific, for example it is happening to me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I know 
> iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to be 
> affected by any setting. If you're lucky, it won't happen to you, but the 
> only way I am aware of to determine this is to upgrade.
> This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to the 
> headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
> manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. You 
> can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
> ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
> audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if you 
> press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the 
> screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but 
> the entire phone has as well.
> If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead 
> opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
> review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
> Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
> double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked up.
> The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able to 
> answer a call.
> Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
> phone is set to silent.
> If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal 
> breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
> What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent 
> for some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are present 
> for all users. For example, some people experience the issues I have 
> described when they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not when 
> the phone is ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button on 
> their EarPods, while others cannot.
> If you upgrade and are affected by this, here are a few things to try.
> (A) If you have the more moderate version of this bug, avoid pressing the 
> power button when you receive an incoming call.
> (B) Turning off audio ducking seems to help a little for some users.
> (C) If you can't answer a call with a two-finger double-tap, try pressing the 
> button on your EarPods or similar device if you have such a device connected.
> (D) If all else fails, you can disconnect any device from the headphone jack, 
> answer the call with a two-finger double-tap, then reconnect the device to 
> the headphone jack.
> (E) Given the critical nature of this bug, if you've upgraded and now find 
> yourself afflicted by it, enrol in the iOS beta program so you can receive 
> early copies of any fixes Apple is working on. But keep in mind that since 
> you will be running beta software, you may well be swapping one set of bugs 
> for another.
> 2. Bluetooth keyboard support unreliable. Sometimes, users may input double 
> letters when typing. This is a bug that was introduced in the iOS 8 cycle, 
> and can easily be worked around by toggling VoiceOver off and on.
> How

The new News app

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi all
iOS 9 sports a brand new News app which allows you to read the news straight 
from your device. But there is a catch. While it is available in the US, UK and 
Australia initially, you have to change your device's region to United States. 
To do this:

1. Open Settings > general > language and region.

2. Double tap region and double tap on "United States" in the long list of 
countries. You may want to use your rotor and set it to headings so you can 
jump to the letter quickly and easily.

3. Double tap the "done" button, and reboot your device when prompted.

I've just done this on my iPhone 5s, and now have the News app. It is 
completely accessible with VoiceOver.

Happy reading!

Chris

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Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

[christopher hallsworth]

I'm not Jonathan, but it really looks that way to me. This is partly thanks to 
Apple making the beta cycle more open than ever before thanks to its public 
beta program.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:46, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan Mosen
> 
> I'm curious & I think others ON ThisList are also curious about your opinion 
> as it pertains to iOS9
> 
> How do the PerceivedBugs and/or PerceivedFlaws CompareTo those that were 
> present IN the ReleaseOf iOS8 ... I'm Referrin'To iOS9
> 
> Did Apple conduct a MoreEfficientBetaTesting ThisTimeOut 
> At 10:15 AM 9/16/2015, you wrote:
>> Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think you 
>> might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
>> I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
>> predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
>> Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
>> minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your 
>> device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you 
>> might like to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a 
>> bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following 
>> iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should 
>> consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if 
>> anything below concerns you.
>> 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant accessibility 
>> bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to the number of 
>> people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at present, even after 
>> extensive testing with a range of people owning different devices, I have no 
>> information about why it affects some users, but not others. It is not 
>> device specific, for example it is happening to me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but 
>> I know iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem isn't so severe. Nor does it 
>> seem to be affected by any setting. If you're lucky, it won't happen to you, 
>> but the only way I am aware of to determine this is to upgrade.
>> This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to the 
>> headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
>> manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. You 
>> can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
>> ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
>> audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if 
>> you press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the 
>> screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but 
>> the entire phone has as well.
>> If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead 
>> opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
>> review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
>> Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
>> double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked 
>> up.
>> The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able 
>> to answer a call.
>> Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
>> phone is set to silent.
>> If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal 
>> breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
>> What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent 
>> for some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are 
>> present for all users. For example, some people experience the issues I have 
>> described when they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not when 
>> the phone is ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button on 
>> their EarPods, while others cannot.
>> If you upgrade and are affected by this, here are a few things to try.
>> (A) If you have the more moderate version of this bug, avoid pressing the 
>> power button when you receive an incoming call.
>> (B) Turning off audio ducking seems to help a little for some users.
>> (C) If you can't answer a call with a two-finger double-tap, try pressing 
>> the button on your EarPods or similar device if you have such a device 
>> connected.
>> (D) If all else fails, you can disconnect any device from the headphone 
>> jack, answer the call with a two-finger double-tap, then reconnect the 
>> device to the headphone jack.
>> (E) Given the critical nature of this bug, if you've upgraded and now find 
>> yourself afflicted by it, enrol in the iOS beta program so you can receive 
>> early copies of any fixes Apple is working on. But keep in mind that since 
>> you will be running beta software, you may well be swapping one set of bugs 
>> for another.
>> 2. Bluetooth keyboard support unreliable. Sometimes, users may input double 
>> letters when typ

Re: movingpps with braille display

[christopher hallsworth]

3-6-7-8 chord, that is space with dots 3-6-7-8.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:28, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
> What is that braille command. I’ve forgotten and was wondering if someone 
> remembered it. Thanks. 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. This is one thing that was finally added to iOS in iOS 9, you can
>> now move apps with a refreshable Braille display. How well this works
>> I do not know since I haven't tried moving anything yet, but there is
>> a Braille command to activate the edit mode and move apps, just like
>> the double tap and hold gesture for VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On 9/17/15, Stephanie  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm wondering if it's not possible to move apps with the braille display?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steph
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Re: Submitting App Crash Reports

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Focus on any text field or a web page in any HTML view such as those in Safari. 
Using the rotor, find "text selection". If it's not there, you need to select 
it by going to Settings > general > accessibility > VoiceOver > rotor and 
double tap "text selection". Anyway, flick up or down to choose from "character 
selection", "word selection", "line selection", "page selection" and "select 
all". Once the desired option is set, swipe with one finger to the right to 
start selecting, swipe left with one finger to deselect. Once text is selected, 
you can then do the usual things such as copy or even get the definition of the 
selected text. Enjoy!
Chris
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:53, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, so how does it work?
>  
> Carol P
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: christopher hallsworth <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>
>> To: Viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: Submitting App Crash Reports
>> 
>> Yes! Text selection is awesome! I smiled from ear to ear when I saw that all 
>> the way back to the first developer beta of iOS 9. Try it folks, you will 
>> wonder how you ever lived without it. Smile!
>> Chris
>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 08:01, Chris Smart >> <mailto:csma...@cogeco.ca>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I tried adding Edit to the roter, doing a pinch gesture, etc. but no luck. 
>>> When viewing a crash report I was not seeing Edit in the roter there.
>>> 
>>> However, thanks to the new Text Selection feature in iOS 9, I had no 
>>> trouble selecting all, copying, pasting into an email. So, I advise folks 
>>> to go to Voiceover Settings > Roter and add text selection. It's very handy!
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Submitting App Crash Reports

[christopher hallsworth]

Ditto.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 22:03, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> That sounds a good addition and long awaited, especially for VI's.
>  
> Carol P
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: christopher hallsworth <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>
>> To: Viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: Submitting App Crash Reports
>> 
>> Focus on any text field or a web page in any HTML view such as those in 
>> Safari. Using the rotor, find "text selection". If it's not there, you need 
>> to select it by going to Settings > general > accessibility > VoiceOver > 
>> rotor and double tap "text selection". Anyway, flick up or down to choose 
>> from "character selection", "word selection", "line selection", "page 
>> selection" and "select all". Once the desired option is set, swipe with one 
>> finger to the right to start selecting, swipe left with one finger to 
>> deselect. Once text is selected, you can then do the usual things such as 
>> copy or even get the definition of the selected text. Enjoy!
>> Chris
>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:53, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
>>> <mailto:carol.pearso...@googlemail.com>' via VIPhone 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, so how does it work?
>>>  
>>> Carol P
>>>  
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: christopher hallsworth <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>
>>>> To: Viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:34 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Submitting App Crash Reports
>>>> 
>>>> Yes! Text selection is awesome! I smiled from ear to ear when I saw that 
>>>> all the way back to the first developer beta of iOS 9. Try it folks, you 
>>>> will wonder how you ever lived without it. Smile!
>>>> Chris
>>>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 08:01, Chris Smart >>>> <mailto:csma...@cogeco.ca>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried adding Edit to the roter, doing a pinch gesture, etc. but no 
>>>>> luck. When viewing a crash report I was not seeing Edit in the roter 
>>>>> there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, thanks to the new Text Selection feature in iOS 9, I had no 
>>>>> trouble selecting all, copying, pasting into an email. So, I advise folks 
>>>>> to go to Voiceover Settings > Roter and add text selection. It's very 
>>>>> handy!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- Learn to meditate and train your brain with Muse, the first lab-grade 
>>>>> EEG biofeedback headband for home use! 
>>>>> <http://www.shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=635671&u=1109457&m=54749&urllink=&afftrack=>
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Re: movingpps with braille display

[christopher hallsworth]

Here is another one. Space with dots 1-5-6, simulate two finger double tap to 
answer/hang up a call, play/pause audio etc.
Chris
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 21:59, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> This will be a useful one, when I can try it 
> 
> Anyone know if there are other additional (or changed) commands when using a 
> Braille display?
> 
> Is there an up-to-date list anywhere?
> 
> Carol P
> 
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Viphone" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:49 PM
> Subject: Re: movingpps with braille display
> 
> 
> 3-6-7-8 chord, that is space with dots 3-6-7-8.
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:28, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>> What is that braille command. I’ve forgotten and was wondering if someone 
>> remembered it. Thanks.
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. This is one thing that was finally added to iOS in iOS 9, you can
>>> now move apps with a refreshable Braille display. How well this works
>>> I do not know since I haven't tried moving anything yet, but there is
>>> a Braille command to activate the edit mode and move apps, just like
>>> the double tap and hold gesture for VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>> On 9/17/15, Stephanie  wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I'm wondering if it's not possible to move apps with the braille display?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Steph
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Re: movingpps with braille display

[christopher hallsworth]

It simulates the double tap and hold, so you could do all of that as if you 
were really doing the double tap and hold gesture.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 22:14, Gmail  wrote:
> 
> Does this command extend to letting you move apps on top of other apps or 
> into folders, not just next to one another or next to a folder?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:59 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This will be a useful one, when I can try it 
>> 
>> Anyone know if there are other additional (or changed) commands when using a 
>> Braille display?
>> 
>> Is there an up-to-date list anywhere?
>> 
>> Carol P
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
>> 
>> To: "Viphone" 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: movingpps with braille display
>> 
>> 
>> 3-6-7-8 chord, that is space with dots 3-6-7-8.
>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:28, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is that braille command. I’ve forgotten and was wondering if someone 
>>> remembered it. Thanks.
>>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. This is one thing that was finally added to iOS in iOS 9, you can
>>>> now move apps with a refreshable Braille display. How well this works
>>>> I do not know since I haven't tried moving anything yet, but there is
>>>> a Braille command to activate the edit mode and move apps, just like
>>>> the double tap and hold gesture for VoiceOver.
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/17/15, Stephanie  wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm wondering if it's not possible to move apps with the braille display?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Steph
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Re: movingpps with braille display

[christopher hallsworth]

One more. Space with dots 1-2-3-4-5-7 will toggle single letter quicknav on and 
off.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 22:18, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> These are very much appreciated, Chris.
> 
> I won't keep saying so though to block up the list but please keep sending 
> any you come across or know.
> 
> Carol P
> 
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Viphone" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: movingpps with braille display
> 
> 
> Here is another one. Space with dots 1-5-6, simulate two finger double tap to 
> answer/hang up a call, play/pause audio etc.
> Chris
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 21:59, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This will be a useful one, when I can try it 
>> 
>> Anyone know if there are other additional (or changed) commands when using a 
>> Braille display?
>> 
>> Is there an up-to-date list anywhere?
>> 
>> Carol P
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
>> 
>> To: "Viphone" 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: movingpps with braille display
>> 
>> 
>> 3-6-7-8 chord, that is space with dots 3-6-7-8.
>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:28, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is that braille command. I’ve forgotten and was wondering if someone 
>>> remembered it. Thanks.
>>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. This is one thing that was finally added to iOS in iOS 9, you can
>>>> now move apps with a refreshable Braille display. How well this works
>>>> I do not know since I haven't tried moving anything yet, but there is
>>>> a Braille command to activate the edit mode and move apps, just like
>>>> the double tap and hold gesture for VoiceOver.
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/17/15, Stephanie  wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm wondering if it's not possible to move apps with the braille display?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Steph
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Re: IPhone 5s And IOS9

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Yes I like the English US Siri male voice.
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 07:57, Liel Ben Simon ליאל בן סימון  
> wrote:
> 
> hi steve and all. I try work with siri voice in VoiceOver voice.in olther 
> to work with this, go to accessibility on settines, and there in VoiceOver in 
> english us or   other dilate choose the siri voice. I try in my self and it's 
> very nice 
> 
> Sent from  my iphone
> 
> ‫ב-18 בספט׳ 2015, בשעה 9:34, ‏‏Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) 
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> 
>> Hi friends,
>>  
>> Has anyone tried to use the SIRI voice in IOS9 as the Voice Over voice?
>> If so, can you tell me where to find it as I can’t seem to find it in the 
>> settings.
>>  
>> Steve.
>>  
>> 
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Re: To All iTunes 11 Devotees

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4s seem to work just fine under iOS 9. But this is a fresh install with no apps 
and it's not signed into my Apple ID.
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 02:58, Paul Richard McGann  wrote:
> 
> I had to give up 4s as I kept getitng more problems and I had enough and go 
> get iphone 6 to settle down.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Amy Gordon
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 3:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To All iTunes 11 Devotees
> 
> Just wondering if many people with Iphone 4s have had trouble with new
> update. Trying to decide if I should. Thanks
> 
> On 9/17/15, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
>> Not sure about Windows, but for OS X there are supposed to be VoiceOver
>> improvements in Apple Music.
>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 16:01, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see Apple has released Itunes 12.3.  I wonder how accessible it is?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: M. Taylor
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 7:46 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: To All iTunes 11 Devotees
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick note to those of you who are still using iTunes 11.
>>> 
>>> The time has come to say goodbye.  That is to say, if you update your
>>> phone
>>> to iOS 9, you will need to update to iTunes 12.x in order to manage the
>>> phone on your computer.
>>> 
>>> While I do miss my beloved iTunes SideBar, I must admit that iTunes 12,
>>> in
>>> some ways, feels a little more responsive and works better for me, on
>>> Windows, via ZoomText.
>>> 
>>> Still, iTunes will never be the same without that SideBar, so to speak
>>> (sad
>>> smile).
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: My top iOS 9 Bugs

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Seems to be for wired headsets only.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 21:46, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> Does this bug come up when using a bluetooth headset instead of a plug in 
> headset?
> I have only read where people had a plug in headset.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:13 PM, christopher hallsworth  <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
>> It shouldn't. It seems to be for headsets only. Even then, they may only 
>> experience a mild form of this or not at all.
>> Chris
>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 15:23, Russ Kiehne >> <mailto:russ94...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me ask about: 1. Audio routing bug.  My brother has an iphone 6 and 
>>> doesn’t use earbuds or headphones.  Will this bug effect him?
>>>  
>>> From: Jonathan Mosen <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: My top iOS 9 Bugs
>>>  
>>> Hi everyone, now that the NDA is lifted, here are some things I think you 
>>> might like to be aware of in iOS 9.
>>> I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
>>> predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
>>> Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
>>> minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your 
>>> device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you 
>>> might like to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a 
>>> bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following 
>>> iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should 
>>> consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if 
>>> anything below concerns you.
>>> 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant 
>>> accessibility bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to 
>>> the number of people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at 
>>> present, even after extensive testing with a range of people owning 
>>> different devices, I have no information about why it affects some users, 
>>> but not others. It is not device specific, for example it is happening to 
>>> me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I know iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem 
>>> isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to be affected by any setting. If you're 
>>> lucky, it won't happen to you, but the only way I am aware of to determine 
>>> this is to upgrade.
>>> This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to 
>>> the headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
>>> manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. 
>>> You can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
>>> ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
>>> audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if 
>>> you press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the 
>>> screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but 
>>> the entire phone has as well.
>>> If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead 
>>> opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
>>> review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
>>> Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
>>> double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked 
>>> up.
>>> The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able 
>>> to answer a call.
>>> Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
>>> phone is set to silent.
>>> If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal 
>>> breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
>>> What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent 
>>> for some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are 
>>> present for all users. For example, some people experience the issues I 
>>> have described when they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not 
>>> when the phone is ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button 
>>

Re: Hey Siri

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes you have. This is only available on iPhone 6s and 6s+ due to be launched 
next Friday 25 September.
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 11:51, Blind Treasures  wrote:
> 
> Did I miss understand about Hey Siri now working without having to be
> connected to power in IOS 9? When I updated Siri still states it has to be
> connected to power.
> 
> "I'd rather be infected with love for the tiniest sliver of a second than
> live a hundred years smothered by a lie."--Lena Haloway
> 
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Re: Another Cool Thing About iOS 9

[christopher hallsworth]

It's awesome! First seen in developer beta 1. The only caveat is, for now, you 
cannot search beyond a certain level. So, for example, searching for VoiceOver 
would be no problem, but searching for Braille just does not work at this time.
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 06:07, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Hi guys. I don't know if anyone noticed this yet, but in settings you can now 
> do a search for the specific setting you want to modify. For example, if you 
> wanted to modify something in Voiceover, you could just type in Voiceover in 
> the edit field and it'll take you right there if you double tap the search 
> result. This beats a lot of time going to general, accessibility, and finding 
> Voiceover that way. To find the search edit box, find the settings heading 
> and flick right once. Then double tap and you can enter your search result.
> 
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Re: Slow speech with voices other than Alex

[christopher hallsworth]

If you add Russian to the language rotor, you can set the speech rate 
independently.
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 04:00, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I just upgraded the iPad to iOS 9 and reinstalled the Russian voice. I also 
> installed the mail Siri enhanced voice. Experimenting around, it would seem 
> that both of these voices are speaking much more slowly than they should 
> based on the speech rate that is set invoice over interestingly enough, under 
> iOS 8 and I believe seven as well, the four invoices, such as the Russian 
> one, would speak at a much faster rate than the default would warrant, based 
> on the English speech. It seems like they've over corrected. Now, if I want a 
> decent Russian speech rate, I have to up the speed to more than I would have 
> for English, which is absurd, since I am far from a native speaker of Russian.
> Mary
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Re: My husbands for S

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On the 4s, do a three finger flick up and the button should be in view.
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 02:37, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
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> On my iPhone 5, I had to explore by touch to find the download button. I 
> couldn't get to it by flicking left or right. On my iPhone 4S, I don't find a 
> download and install button even by just exploring. All I see is a learn more 
> button. My plan is to install with iTunes from my PC and see what happens.
> 
> On 09/18/2015 07:13 PM, leliastr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> All, my husband has an iPhone for S, with the latest 8.4 update. When he 
>> goes to update to I OS 9, it is already downloaded, but he cannot install 
>> it, I wonder if anyone else has had this problem and what you did about it. 
>> Thank you in advance so basically he is not able to update to I OS 9 because 
>> there is not an install button, it is already downloaded but there is no 
>> install. Thank you
>> 
>> Lelia
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: App switcher

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes, and, in case anybody wonders, it is "not" a bug; just a redesign of the 
app switcher.
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 19:06, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Has anyone else noticed that the App Switcher is reversed under iOS 9? 9?
> In iOS 8.x, when I brought up the app switcher on my 5s the icon for the home 
> screen was on the left, and I would flick right with one finger to go through 
> the apps.
> Now, the Home icon is on the right, and I have to flick left with one finger 
> to go through the apps. No big deal, just different.
> Richard
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Re: Siri voice for voice over

[christopher hallsworth]

Right. Can I ask, how the hell do you know the names of the Siri voices? 
Because on my iOS devides at least, all I get is "Siri Male", "Siri Female" etc.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 07:26, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Yeah I like the Siri voices for Voiceover too. I alternate between Gordon, 
> the Australian male Siri voice and Martha, the British female Siri voice. I 
> don't really care for the American siri voices, Aaron and Nicky, because 
> Nicky has lost her inflection she had in previous iOS versions and Aaron 
> kinda reminds me of Neospeech Paul.
> 
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>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I first upgraded my for S. And I tried both Siri voices and was very 
>> unhappy, because of the really long pauses between sentences and lines. But 
>> just recently, I bit the bullet and upgraded my 5S, which will soon be 
>> replaced with a 6S, whenever T-Mobile gets them in ships one out to me.
>> Since my favorite female voice is not available for reading Kindle books on 
>> the iPhone, and since they have screwed it up on the android version of 
>> Kendall, where you get unnatural pauses between lines with that same voice, 
>> Kendra, I tried the Siri female voice. And I think I'm going to really try 
>> to live with it. It is certainly better than Samantha. So for those of you 
>> who don't care for Samantha, and have something faster than the four ss, 
>> give it a try.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: moving app with braille display

[christopher hallsworth]

Not sure if that's true now you can do a double tap and hold on a Braille 
display with a 3-6-7-8 chord.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 07:19, Scott Dollar  wrote:
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> Hi Stephanie,
> 
> You can't do that with a braille display to move a folder on your phone. You 
> must put your finger on the screen on the iphone to be able to move the 
> folder.
> 
> Hope this help you.
> 
> Respectful,
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Stephanie
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: moving app with braille display
> 
> I want to put a app in to my extras folder. I can do the tap and hold with my 
> braille display. But it won't move my app to the extras folder  when I repeat 
> the tap and hold on the folder I want to move it too. What am I doing wrong?
> Steph
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Re: Updating to IOS 9... phone is a brick!!! Help!

[christopher hallsworth]

Get Amy to do a three finger flick up. The install button should then be in 
view. You have to touch it, not swipe to it as that will not work.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 05:00, John J Jacques  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I updated my 5 S with no issues.  I may possibly have the
> answering call bug, as I got a call while listening to my Detroit Tigers,
> with my phone plugged into a stereo system, and double tapping would not
> answer the call, though when I unplugged the audio cable, I was able to
> answer with no problem.  
> 
> My girlfriend Aimee is trying to update her 4 S, but the install button
> is nowhere to be found, so I guess we will have to wait until we can get
> a pair of eyes over here to start her update!
> 
> Have a good one:
> John
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Re: 4-Digit Passcode?

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok folks, in iOS 9, the first time you set up the update or after you restore 
your iOS device, you will be prompted for a six digit passcode. Don't want 
this? No problem! Just double tap the "passcode options" button.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 03:20, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> Is this just an iPhone 6 Plus change? I don't recall seeing this on either my 
> iPhone 4S or my iPhone 5, and my four digit pass codes still work fine. I did 
> see something about a six digit key chain passcode though. Is that what we're 
> talking about here?
> 
> On 09/19/2015 07:23 PM, Arianna Sepulveda wrote:
>> You could just use your old one, with two more numbers tacked onto the
>> end or beginning, that way you have an easier time remembering it.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>> On 9/19/15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> It will be a brand new one, not taking your old one into account at all.
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 19:05, Fazil  wrote:
 
 Hi, list.
 I have a 4-digit passcode, however, when I upgraded my Iphone6 Plus to
 IOS9, the initial setup wanted me use a 6-digit passcode and it also gave
 me to skip that option for the time being.
 Now my question is when I would setup a 6-digit passcode, should this new
 passcode contain the 4-digit of my current passcode or would that be a
 brand new one?
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Re: Power saving mode

[christopher hallsworth]

Not on the iPad, don't know about iPod since I don't have one.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 15:21, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> Let me ask, is this low power mode availible on the ipad and ipod touch? The 
> reason I ask, I don't find it on my 5th generation ipod touch running ios 9.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Power saving mode
> 
> Apple is calling this "Low Power Mode" and hence I assume Apple has meant for 
> this to be used once you get your 20% low battery warning and you want to get 
> the most out of your remaining battery life.
> When the low battery warning appears, the option to turn on low power mode is 
> on the screen.
> You can, however, manually enable it very quickly and easily by telling SIRI 
> "Turn on Power Saving Mode".
> This will display the "Low Power Mode" explanation screen and you can at that 
> point tap cancel to not turn it on or tap continue and low power mode will be 
> turned on.
> OK, so I now just tried this again and this time it just turned it on without 
> showing me that screen, but either way, you can turn it on and off with SIRI. 
> I do agree, though, that this would be not a bad additional option to have in 
> control centre.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Traci Duncan
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Power saving mode
> 
> Where is a good place to suggest things to Apple?
> 
> I want to know, why in the world did they not put this power saving option in 
> control center?  That would make it easily accessible to toggle on/off.
> 
> Would this be an appropriate thing to do via feedback assistant for public 
> beta?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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Re: 4-Digit Passcode?

[christopher hallsworth]

I wasn't asked for a passcode at all on my iPhone 5s since I had one already. 
On my iPad Mini 2 however I was asked for a passcode.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 14:00, Terry-Ann Saurmann  
> wrote:
> 
> That is most interesting, because on my #5 and my #6, I was only asked for my 
> four digit pass code.  Terry
> - Original Message ----- From: "christopher hallsworth" 
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> To: "Viphone" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:23 AM
> Subject: Re: 4-Digit Passcode?
> 
> 
>> Ok folks, in iOS 9, the first time you set up the update or after you 
>> restore your iOS device, you will be prompted for a six digit passcode. 
>> Don't want this? No problem! Just double tap the "passcode options" button.
>>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 03:20, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this just an iPhone 6 Plus change? I don't recall seeing this on either 
>>> my iPhone 4S or my iPhone 5, and my four digit pass codes still work fine. 
>>> I did see something about a six digit key chain passcode though. Is that 
>>> what we're talking about here?
>>> 
>>> On 09/19/2015 07:23 PM, Arianna Sepulveda wrote:
>>>> You could just use your old one, with two more numbers tacked onto the
>>>> end or beginning, that way you have an easier time remembering it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ari
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/19/15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>>> It will be a brand new one, not taking your old one into account at all.
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 19:05, Fazil  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi, list.
>>>>>> I have a 4-digit passcode, however, when I upgraded my Iphone6 Plus to
>>>>>> IOS9, the initial setup wanted me use a 6-digit passcode and it also gave
>>>>>> me to skip that option for the time being.
>>>>>> Now my question is when I would setup a 6-digit passcode, should this new
>>>>>> passcode contain the 4-digit of my current passcode or would that be a
>>>>>> brand new one?
>>>>>> Thanks!
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Re: moving app with braille display

[christopher hallsworth]

Ah ok. Because I remember you could do it with a bluetooth keyboard.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 11:05, Cheryl Lenartiene  
> wrote:
> 
> You can't, as there's no way to tell the iDevice through the Braille display 
> that you're dragging your finger around the screen.
> Cheryl
> 
> Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 20, 2015, at 4:36 AM, Stephanie  <mailto:natureloving...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Yes you can. I'd done it. But I haven't been able to move apps.
>> Steph
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: christopher hallsworth  > <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>>
>> To: Viphone  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:06 pm
>> Subject: Re: moving app with braille display
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not sure if that's true now you can do a double tap and hold on a Braille 
>>> display with a 3-6-7-8 chord.
>>>> On 20 Sep 2015, at 07:19, Scott Dollar >>> <mailto:dollar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>> 
>>>> You can't do that with a braille display to move a folder on your phone. 
>>>> You must put your finger on the screen on the iphone to be able to move 
>>>> the folder.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this help you.
>>>> 
>>>> Respectful,
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message- From: Stephanie
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:58 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: moving app with braille display
>>>> 
>>>> I want to put a app in to my extras folder. I can do the tap and hold with 
>>>> my braille display. But it won't move my app to the extras folder  when I 
>>>> repeat the tap and hold on the folder I want to move it too. What am I 
>>>> doing wrong?
>>>> Steph
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Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9

[christopher hallsworth]

I haven't heard Apple has pulled it yet, but they soon will. So be quick before 
they stop signing it or pull it.
> On 20 Sep 2015, at 09:04, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Is it still possible to go back to ios 8.whatever without a jailbroken phone?
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:
> 
>> Interestingly enough iOS 8.4.1 has been out for several weeks and my usual 
>> source for IPSW files, http://IPSWDownloader.com 
>> , stops at version 8.3, version 12F70.
>> I’m sure other websites have it, but I wonder why this one doesn’t.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: How does one go back to iOS 8 from iOS 9
>>  
>> Hi Neal, this won't be possible for very much longer. So if you're going to 
>> do it, you'll want to do it without any delay. If Apple follows its usual 
>> practice, they will soon stop signing iOS 8.4.1, so with the exception of a 
>> pretty complex process in jailbroken devices, it won't be an option.
>> The short answer to your question is that during this window, if you can 
>> find the file with a .IPSW extension for iOS 8.4.1 for your specific iPhone 
>> model, you can install it by pressing shift+Space-bar on the "restore" 
>> button in iTunes. Navigate to that file, run it, wait, and eventually you'll 
>> have 8.4.1 back. Hopefully you have kept an encrypted backup in iTunes of 
>> your phone in its 8.4.1 state and you can restore from that. If you have 
>> not, an iCloud restore should be a much lengthier but feasible restore.
>> But I can't stress enough, if Apple sticks to its usual behaviour, these 
>> instructions will stop working real soon.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>  
>> On 18/09/2015, at 3:34 AM, Neal Ewers > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, I don’t think I need to do this, but just to make sure, I searched for 
>> things on the web and saw articles about how to down grade a beta version 
>> back to version 8. Is it the same path to take when downgrading from the 
>> released version? Are there any simple listing of steps that anyone has 
>> found that may be more easy to contemplate than some of the ones I have 
>> found?
>>  
>> Thanks for all help.
>>  
>> Neal
>>  
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Re: A couple of questions re IPad Mini 4

[christopher hallsworth]

Not seeing any iPad specific bugs, but in any case, split screens are for 
certain apps only like the stock Settings and Mail apps.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 05:45, M.Nelson  wrote:
> 
> when the excitement settles down, I intend to get a Mini4. I won’t be using 
> it for phone calls, don’t use a BT keyboard and seldom use it for email, so 
> are there any other “gotchas” that I should be aware of? Also, is the screen 
> always split or just with certain apps?
> Thanks,
> Marie   
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Re: How to send feedback to Apple regarding iOS 9?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi
To send accessibility related feedback send it to
accessibil...@apple.com
for more general feedback submit the form at
www.apple.com/feedback

> On 21 Sep 2015, at 05:22, dacia.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> How does one go about sending feedback to Apple regarding iOS 9? Also, has 
> anyone figured out how to navigate the picker with VoiceOver? By that, I 
> mean, when you were giving a pop a button, it says there is a picker, but 
> when I go to the bottom of the screen on the left like I used to, when I 
> swipe up, just says forward, and doesn't read my options. I still see the 
> option for done, but if I can't pick something, what's the point? Thank you 
> overall, I am satisfied with the newest iOS.
> Dacia
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Re: Selecting text in a kindle book

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I thought text selection would work for any text fields, even read only ones, 
regardless of the app in use?
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 05:05, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I was not surprised to see that I could not select text with the new text 
> selection feature in iOS 9 when reading a Kindle book. Kendall hasn't been 
> updated for iOS 9. I hope, when it is updated, they will recognize the ease 
> of this feature. But I'm not going to hold my breath. This is, after all, 
> Amazon we are talking about.
> I don't remember the somewhat convoluted method you're supposed to use when 
> selecting text in a Kindle book. I double tap for the menu, and nothing 
> jumped out at me. Does anybody remember how to do that?
> Mary
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App

[christopher hallsworth]

You can get the beta here
http://beta.apple.com
you must sign in and enrol your device(s) before you can install the beta. Note 
this is a public, not a developer, beta which the latter requires a paid 
developer account. The public beta program however is free to anyone with an 
Apple ID.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 04:10, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> When will the beta come out? Also... I hope the call bug and the bug where vo 
> crashes after sending email is fixed!!! Sorry beta police!!! Call it 
> updater's remorse!!! lol 
> 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:53 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say because the beta police may come after me.
>> 
>> John Diakogeorgiou
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Donna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What did you do to fix the bug I have restored all settings several 
>>> times & did a hard reboot also. Still have the problem! Not that it's a 
>>> deal breaker for me. 
>>> 
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
 
 Yes me too!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: 20 September 2015 19:02
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: A CALL TO ACTION: VoiceOver No Longer Announcing Number of 
 Messages in the Native iOS 9 Mail App
 
 It's fixed for me..
 
 John Diakogeorgiou
 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> No it hasn't been fixed in 9.1! Unless one keeps resetting network 
> settings or resetting all settings. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 8:11 AM, John Diakogeorgiou  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here go the apple police again!!! If some one tells you that Apple has 
>> fixed a bug then by not bugging themb we are letting them better utilize 
>> their time. They don't have to waste time looking at problems which they 
>> have already resolved. I'll be muting this now.
>> 
>> John Diakogeorgiou
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope you realize that you just violated NDA by saying that.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Wil James  wrote:
 
 There is good news on the horizon. That issue is fixed and I OS 9.1.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think it's great if people write in about this. FYI, I reported it 
> during the beta cycle and was told it was a duplicate bug report, so 
> they do know about it, but having more people say it's important to 
> get it fixed should help.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I'll definitely do that, as that's an issue that's really 
>> annoying me at the moment. We should write to 
>> 
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Right?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> You may have noticed that in the currently released version of the 
>>> native
>>> iOS 9 Mail app, VoiceOver no longer announces the actual number of 
>>> messages
>>> in a collapsed message thread but, instead, merely says, "Multiple 
>>> messages
>>> in thread."  
>>> 
>>> If, like me, you would like to once again hear the specific number 
>>> of
>>> messages in a collapsed message thread, please join me in 
>>> submitting a
>>> feedback request to Apple.
>>> 
>>> The following is a feedback request I just submitted to Apple.  
>>> Feel free to
>>> use any or all of it in your submissions.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> [Begin Feedback]
>>> 
>>> TITLE:
>>> Request to Have VoiceOver Once Again Announce the Number of 
>>> Messages in a
>>> collapsed Email Message Thread
>>> 
>>> DESCRIPTION:
>>> In iOS 8.x and earlier, VoiceOver would announce the actual number 
>>> of
>>> messages in a collapsed email message thread.  In the currently 
>>> released
>>> version of iOS 9.0, VoiceOver, instead of announcing the number of 
>>> messages
>>> in the thread, merely says, "Multiple messages in thread."  The 
>>> num

Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

[christopher hallsworth]

You can set up the fingerprint then the passcode or vice versa. There doesn't 
seem to be a particular order of presidence in my experience.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 18:21, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:
> 
> It's been a while since I did this. I think though you need to have
> the pass code set up before you set up the finger print. Then each
> time you unlock the phone you can use either the pass code or finger
> print reader. Also, like I previously said if you need to reboot the
> phone you must use the pass code instead of the finger print reader.
> The reason I like the finger print reader better is that to turn on
> the phone instead of having to type the characters, all you need do is
> press down once on the home key to turn on the phone then leave your
> finger there till it recognizes it. The only time I've had trouble
> with this is when I've washed my hands and they are damp.
> 
> On 9/21/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
>  wrote:
>> So, the first time being when you're setting up the Touch ID, or each time
>> you reboot, or perhaps once you've locked the screen, or been away for some
>> 
>> time ...?
>> 
>> Sorry, I'm not quite clear.
>> 
>> Carol P
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes because if you need to reboot your phone you must enter the
>>> password the first time.
>>> 
>>> On 9/21/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
>>>  wrote:
 Do you have to set up a password then to get into that area to do Touch
 ID?
 
 (Is this a failsafe method so you can get in if/when the Touch ID
 doesn't
 work)?
 
 Carol P
 
 
 Carol P
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:12 PM
 Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
 
 
 I completely agree with John. Go to Settings > Touch Id and Passcode,
 you
 have to enter your passcode to get into this area. Then find the Add
 Fingerprint button and just follow the instructions. If you set it up
 right
 
 it will be much easier to unlock your phone using Touch Id, it is even
 easier and faster than if you don't set up a passcode and just find and
 double tap the u nlock button. If your phone is locked, you still have
 to
 press the home or power button to wake it up, then find the unlock
 button
 and double tap it. Once you set up your fingerprint and have a bit of
 practice, you can do it all in one press of the home button. You press
 it
 down briefly to wake up the phone, let go but lightly continue to rest
 your
 
 finger on the button a second or a bit less and your phone will be
 unlocked.
 
 Only time it may not work is if your finger is quite wet or if the
 button
 might have gotten very dirty. Apple says that with the 6S and 6S Plus
 the
 Touch Id sensor is new and it is supposed to be up to twice as fast. To
 me
 this is hard to understand because even with my 5S it's almost
 instantaneous.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:47 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
 
 no it doesn't. You may find that using the finger print is easier than
 the
 pass code each time.
 
 On 9/21/15, dacia.l...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Hi,
> When I upgraded to I OS 9 yesterday, it made me create a passcode. I
> chose not to do the fingerprint, as that seems more complicated to me.
> However, now anytime I want to do anything, I have to enter the
> passcode. Does that include answering phone calls? I hope not, as that
> is very annoying, and takes a little bit of time to enter the
> passcode, and by the time you enter it, the call will be ended.
> Thank you,
> Dacia
> PS, if I want to disable the passcode, what I go into settings, and
> touch ID, then do something from there?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

[christopher hallsworth]

In all cases, when you reboot the phone or you don't unlock it within 48 hours, 
you must enter the passcode.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:57, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, the first time being when you're setting up the Touch ID, or each time 
> you reboot, or perhaps once you've locked the screen, or been away for some 
> time ...?
> 
> Sorry, I'm not quite clear.
> 
> Carol P
> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Diakogeorgiou" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
> 
> 
>> Yes because if you need to reboot your phone you must enter the
>> password the first time.
>> 
>> On 9/21/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>>> Do you have to set up a password then to get into that area to do Touch ID?
>>> 
>>> (Is this a failsafe method so you can get in if/when the Touch ID doesn't
>>> work)?
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:12 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I completely agree with John. Go to Settings > Touch Id and Passcode, you
>>> have to enter your passcode to get into this area. Then find the Add
>>> Fingerprint button and just follow the instructions. If you set it up right
>>> 
>>> it will be much easier to unlock your phone using Touch Id, it is even
>>> easier and faster than if you don't set up a passcode and just find and
>>> double tap the u nlock button. If your phone is locked, you still have to
>>> press the home or power button to wake it up, then find the unlock button
>>> and double tap it. Once you set up your fingerprint and have a bit of
>>> practice, you can do it all in one press of the home button. You press it
>>> down briefly to wake up the phone, let go but lightly continue to rest your
>>> 
>>> finger on the button a second or a bit less and your phone will be unlocked.
>>> 
>>> Only time it may not work is if your finger is quite wet or if the button
>>> might have gotten very dirty. Apple says that with the 6S and 6S Plus the
>>> Touch Id sensor is new and it is supposed to be up to twice as fast. To me
>>> this is hard to understand because even with my 5S it's almost
>>> instantaneous.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of John Diakogeorgiou
>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:47 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>>> 
>>> no it doesn't. You may find that using the finger print is easier than the
>>> pass code each time.
>>> 
>>> On 9/21/15, dacia.l...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Hi,
 When I upgraded to I OS 9 yesterday, it made me create a passcode. I
 chose not to do the fingerprint, as that seems more complicated to me.
 However, now anytime I want to do anything, I have to enter the
 passcode. Does that include answering phone calls? I hope not, as that
 is very annoying, and takes a little bit of time to enter the
 passcode, and by the time you enter it, the call will be ended.
 Thank you,
 Dacia
 PS, if I want to disable the passcode, what I go into settings, and
 touch ID, then do something from there?
 
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Re: Siri voice for voice over

[christopher hallsworth]

Go to settings > general > accessibility > VoiceOver > speech > default dialect.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:26, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> But how do you actually choose them to make them the default Voiceover voice?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
>> On 21 Sep 2015, at 14:30, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> The Siri voices are available on my old for S. So I think they should be 
>> available on the five as well.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If it could they would be available if you to to Settings > Accessibility > 
>>> Voiceover > Speech > Default Dialect. If they are not there then like Alex 
>>> the SIRI voices are most likely only available on 64 Bit devices which the 
>>> iPhone 5 and 5C are not. The oldest device where this would be available 
>>> would be the 5S, also the 6 and 6 Plus and, of course, the new 6S and 6S 
>>> Plus which are available this Friday.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Andrew Lamanche
>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:57 AM
>>> To: VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Re: Siri voice for voice over
>>> 
>>> Hi Shawn,
>>> 
>>> I have upgraded to iOS9 on iphone 5C.  Does this also make it possible to 
>>> use siri voice as the default voice for VoiceOver?  I've looked under 
>>> speech in accessibility in settings and also under siri but I can't see an 
>>> option to do this.  Maybe iphone 5C is not capable to utilise siri voice as 
>>> VoiceOver voice.  
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 21 Sep 2015, at 01:40, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
 
 Did you configure the Siri voices to work with your default dialect or did 
 you use a secondary language for it? Also, check if you downloaded them 
 through the speech setting by itself in accessibility. I saw someone did 
 that and wondered why it wasn't working for them but then they realized 
 that they downloaded it in the wrong place so it wasn't showing up in 
 Voiceover.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
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 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
 
> On Sep 20, 2015, at 6:46 PM, DJ  wrote:
> 
> I can't get the siri voices to work for VO on my 5.  It let's me select
> them, but even after they download they still won't talk.  It still uses
> Samantha voice.  Oh well.
> 
> DJ 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Siri voice for voice over
> 
> I first upgraded my for S. And I tried both Siri voices and was very
> unhappy, because of the really long pauses between sentences and lines. 
> But
> just recently, I bit the bullet and upgraded my 5S, which will soon be
> replaced with a 6S, whenever T-Mobile gets them in ships one out to me.
> Since my favorite female voice is not available for reading Kindle books 
> on
> the iPhone, and since they have screwed it up on the android version of
> Kendall, where you get unnatural pauses between lines with that same 
> voice,
> Kendra, I tried the Siri female voice. And I think I'm going to really try
> to live with it. It is certainly better than Samantha. So for those of you
> who don't care for Samantha, and have something faster than the four ss,
> give it a try.
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Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes and yes.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 16:53, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you have to set up a password then to get into that area to do Touch ID? 
> (Is this a failsafe method so you can get in if/when the Touch ID doesn't 
> work)?
> 
> Carol P
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:12 PM
> Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
> 
> 
> I completely agree with John. Go to Settings > Touch Id and Passcode, you 
> have to enter your passcode to get into this area. Then find the Add 
> Fingerprint button and just follow the instructions. If you set it up right 
> it will be much easier to unlock your phone using Touch Id, it is even easier 
> and faster than if you don't set up a passcode and just find and double tap 
> the u nlock button. If your phone is locked, you still have to press the home 
> or power button to wake it up, then find the unlock button and double tap it. 
> Once you set up your fingerprint and have a bit of practice, you can do it 
> all in one press of the home button. You press it down briefly to wake up the 
> phone, let go but lightly continue to rest your finger on the button a second 
> or a bit less and your phone will be unlocked. Only time it may not work is 
> if your finger is quite wet or if the button might have gotten very dirty. 
> Apple says that with the 6S and 6S Plus the Touch Id sensor is new and it is 
> supposed to be up to twice as fast. To me this is hard to understand because 
> even with my 5S it's almost instantaneous.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
> 
> no it doesn't. You may find that using the finger print is easier than the 
> pass code each time.
> 
> On 9/21/15, dacia.l...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> When I upgraded to I OS 9 yesterday, it made me create a passcode. I
>> chose not to do the fingerprint, as that seems more complicated to me.
>> However, now anytime I want to do anything, I have to enter the
>> passcode. Does that include answering phone calls? I hope not, as that
>> is very annoying, and takes a little bit of time to enter the
>> passcode, and by the time you enter it, the call will be ended.
>> Thank you,
>> Dacia
>> PS, if I want to disable the passcode, what I go into settings, and
>> touch ID, then do something from there?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Minor Bugs I have noticed in IoS 9

[christopher hallsworth]

"1" sounds like app specific bugs rather than iOS 9 ones so these should be 
brought to the attention of the respected developers. "2" has been listed as a 
possible bug over at
www.applevis.com 

> On 21 Sep 2015, at 19:15, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> After using IOS 9 for a few days here are a couple of bugs I have noticed 
> that I have yet to see mentioned. If anyone has figured out any work around 
> please let us know.
> 
> 1. Heading Navigation is gone in some apps
> For example if you use grub hub the ability to quickly flick from food 
> headings like salads to pizza slices is gone, you have to flick through every 
> menu item which is a giant pain as some menus have hundreds of items. Also in 
> Newsify there used to be dates for your feeds when viewing folders and you 
> could quickly flick from day to day using heading navigation, the dates seem 
> to be completely gone and you just have a very long list of articles. Since 
> neither grub hub nor Newsify have released an IOS 9 update not sure if this 
> is an Apple error or app specific.
> 
> 2. VO loses focus in long lists.
> 
> For example in Newsify if you have been flicking through articles and you go 
> in to read an article when going back to your article list instead of being 
> where you have flicked down to you are taken back to the very top of the 
> list. I have also noticed this same behavior in Downcast if you are in a long 
> list of podcasts and you go to listen to a podcast instead of being taken 
> back to where you were in the list you are taken to the top of the list. 
> Again not a deal breaker but quite frustrating, and pretty sure this is yet 
> another Apple issue.
> 
> I knew what I was getting in to when installing IOS 9, and for me it was 
> worth it as Siri and dictation did not work half the time for me in IOS 8 , 
> and I thought it was a damaged home button but IOS 9 seems to have fixed that 
> issue for me. Not even two factory resets in IOS 8 nor the genius bar could 
> fix that issue, so nice that IOS 9 has.
> 
> But, the fact that Apple promoted IOS 9 as a big release that was focused on 
> quality control, they really did once again drop the ball in a lot of areas 
> for VoiceOVer users, and yes, i do realize that VoiceOVer users are a very 
> very small percentage of iPhone users, and I guess we are just going to have 
> to get used to having serious to minor bugs in all IOS releases.
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Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

[christopher hallsworth]

Answering incoming phone calls is still possible in iOS 9 like it always has 
been, and that's without entering a passcode even if one is set.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 15:25, dacia.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> When I upgraded to I OS 9 yesterday, it made me create a passcode. I chose 
> not to do the fingerprint, as that seems more complicated to me. However, now 
> anytime I want to do anything, I have to enter the passcode. Does that 
> include answering phone calls? I hope not, as that is very annoying, and 
> takes a little bit of time to enter the passcode, and by the time you enter 
> it, the call will be ended.
> Thank you,
> Dacia
> PS, if I want to disable the passcode, what I go into settings, and touch ID, 
> then do something from there?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New Trivia Crack Update Just Released, Accessibility Somewhat Broken

[christopher hallsworth]

I deleted Trivia Crack since I heard about the latest accessibility issues and 
this has only got worse not better. Thanks for sharing.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 20:22, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Just now I received an update for Trivia Crack. I will warn you now 
> to be careful about updating it. In the main screen of the game, all you get 
> is the person you're playing and nothing else. You don't hear the level that 
> your opponent is at, your current score, just who you're playing with. I'm 
> about to tweet them and tell them that they need to fix this and I hope the 
> rest of you will do the same. If not tweet them, send them an email.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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Re: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love

[christopher hallsworth]

Ditto. I can't wait to tell my friend about it and even show her. One of the 
things we could never manage was the pinch gesture, especially me due to my 
limited coordination. So the text selection is a big plus for me and hope it 
will be for my friend.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 05:53, Kathy Metters  wrote:
> 
> I absolutely love the text selection feature in iOS nine it's one of the best 
> improvement regarding voiceover so far for me.
> 
> Katie Lady Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Gmail  wrote:
>> 
>> In earlier versions of iOS, before nine, though, I don't think you can 
>> select text outside of an edit field. Correct me if this is wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Exactly what I do. Or simply select the text then copy it to the clipboard. 
>>> That new feature may be more convenient for others though.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Feliciano
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 On Sep 20, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
 
 In 8, when I have to copy garbage strings, I have VO speak it and then the 
 3 finger quad tap, but you often get extra junk with it as well that you 
 don't want in there because it literally copies what VO spoke.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 6:49 PM
 Subject: Two small features in iOS 9 that I really I'm going to love
 
 
 Have you ever had to copy out one of those long garbage letter number 
 passwords and paste it somewhere else? That alone is going to make the 
 text selection feature of iOS 9 a huge timesaver for me. Plus, when I have 
 to reenter my email address or password, as is so common, presto, copy 
 text. Paste done.
 The other one I'm going to love is that little back button up in the top 
 left of the status line. If you get emails with links, which you follow 
 and read the article, then want to go back to mail, how cool is it that 
 you can just tap that little button and not have to open the app switcher, 
 find the mail app, and return. It's a little thing, but I love it.
 Mary
 
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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[christopher hallsworth]

Probably because you can actually use the touchpad or trackpad in Apple 
terminology to interact with the Mac using VoiceOver with gestures familiar to 
those on iOS with a few exclusive ones.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 03:22, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well someone on another list just told me that you cannot turn off the 
> touchpad on a MacBook. That is disgusting.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Rose,
>> Try Function F5.  That is how both my Work Del and my home Toshiba now turn 
>> off the touch pad.
>> I find I often have to turn it off again after rebooting, but at least I can 
>> turn it off.
>> 
>> I hope that works.  I hate touchpads.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rose Combs
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they 
>> asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a wireless keyboard.  
>> However, if I were to carry it around with me not an option and I am 
>> constantly hitting the touch pad on a Lenovo laptop and sending it to who 
>> knows where, I hate how far the keyboard is back, makes me lean forward and 
>> I keep resting the palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba 
>> my husband had, very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't 
>> seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control 
>> panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.  
>> 
>> I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn the 
>> Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last spring when I bought 
>> the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get me wrong, however, in the 
>> past nearly 40 years I have typed 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe 
>> a couple of times a week or less.  I once was very fast but now am not, 
>> especially on tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to 
>> this instead of other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus 
>> minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring, transitioning 
>> to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was terminated and am now 
>> retired earlier than I wished to be.  
>> 
>> Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at 
>> roseco...@q.com 
>> 
>> I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little keys 
>> are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for years, loved it but, 
>> probably will need something I can use where others can see what is 
>> happening is the reason I was asked about a laptop or I device.  My iPad is 
>> wifi only and bought just at the end of its cycle in early September 2013 as 
>> a present after I taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him 
>> not me.  He bought me a mini after that and just before new announcements 
>> were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going anywhere 
>> and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a ventilator unable to 
>> talk but very much mentally with it.  I helped set it up so it could talk 
>> for him after my husband passed a year ago in the spring.  
>> So choice now looks like either hooking the Focus to the laptop via 
>> Bluetooth, if I can or using my iPhone which would be less to carry.  
>> My Braille note is an mPower, and if no one needed to see what I was doing, 
>> and if I could get it to connect to my home network so I could load it 
>> easier it would be my choice.  
>> 
>> I still use it but cannot get it to connect to anything even with a network 
>> card these days.  Never truly worked well in that regard anyway.  However, 
>> makes it useless as an e-mail client also and probably would not open the 
>> documents I will be sent.  
>> Long story as to why I did not upgrade it, let's just say HW and I are no 
>> longer friendly.  
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
>> memory!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
>> 
>> I have been asked to substitute as a minutes take her for an upcoming 
>> meeting. I used to do this on a PC laptop in MS Word with complete 
>> confidence and competence. However, that laptop is long since gone and 
>> buried.
>> At this point, my choices are to use my eye pad with a Bluetooth keyboard 
>> and pray that I don't get bit by the Bluetooth bug in iOS 9, choosing among 
>> apps such as voice dream writer or the new notes app. Or I could borrow my 
>> husbands 11 inch MacB

Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls

[christopher hallsworth]

You know, to me, setting up Touch Id was awesome even from someone who has 
never used it before despite having an iPhone since 2011. So if I can do it, 
chances are you can too. It's just a matter of doing what VoiceOver tells you 
to do.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 00:18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rose,
>  
> It really is a simple process, I will explain it one more time and if you 
> follow these steps it should work just fine.
>  
> 1.   After you start the process of adding a fingerprint, place the 
> finger you want to use on the hone button. You will feel a very small and 
> short vibration each time a successful reading is taken.
> 2.   After the vibration, lift the finger and put it down again in a 
> slightly different position, repeat after each vibration trying to cover most 
> of the area between your finger tip and the first joint of your finger or 
> thumb.
> 3.   At some point you get that message about adjusting your grip and to 
> capture the edges of your finger. If you simply swipe left or right around 
> the screen you will find a “Continue” bvutton. Double tap it and then again 
> place your finger on the home button and as requested do it more towards the 
> edges of your finger.
> 4.   After another set of readings you will get the message that Touch Id 
> is now ready.
>  
> Make sure when you put your finger on the home button to put it straight 
> down, don’t put it down and then move or slide it around because maybe you 
> only have half of it on the button, just lift it and continue, it will take 
> as many readings as it needs to make sure it has a good image.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Rose Combs
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 3:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>  
> I have never, ever gotten past the trip message regardless of what I have 
> tried in more than 25 times of trying this.  For me, it just isn’t going to 
> happen as nothing works and I eventually end up canceling out.  I am not 
> normally terribly patient but I’d think trying to do this for more than 20 
> minutes at a time would be enough.  
>  
>  
>  
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com 
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Question about passcode and answering phone calls
>  
> Hi Rose, the prompt you are getting is to adjust your grip. Just double-tap 
> the Continue button, move the phone about slightly, and then you can finish 
> the process. You'll know it's over when the phone says "Touch IS is ready".
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>  
>> On 22/09/2015, at 8:21 AM, Rose Combs > > wrote:
>>  
>> Fingerprint for me has never been a go, have tried it multiple times and I 
>> mean like about 20 or so in the past year and not once does it work despite 
>> instructions, I get to a point where it says it shows a picture and I am 
>> supposed to grab something, never figure out what and so I don't get it to 
>> happen, and I am alone with no eyes to help, if I ask a family member they 
>> just tell me if I can't get it to work I don't need it.  See family about 
>> once a month if that.  
>> So if it does not work, it won't and for me, the only person I know that it 
>> does not work for, it won't work.  Just tried again with 9 update, same 
>> results, absolutely none.  
>> I probably typed them off with more than 39 years of doing transcription, 
>> don't laugh, my mother applied for a job once at a school and they could not 
>> get fingerprint on her she went back four different times before they 
>> finally got some.  So I suppose the same could be true for me since my 
>> cousin says I inherited her fingernails.  
>> For those who have poo-hooed me in the past, don't bother, I  already know 
>> you think my theory is not possible, don't need to hear it again.  
>> 
>> For me, fingerprint is not happening and I surmise never will.  
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com 
>> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
>> memory!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of dacia.l...@gmail.com 
>> Sent: Monday, September 21,

Re: paying for extra iCloud storage

[christopher hallsworth]

You pay monthly and can be changed or cancelled at any time.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 18:53, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Does apple charge you for the entire year of storage at once or do you pay 
> monthly? Can you change your storage options on a monthly basis or do you 
> subscribe for the entire year?
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Christina
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Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?

[christopher hallsworth]

Actually that is true. The VoiceOver cursor ignores the mouse pointer by 
default.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 15:01, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> That's true, it does disable trackpad commander. If VoiceOver is
> running though, and trackpad commander is turned off, I don't think
> that anything would happen with the focus of the VoiceOver cursor. I
> may be wrong. I am a fairly new Mac user but in my limited experience,
> if trackpad commander was off then my focus did not jump around if I
> touch the trackpad while typing.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 9/22/15, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Wayne,
>> Doesn't that disable trackpad commander, a voice over feature? Not the
>> trackpad itself.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, you can disable the trackpad on a MacBook by
>>> holding the VO keys (Control and Option) and then turning two fingers
>>> in the rodar gesture toward the left on the trackpad or counter
>>> clockwise. This will disable the trackpad and prevent your focus from
>>> jumping around if you touch the touchpad. The first few times I used
>>> Text Edit on my MacBook Pro, I turned off the trackpad using this
>>> gesture. I ran into the same issue you had with the trackpad. I
>>> haven't had to type for a long period on the MacBook yet, but I do
>>> like its keyboard and can see myself using it several hours at a
>>> stretch.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 9/22/15, Sherrie  wrote:
 I think if I had to take notes I would record the meeting and then
 transcribe it later at home.  I have List Recorder and like it.
 Just a thought.
 Sherrie
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
 
 This is my point, a regular usb keyboard, and it is still on about the
 most
 
 efficient way to type freely as secretary at a meeting.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Neal Ewers" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:48 PM
 Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
 
 
 What about a regular 101 key USB keyboard? Sorry, Now I have likely made
 this off topic.
 
 Neal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Rose Combs
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:22 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Taking notes for meeting, Mac or iPad?
 
 I feel your pain, I am doing a project at church in a few weeks and they
 asked if I had a laptop, I do, and at home I connect a
 wireless keyboard.  However, if I were to carry it around with me not an
 option and I am constantly hitting the touch pad on a
 Lenovo laptop and sending it to who knows where, I hate how far the
 keyboard
 
 is back, makes me lean forward and I keep resting the
 palm of either hand on the stupid thing,  On the Toshiba my husband had,
 very old, I could turn that off with function key 9, can't
 seem to do it on the Lenovo with any key, not even through the control
 panel, maybe it can be done, but so far not by me.
 
 I'd much rather type notes etc. but for now it looks like I will learn
 the
 Focus 14 commands which I did not have time for last
 spring when I bought the device and braille.  I love braille, don't get
 me
 wrong, however, in the past nearly 40 years I have typed
 8 hours or more a day,  brailed just maybe a couple of times a week or
 less.
 
 I once was very fast but now am not, especially on
 tiny keys on a braille display.  Well have to devote time to this instead
 of
 
 other things to make it work for me, I use the Focus
 minimally thus far as I was working full time in the spring,
 transitioning
 to a new company not by my choice, then ill, was
 terminated and am now retired earlier than I wished to be.
 
 Any display users, especially of the Focus are welcome to contact me at
 roseco...@q.com
 
 I read braille perfectly, recognize mistakes easily but, these little
 keys
 are going to be my downfall.  I used a Braille note for
 years, loved it but, probably will need something I can use where others
 can
 
 see what is happening is the reason I was asked about a
 laptop or I device.  My iPad is wifi only and bought just at the end of
 its
 
 cycle in early September 2013 as a present after I
 taught my husband how to use one with VO and zoom for him not me.  He
 bought
 
 me a mini after that and just before new announcements
 were made.  First gen so although I use it at home, it isn't going
 anywhere
 
 and his was donated to a friend who spent months on a
 ventilator unable 

Re: voice over bug in iOS 9

[christopher hallsworth]

Better than the "chipmunk" effect in iOS 8.x, still not good though and am glad 
a workaround exists.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 12:45, David Redman  wrote:
> 
> has anyone experienced this voice over bug; using apple music with my I phone 
> 6  and airplay to my apple tv voice over stutters and runs words together. 
> only after turning voice over off and then on again resolves the issue. 
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Re: Phone update

[christopher hallsworth]

It might be in the extras folder.
> On 22 Sep 2015, at 09:49, simon wong  wrote:
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> Hi everyone, so far I'm having no trouble since updating the phone, but I 
> would like to know, when do you find this find my  phone option?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Settings always in app switcher

[christopher hallsworth]

I haven't seen this either.

> On 23 Sep 2015, at 05:22, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I have noticed that since i upgraded my iPhone 6 to IOS 9, when I go into the 
> app switcher, Settings is always active, even though I have not launched it. 
> i close it, but the next time I use the phone and go into the app switcher to 
> close whatever app I am using, Settings is there again. Is this normal, and 
> if not, what can I do to stop this?
>  
> Andy
> I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me.
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Re: NEW EDITING FEATURE - LOVE IT!

[christopher hallsworth]

I love it also! Used it for real the first time today as part of sending an 
article to another list. Worked like a charm.

> On 22 Sep 2015, at 22:35, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
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> I have to say that I love the new editing feature and, for this alone, it's 
> well worth the upgrade, if you can put up with the bugs so far mentioned ...
>  
> I must say, though, that it took me a while to realise that you expanded the 
> selection by words or lines (instead of letters) by flicking down.  How I 
> wish I'd had a clue on that one!  
>  
> Anyway, despite the time I wasted figuring it out ... I'm delighted!
>  
> Carol P
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Re: VO Turning Off after a Phone Call

[christopher hallsworth]

Just an FYI. Make sure you are talking about "iOS 9.0.1" and not "iOS 9.1" 
which is currently in public beta. In fact, iOS 9.0.2 was released yesterday. 
So, if you can, please update to that. Thanks!
> On 30 Sep 2015, at 14:08, Craig Borne  wrote:
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> Hello list,
> Sorry if this was already posted, but after downloading IOS 9.1, my phone and 
> VO stop working immediately after hanging up from a phone call.
> Anyone else experiencing this, and is there a fix?
> Thank you,
> Craig
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1Password was Re: Facebook Password

[christopher hallsworth]

I always say this, but 1Password is great. There are free options, but in this 
case, you get what you pay for. Not forgotten a password since this app, or if 
I have I can reset it and use its password generator to make a new one.
> On 29 Sep 2015, at 22:57, Gmail  wrote:
> 
> I forgot to mention that 1Password can also store credit/debit card info, as 
> well as secure notes, warantee info, and software licences. Also, if you get 
> the upgrade, you can also create your own fields, like, oh, I don't know, 
> brand, modle name, etc. I plan to upgrade when I have the money, even if I 
> don't strictly-speaking need the features, since I'd like to support the 
> developer. I also plan to buy 1Passworf for Windows at some point.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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Re: 1Password was Re: Facebook Password

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah could do a podcast when I have free time, maybe next week I don't know?
> On 1 Oct 2015, at 21:57, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
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> hi Chris,
> 
> I have tried One Password couple of times but really haven't quite got it! I 
> would really like a "walk-through" and wonder whether you fancy helping me, 
> either by phone, email, or perhaps doing a podcast?
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 1 Oct 2015, at 8:53 p.m., christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> I always say this, but 1Password is great. There are free options, but in 
> this case, you get what you pay for. Not forgotten a password since this app, 
> or if I have I can reset it and use its password generator to make a new one.
>> On 29 Sep 2015, at 22:57, Gmail  wrote:
>> 
>> I forgot to mention that 1Password can also store credit/debit card info, as 
>> well as secure notes, warantee info, and software licences. Also, if you get 
>> the upgrade, you can also create your own fields, like, oh, I don't know, 
>> brand, modle name, etc. I plan to upgrade when I have the money, even if I 
>> don't strictly-speaking need the features, since I'd like to support the 
>> developer. I also plan to buy 1Passworf for Windows at some point.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
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Re: Question about the viewing of mail on an iPad

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Oh really? Now that, I didn't know. Nice one I switched Hannah over to Imap 
then especially now she checks mail on multiple devices.
> On 3 Oct 2015, at 20:16, Daniel Miller  wrote:
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> Yes, you can only use map now. Besides, pop3 is less secure.
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Can I chime in, please? Where's POP3? Within IOS8.3, I could get to it from 
>> other. Now, however, I can only see the incoming server's heading. Did Apple 
>> :( :( :( remove POP? And yeppers, using an IPad. 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Mary Otten  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2015 7:10 pm
>> Subject: Question about the viewing of mail on an iPad
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have had an iPad first generation and then an iPad mini two for sometime 
>>> now. I don't like the mail on this device, because whenever I open the mail 
>>> app, it automatically opens into a mail message rather than into my mailbox 
>>> list of messages. I have looked through settings, and I don't see a way to 
>>> change this. Even if I close the mail app with the messages list in view, 
>>> the next time I open it, it opens with A message opened. Is there a way 
>>> that I have been missing all these years to force this app open with the 
>>> messages list in view rather than having an individual message open? It 
>>> seems like there should be.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: terminals was: Re: Braille screen input. Is it just me, or really unreliable, indeed?

[christopher hallsworth]

While I have only connected a Braille display once, I can remember that the 
pair button is located to the top right of the screen, below the status bar. 
Alternatively, you can swipe quickly from the left of the keypad.
> On 5 Oct 2015, at 07:07, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have to say, while I kind of still am, and always have been against apple, 
> its truly incredible what they've done. Has anyone actually had success 
> typing in the code on both an apex and the IOS? Mine just yells pairing timed 
> out, but strangely, I can get the sense to pair immediately. Or am I right to 
> assume that its a HumanWare problem? 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:  eileen.misr...@gmail.com
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
> Date: Monday, October 5, 2015 12:18 am
> Subject: Re: Braille screen input. Is it just me, or really unreliable, 
> indeed?
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just want to let others know that MBraille at times isn't much better. I 
>> know it's a 3rd party app, but after attempting to word process for over 1/2 
>> hour that I give up and pair my Apex with the phone. I'm toying with 
>> purchasing the Smart Beetle for portability and not to deal with on screen 
>> braille keyboards. I have written to the developer about all the problems 
>> with the app and it appears that his hands are tied because it's iOS 
>> related. He did mention that those who are running 9.0... are having a 
>> better experience in using the app, but for various reasons I'm not 
>> upgrading as of yet. Thanks for listening and I truly hope one day us 
>> braille users will have a much better experience in the iOS environment.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Regina Alvarado  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anytime input is needed like email, messages, Safari, and today I must have 
>>> just barely touched the screen and it put me in a folder I was not trying 
>>> to go into. Yesterday and since I got my 6s, everything on tha screen took 
>>> a little pressure to make workdd It is just as if the screen got sloppy and 
>>> won't reae all touches or parts of touches. You can see this on this mail 
>>> and I used mBraille which has been working flawlessly until today. I have 
>>> even reset the phone and done a hard reboot to no avail. Just something to 
>>> put up with. 
>>> 
>>> reggie & Lex
>>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm still not following. What does it do/not do that makes it unreliable? 
>>> Are there certain apps or situations where it consistently fails, and 
>>> others where it works?
 On Oct 4, 2015, at 17:55, Rajmund  wrote:
 
 Hello Alex,
 Just go into braille input. If it works, awesome. But in my case, 
 unfortunately, I can't rely on it. Is there a setting I should change?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall  
 To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone  
 Date: Sunday, October 4, 2015 9:27 pm
 Subject: Re: Braille screen input. Is it just me, or really unreliable, 
 indeed?
 
> 
> 
> Can you explain more? I've been using this feature for over a year, ever 
> since iOS8.0, and it has really been one of the biggest game-changers in 
> iOS that I can remember. My only problem is how, sometimes, a space turns 
> into a dot 4 if I swipe wrong--I wish I could adjust the sensitivity of 
> that gesture like I can in mBraille. Aside from that, I've never had any 
> major problems, especially now in 9.x. Is there anything I could watch 
> for, or specific steps I could try, to reproduce the problems you all are 
> having?
>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 15:47, Regina Alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> "i have noticed this for quite some time as I either use the keyboard or 
>> mBraille. However, some days the touch of the screen is extremely 
>> unreliable and some days it is like pushing on an old typewriter. Today 
>> it is junk. Every app or email on the keyboard or even in mBraille is 
>> like typing on mush. I just do not get it, but I keep plugging away with 
>> it since I love the phone. By the way, This is not limited to 9.02. I 
>> thought 9.02 was better until today. So I'll keep plugging along. 
>> [smiley) 
>> 
>> reggie & Lex
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Rajmund > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> Is braille screen input in IOS9.02 really temporary, or am I missing 
>> something here? One day it feels like the braille sense, the other, its 
>> as if the screen wasn't working, but it is working. 
>> 
>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
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Re: Missing some braille commands in iOS

[christopher hallsworth]

Well I thought you could but will stand corrected if you can't. I know you can 
on a bluetooth keyboard. You can however do a double tap and hold on a Braille 
display for now.
> On 5 Oct 2015, at 05:45, Stephanie  wrote:
> 
> Can you move apps with a braille display?
> Steph
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:  englishride...@gmail.com
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
> Date: Monday, October 5, 2015 1:43 pm
> Subject: Re: Missing some braille commands in iOS
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mary, I think you get to the item chooser by pressing space with i.
>> 
>> As for the actions option in the rotor, press space with dots 2-3 or 5-6 to 
>> move backward/forward through your rotor; when you get to the actions 
>> option, press space with dot 3 or 6 to perform a one-finger flick up/down. 
>> Press space with dots 3-6 to perform a one-finger double-tap.
>> 
>> And if the double-tap-and-hold gesture on a Braille display works, just 
>> perform a double-tap (space with dots 3-6) after that gesture, and the 
>> delete option comes up.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just had a look at the braille commands on the Apple site for voiceover 
>>> using iOS. And I noticed that they do not list a command to go to the 
>>> dock.. I also looked at commands for a couple of braille displays, and I 
>>> did not see a command to go to the doc there either. There's one for the 
>>> status bar, but not for the dock. Similarly, I didn't see any way to 
>>> activate the item chooser or the action rotor where it exists. Am I just 
>>> missing something? Or have these lists not been updated? Or perhaps there 
>>> is another one somewhere that is more complete? I know that not everything 
>>> is supported on the braille display, such as the double tap and hold and 
>>> move apps around. But how about deleting an app? Can you do that? Of 
>>> course, as a fully hearing person, even if I did use a braille display, I 
>>> would never be as dependent on it as a deaf blind person. But some of these 
>>> things do seem like they need to be addressed, even the one where you move 
>>> apps around and make folders. Isn't that now doable from a Bluetooth 
>>> keyboard?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille screen input. Is it just me, or really unreliable, indeed?

[christopher hallsworth]

Works reliably well for me with iOS 9. To calibrate the dots on iPhone and 
iPod, Braille dots 4-5-6 quickly followed by dots 1-2-3. On iPad, Braille dots 
1-2-3-4-5-6 twice in rapid succession. Exploration mode allows you to locate 
the dots without inputting any text.
> On 5 Oct 2015, at 02:44, Paul Hunt  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone. For some reason the screen input mode keeps changing to six 
> dot. Also how do you calibrate? How does explore mode work?
> Thanks so much.
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Space: 1 finger to the right. Backspace, 1 to the left. New line, 2 fingers 
>> to the right. 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Paul Hunt  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2015 11:26 pm
>> Subject: Re: Braille screen input. Is it just me, or really unreliable, 
>> indeed?
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello everybody. How do you enter special characters like the space bar, 
>>> the delete and enter keys?
>>> 
 On Oct 4, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 Today,  its dead here, too. But yesterday, it felt like  an unreal dream. 
 Glad people have came across  it before.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Regina Alvarado  
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sunday, October 4, 2015 8:47 pm
 Subject: Re: Braille screen input. Is it just me, or really unreliable, 
 indeed?
 
> 
> 
> "i have noticed this for quite some time as I either use the keyboard or 
> mBraille. However, some days the touch of the screen is extremely 
> unreliable and some days it is like pushing on an old typewriter. Today 
> it is junk. Every app or email on the keyboard or even in mBraille is 
> like typing on mush.. I just do not get it, but I keep plugging away with 
> it since I love the phone. By the way, This is not limited to 9.02. I 
> thought 9.02 was better until today. So I'll keep plugging along. 
> [smiley) 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> Is braille screen input in IOS9.02 really temporary, or am I missing 
> something here? One day it feels like the braille sense, the other, its 
> as if the screen wasn't working, but it is working. 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
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> "i have noticed this for quite some time as I either use the keyboard or 
> mBraille. However, some days the touch of the screen is extremely 
> unreliable and some days it is like pushing on an old typewriter. Today 
> it is junk. Every app or email on the keyboard or even in mBraille is 
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Re: Braille screen input. Is it just me, or really unreliable, indeed?

[christopher hallsworth]

Well if you do get the Smart Beatle, you will have to upgrade to iOS 9 for 
native support. Otherwise, you will have to put it in emulation mode and choose 
BrailleSense.
> On 5 Oct 2015, at 00:18, eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I just want to let others know that MBraille at times isn't much better. I 
> know it's a 3rd party app, but after attempting to word process for over 1/2 
> hour that I give up and pair my Apex with the phone. I'm toying with 
> purchasing the Smart Beetle for portability and not to deal with on screen 
> braille keyboards. I have written to the developer about all the problems 
> with the app and it appears that his hands are tied because it's iOS related. 
> He did mention that those who are running 9.0... are having a better 
> experience in using the app, but for various reasons I'm not upgrading as of 
> yet. Thanks for listening and I truly hope one day us braille users will have 
> a much better experience in the iOS environment.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Anytime input is needed like email, messages, Safari, and today I must have 
>> just barely touched the screen and it put me in a folder I was not trying to 
>> go into. Yesterday and since I got my 6s, everything on tha screen took a 
>> little pressure to make workdd It is just as if the screen got sloppy and 
>> won't reae all touches or parts of touches. You can see this on this mail 
>> and I used mBraille which has been working flawlessly until today. I have 
>> even reset the phone and done a hard reboot to no avail. Just something to 
>> put up with. 
>> 
>> reggie & Lex
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm still not following. What does it do/not do that makes it unreliable? 
>> Are there certain apps or situations where it consistently fails, and others 
>> where it works?
>>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 17:55, Rajmund  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Alex,
>>> Just go into braille input. If it works, awesome. But in my case, 
>>> unfortunately, I can't rely on it. Is there a setting I should change?
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Alex Hall  
>>> To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone  
>>> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2015 9:27 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Braille screen input. Is it just me, or really unreliable, 
>>> indeed?
>>> 
 
 
 Can you explain more? I've been using this feature for over a year, ever 
 since iOS8.0, and it has really been one of the biggest game-changers in 
 iOS that I can remember. My only problem is how, sometimes, a space turns 
 into a dot 4 if I swipe wrong--I wish I could adjust the sensitivity of 
 that gesture like I can in mBraille. Aside from that, I've never had any 
 major problems, especially now in 9.x. Is there anything I could watch 
 for, or specific steps I could try, to reproduce the problems you all are 
 having?
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 15:47, Regina Alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> "i have noticed this for quite some time as I either use the keyboard or 
> mBraille. However, some days the touch of the screen is extremely 
> unreliable and some days it is like pushing on an old typewriter. Today 
> it is junk. Every app or email on the keyboard or even in mBraille is 
> like typing on mush. I just do not get it, but I keep plugging away with 
> it since I love the phone. By the way, This is not limited to 9.02. I 
> thought 9.02 was better until today. So I'll keep plugging along. 
> [smiley) 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Rajmund  > wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> Is braille screen input in IOS9.02 really temporary, or am I missing 
> something here? One day it feels like the braille sense, the other, its 
> as if the screen wasn't working, but it is working. 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
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Re: Alex voice

[christopher hallsworth]

This appears to be blank, but this is nothing new in Mail on iOS. I'm not even 
sure hew to reload the message.

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 06:45, Rajmund  wrote:
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> This message has no content.

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Re: low battery warning

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Settings, battery.

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 05:41, Paul Richard McGann  wrote:
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> to all,
>  
> could yo please tell me where I can find in settings that has low battery 
> notification. so I can look over and get the idea. I want to make sure to set 
> it on or off. thank you1
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Re: Apple Music

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

We do not get this here in the UK. It's kind of all or nothing. It sucks, but 
that's what it is. Apple probably couldn't settle for dealings with UK 
advertising. I love the service anyway being am a loyal music lover. Not just a 
fan but a lover. Was even born and bred with it. Anyway sorry going off topic 
now. Smile.


> On 10 Oct 2015, at 20:05, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
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> Yes, you can still listen to radio. If you have the subscription, you will 
> have unlimited skips. Without it, you only get six. 
> HTH, 
> Aleeha 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Robin  wrote:
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>> Once your FREE Trial is OVER, do you still receive TheRadio for FREE as you 
>> did prior to iOS8.4? I'm referrin'To iTunesRadio, but I don't know if 
>> TheName has Changed. I've heard it might be Beats'Radio
>> At 11:41 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>>> Once your 3 month trial is over, you will no longer be able to access the 
>>> music you have added to your library with Apple music unless you pay the 
>>> $10 per month for the service.
 On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Patti Johnson  wrote:
 
 Have decided to try this, but don't know if it will be worh the $10 you 
 may as well say, in 3 months.
 Right now I'm playing what they call The Grat American Song book, which is 
 lovely.  Does this mean if I don't pay for thi service, that music won't 
 be on my devices any more or do I ha ve to buy this patrticular album, or 
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Re: Apple Music

[christopher hallsworth]

The Beats portion is actually called Beats 1 and is a live radio station. The 
other section of radio, where you have variety stations or you can make your 
own, is what we're talking about here. I should add that in the UK we do get 
Beats 1 without becoming a member just like the other 99 or so countries.


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> did prior to iOS8.4? I'm referrin'To iTunesRadio, but I don't know if TheName 
> has Changed. I've heard it might be Beats'Radio
> At 11:41 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>> Once your 3 month trial is over, you will no longer be able to access the 
>> music you have added to your library with Apple music unless you pay the $10 
>> per month for the service.
>> > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Patti Johnson  wrote:
>> >
>> > Have decided to try this, but don't know if it will be worh the $10 you 
>> > may as well say, in 3 months.
>> > Right now I'm playing what they call The Grat American Song book, which is 
>> > lovely.  Does this mean if I don't pay for thi service, that music won't 
>> > be on my devices any more or do I ha ve to buy this patrticular album, or 
>> > segment?
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Re: Apple Music

[christopher hallsworth]

As others have said, the music will show up on your devices, but they will be 
unplayable unless you pay the $10 a month or purchase the music from the iTunes 
Store. What I haven't seen so far is this does include any music you make 
available offline.
> On 10 Oct 2015, at 19:39, Patti Johnson  wrote:
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> Have decided to try this, but don't know if it will be worh the $10 you may 
> as well say, in 3 months.
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Re: Unable to sync new playlists in Music

[christopher hallsworth]

This is probably to do with the iCloud Music library. You can turn this off in 
Settings > Music.
> On 9 Oct 2015, at 22:25, Chris Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I created a new playlist in iTunes on my mac. I use Yosemite still. When I go 
> to the iPhone section and arrow to music, it tells me that my iPhone can 
> access the cloud so all my music can be played from there. It  doesn’t want 
> to let me sync or remove playlists anymore. Is there a solution?
> 
> Friendly,
> Chris
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Re: selecting text, a new way?

[christopher hallsworth]

Very true and instructions has already been given so not going to reinvent the 
wheel. Check it out though; best feature in iOS 9 from an accessibility 
standpoint. I couldn't pinch either due to my poor coordination.
> On 11 Oct 2015, at 17:02, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
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> Hey all, I heard there is a new way to select text? True? If so, steps, 
> please! Never have gotten the pinch gesture correct. Perhaps it is my lack of 
> dexterity, but I am hoping Apple has actually given us a new way to do this.
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Re: Really weird, and strange issue when dictating

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Hi

Well today I had my bluetooth speakers connected to my iPad Mini 2 and listened 
to an album downloaded from Apple Music. When I turned the speakers off, the 
device went back to internal speakers, but the VoiceOver sounds were looping 
like a broken record. Gosh it was awful. I could hear VoiceOver just about so I 
can power down and power back up the iPad. Everything is now ok.
> On 9 Oct 2015, at 23:18, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have a really strange problem with my 4S. I have the latest update.
> However, this problem has now happened twice. After the latest update.
> 
> So far, this only seems to be happening when I go to dictate a text message. 
> When I tap on the dictate button, all of a sudden my phone makes this awful 
> noise, and will not stop. One friend who heard it, says that it sounds like 
> an old CB radio. It is very staticy, and just creepy sounding. When this 
> happens, you can not hear voice over.
> 
> I have a difficult time getting the phone to shut off. Just, because I can 
> not tell what I am doing. But if I shut it down, then turn it back on,, 
> things are back to normal.
> 
> What the heck could be going on?
> Has anyone else had this problem? if so, is there anything at all I can do 
> about it? This is rather freaky, and I do not like it.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Terri
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Re: Upgrading to IOS 9?

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Ditto. Even the first iteration(s) of iOS 9 is/are way better than iOS 8.
> On 11 Oct 2015, at 21:15, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
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> iOS 9 is fine, in my opinion. I have not seen the phone bug in a while, and 
> VO seems to be quite stable.
>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Kim Samco  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> I took to heart the warning about waiting to upgrade until some of the bugs 
>> are worked out.  Is it "safe" to upgrade now or is it still at the point of 
>> frustration?  Do we know when IOS 9.1 will be out?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Kim
>> 
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Re: What? IOS 9.02 already downloaded?

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You need to go to Settings > General > Software Update and double tap on 
install now.
> On 11 Oct 2015, at 21:28, Kim Samco  wrote:
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> 
> So I decided to take the plunge and upgrade and it says I've already 
> downloaded it.  Can it do this automatically?  And, why haven't I noticed any 
> changes?  I'm confused (which doesn't take much, I admit).
> 
> Kim
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Re: Recommended recording app

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That's how I record my podcasts too. What's great now is Dropvox can directly 
record in MP3 whereas before I had to use some sound editor for PC or mac, 
convert the m4a file to MP3 and re-upload.
> On 5 May 2015, at 23:53, Brandon A. Olivares  wrote:
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> I use Dropvox. It puts my recordings right in Dropbox, so they are available 
> on my computer, too. That’s how I record my piano lessons, and it works great 
> for me.
> 
>> On May 2, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Daniel McGee  wrote:
>> 
>> Just tried clear record. The free version and straight away what I didn't 
>> like is that when I hit the record button, the sound defaulted to 
>> headphones. Anyway I can get it to default to speaker? Also, it didn't even 
>> recorded the music I tested it with. I put this down to defaulting to 
>> headphone though. If this can't be changed, then it looks like that this app 
>> isn't for me. 
>> 
>> Thank you for all the help so far. It's really appreciated. 
>> Daniel 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 May 2015, at 17:43, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, I have the list recorder full, full being unlimited 
>>> recording.this is a great product, you may use the free version to 
>>> learn about it.  Also, I have clear record, this is another great recorder 
>>> for on the go.  Both can have your recordings sent to either e-mail or the 
>>> other sent to dropbox.  You can be at a meeting and as long as you have if, 
>>> can send things prior to being home.  You may look at both products to see  
>>> if any work good for you.  It is hard to know what your needs can be so 
>>> just look and try different apps.  Hope some of this helps you.  Andy and 
>>> Shubert  
>>> B
>>>  
>>> From: Isaac Hebert
>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 12:16 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Recommended recording app
>>>  
>>> Here are some apps that you might be looking for.
>>> Voice Recorder HD for Audio Recording, Playback, Trimming and Sharing by 
>>> eFUSION Co., Ltd.
>>> https://appsto.re/us/vNdpw.i 
>>> Here is also a podcast for this app to.
>>>  
>>> http://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast698.mp3 
>>> Here is another app.
>>>   it's called ht prefessional recorder.
>>> Here is the podcat to the app.
>>> http://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast583.mp3 
>>> Here is  the app store link to the app.
>>>  
>>> HT Professional Recorder by Applied Voices LLC
>>> https://appsto.re/us/8hEBr.i
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 1, 2015, at 5:07 AM, Daniel McGee  wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Hi all, can anyone recommend a good recording app for the iPhone that is 
 accessible with VoiceOver. 
 
 I an currently using the voice memos app pre installed on the iPhone but 
 an seeking something better. 
 
 With any recommendations, it's got to be able to convert to mp3 and sync 
 across to my Mac because with these recordings I make, I need to be able 
 to send them via email and I've found that sending them all at once in one 
 go from the Mac is by far easier than separately on ios itself. 
 Oh and if the app was to support I cloud drive, well I guess that would 
 make it a bit easier too. 
 
 Thanks in advance for any recommendations that hopefully in due course 
 will be forth coming from this list.
 
 Daniel 
 
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Re: is there any accessible youtube downloader for Iphone?

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Not tried this myself, but Downie is a Youtube downloader which can optionally 
extract the audio portion. I heard it's accessible. Again, not tried this 
myself so would appreciate any feedback from those who have. The Mac version is 
definitely accessible because I have it here so should know *smile*.
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> hello. I would like to know if there is an accessible youtube downloader. 
> thanks
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Re: is there any accessible youtube downloader for Iphone?

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I'm not sure either, but have read that major changes to the Youtube API have 
caused third party apps to stop working as far as downloading content goes.
> On 9 May 2015, at 18:39, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
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>   Just tried Downie and it is indeed accessible. 
> Unfortunately, however, it returns an error message saying it can no longer 
> download YouTube content.  I don’t know if this is because the developer has 
> not updated the app to the new API or if it is indeed not possible for these 
> types of apps to work with Google anymore.  I did hear that Google was 
> planning a subscription service for YouTube in the near future, so maybe they 
> are getting ready for that by restricting what the third party apps are able 
> to do, but not sure of that.  
> 
> 
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>> wrote:
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>> Not tried this myself, but Downie is a Youtube downloader which can 
>> optionally extract the audio portion. I heard it's accessible. Again, not 
>> tried this myself so would appreciate any feedback from those who have. The 
>> Mac version is definitely accessible because I have it here so should know 
>> *smile*.
>>> On 9 May 2015, at 08:12, masood  wrote:
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>>> hello. I would like to know if there is an accessible youtube downloader. 
>>> thanks
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Re: Hot keys for OS X

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Would these be listed in System Preferences > keyboard > shortcuts?
> On 14 May 2015, at 14:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> The command you want here is ctrl-f5 (remember that you might need to add the 
> function key, depending on your settings). This moves between wherever you 
> are and the toolbar, if one is present. Control with most of the F keys does 
> something--f2 jumps to the menu bar like vo-m, f3 goes to the dock, f4 moves 
> between open windows in an app (like cmd-accent), and f8 moves to the Status 
> Menus. In most text fields, control with different letters does something, 
> too--ctrl-t will transpose the two character the cursor is between, ctrl-d is 
> forward delete (same as fn-delete) and plenty more. Here are two links to OS 
> X shortcuts, though I can't find the one I was hoping to:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
> http://www.danrodney.com/mac/
>> On May 14, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Robin Christopherson 
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>> Dear listers
>>  
>> Sorry that this is a little off topic for a phone list but I’m gradually 
>> getting to grips with OS X and one Q I have is whether there are hot keys 
>> for easy jumping around sections of an app – a little like F6 in Windows. 
>> For example many apps have a sidebar and, whilst you can use VO+J to move to 
>> and interact with a related element I can’t see an easy way of jumping to 
>> that sidebar regardless of where you are in an app’s UI. Any general 
>> keystrokes that help you quickly get somewhere within an app would be good. 
>> I know about the item chooser of course.
>>  
>> Thanks
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Re: Qustion about voice dream writer

[christopher hallsworth]

It happens automatically. As soon as you double tap back, the document is saved.
> On 15 May 2015, at 05:59, Lori Dent  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
>  After I create a folder in voice dream writer, and Ihave written in that 
> folder document how do I save that document so I can go back to it again if 
> need be? Thanks.
>  
> Lori and the Gipper
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iOS Braille display observations from prospective user

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi all

I checked out a few podcasts on using Braille displays and iOS from here
www.applevis.com
I have a couple of very good observations.
1. Using the cursor routing button above or below to activate an item is just 
fantastic. I feel this is the equivalent of one finger tapping on an item as if 
you were not a VoiceOver user.
2. The display commands are almost identical between iOS and OS X. This is 
again fantastic as there is not a great learning curve to be faced with. This 
is of course true when using a bluetooth keyboard.

Hope you agree with my observations from a prospective user.

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Re: iPhone 6 or 6 plus

[christopher hallsworth]

My new regular caregiver has a 6. I seem to be able to hear it well despite my 
profound impairment in my left and moderately severe impairment in my right. In 
conclusion, this must be a good phone to get next then *smile*.
> On 15 May 2015, at 17:30, Pinky  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Do you find the sound better on the 6 or the 6 plus?  I have a severe hearing 
> impairment and would be interested to know which one has the better and 
> louder sound or clearer sound?
> Thanks in advance
> Ed
> 
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> Subject: iPhone 6 or 6 plus
> 
> I decided to start a new thread to answer Carol's question. 
> 
> I like the somewhat smaller size of the 6; and, besides, rushing to get 
> something on launch day, my 6 plus is only a 16GB, while my 6 is a 64GB. And, 
> not that I really need it to be since I'm intending on staying with AT&T, but 
> my 6 is also an unlocked phone. My 6 plus is on the Next plan with AT&T, 
> meaning their kind of installment plan, as that is all I could get on launch 
> day, unless I wanted to sign a two year contract. Now, as I understand it, I 
> actually own this 6 plus; and, while my relative can't get it unlocked until 
> it is paid off, I have the option of paying off now, or letting my family 
> member have the phone while I just keep making the payments.
> 
> Back to my reasons for getting the 6, I wanted the larger capacity, just in 
> case I ever needed it, and I wanted to compare the 6 and 6 plus. Thus, for 
> me, the battery life on the 6 wasn't all that much less to make me still want 
> the plus. Also, when using the KNFB Reader, I, personally, got just as good 
> results with the 6 as with the plus. Then, too, when using MBRAILLE, my hands 
> just seemed to fit better, making me type more accurately,  on the 6.
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Re: iOS Braille display observations from prospective user

[christopher hallsworth]

Aw ok. So it's you whose voice I heard this morning UK time *smile*. Great 
stuff. We look forward to hearing them.
> On 15 May 2015, at 13:52, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> I'm glad you found the podcasts helpful, Chris. I'll probably record a
> new one that is more comprehensive for iOS 8, instead of the one
> that's up there now for iOS 6, with the 2 other ones talking about
> changes from 6 to 7 and then 7 to 8.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 5/15/15, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I checked out a few podcasts on using Braille displays and iOS from here
>> www.applevis.com
>> I have a couple of very good observations.
>> 1. Using the cursor routing button above or below to activate an item is
>> just fantastic. I feel this is the equivalent of one finger tapping on an
>> item as if you were not a VoiceOver user.
>> 2. The display commands are almost identical between iOS and OS X. This is
>> again fantastic as there is not a great learning curve to be faced with.
>> This is of course true when using a bluetooth keyboard.
>> 
>> Hope you agree with my observations from a prospective user.
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Re: Qustion about voice dream writer

[christopher hallsworth]

This is correct. Not sure where they get saved, but theoretically it should be 
in the folder you just created.
> On 15 May 2015, at 19:35, Lori Dent  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> So after I creat  a folder and then I'm in the document  that I created  and 
> after I'm done writing  in the document all I need to do is double tap on the 
> back button and it will automatically save the document is this right? Where 
> is the document saved at? Take care.
> 
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Re: Qustion about voice dream writer

[christopher hallsworth]

 Thought it was, but have been proven wrong by the app which I now have on my 
iPad Mini 2 thanks to this query.I don't think it's possible.
> On 15 May 2015, at 20:30, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Chris, looking at'the file manager in Voice Dream Writer, I can't see a way 
> to create a folder. How is this done, please?
> 
> Craig
> 
> On Friday, May 15, 2015, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> This is correct. Not sure where they get saved, but theoretically it should 
> be in the folder you just created.
> > On 15 May 2015, at 19:35, Lori Dent  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > So after I creat  a folder and then I'm in the document  that I created  
> > and after I'm done writing  in the document all I need to do is double tap 
> > on the back button and it will automatically save the document is this 
> > right? Where is the document saved at? Take care.
> >
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Re: iOS Braille display observations from prospective user

[christopher hallsworth]

You can find them at
www.applevis.com

> On 15 May 2015, at 21:29, Paul Parravano  wrote:
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> Hi Scott,
> 
> How can I find your podcasts please?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS Braille display observations from prospective user
> 
> I'm glad you found the podcasts helpful, Chris. I'll probably record a
> new one that is more comprehensive for iOS 8, instead of the one
> that's up there now for iOS 6, with the 2 other ones talking about
> changes from 6 to 7 and then 7 to 8.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 5/15/15, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I checked out a few podcasts on using Braille displays and iOS from here
>> www.applevis.com
>> I have a couple of very good observations.
>> 1. Using the cursor routing button above or below to activate an item is
>> just fantastic. I feel this is the equivalent of one finger tapping on an
>> item as if you were not a VoiceOver user.
>> 2. The display commands are almost identical between iOS and OS X. This is
>> again fantastic as there is not a great learning curve to be faced with.
>> This is of course true when using a bluetooth keyboard.
>> 
>> Hope you agree with my observations from a prospective user.
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Re: Another question about voice dream writer

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

Ok, when you first install the app, you are prompted to enable or disable 
iCloud for this app. What this means? Your documents can not only be saved 
locally; it can also be synchronized with iCloud using iCloud Drive. You only 
get prompted once, so if you change your mind at a later date you will have to 
either reinstall the app or go to Settings > iCloud > iCloud Drive and turn off 
Voice Dream Writer. In either case, documents are only saved if you provide a 
name in the document name text field. Sorry about that; there is no back button 
in the app. Shows I've not used it for a bit *smile*. Seriously, I hope these 
answers your question(s).
> On 16 May 2015, at 02:50, Lori Dent  wrote:
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> Hi all,
>  
>  
> Okay after Iwas done writing in the document in voice dream writer, I didn't 
> even see a back button so I'm assuming I then double tap on the file manager 
> to save the document. Well  I did that and  I don't see my documents  where 
> are they saved to? Also, I noticed that iCloud is enabled  but  it says 
> something like your files are cyncronized  with iCloud and accessible from 
> other devices. I only have one device.
>  
> So does this mean I have to go to my iCloud to see my documents that I was 
> working on in the voice dream writer app?I don't remember doing anything with 
> iCloud and where is iCloud at?
>  
> I thought my documents are supposed to be saved in the voice dream writer app 
> and if so are they stored in the file manager ? I need a little help with 
> this. Thanks.
>  
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Re: Can anyone recommend a good memory and disk cleaner app for IPad??

[christopher hallsworth]

In case you didn't know, you can run iPhone apps on your iPad. In the App 
Store, double tap iPad apps button. In the popup, double tap iPhone apps 
button. iPhone apps on iPad generally run well, however they do not take up all 
of the screen by default. There is a button to switch to full screen to get 
around this.
> On 16 May 2015, at 08:15, Eleanor Roberts  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all 
> 
> Was just wondering if anyone could recommend a good memory and disk cleaning 
> app for my IPad? I have apps for my IPhone, but the same ones don't seem to 
> be available for the IPad. The app I use on my phone, Battery Doctor, says 
> for IPhone only. So any suggestions much appreciated. 
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
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Re: Page Change Gesture Not Working

[christopher hallsworth]

I agree with Carol P's query about "undesired" results in Mail and motion. 
However I think I know what the "undesired" settings for motion are. In fact, 
there is only one. Turn on reduced motion under settings > general > 
accessibility.
> On 16 May 2015, at 16:42, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> There are a number of settings that are changed by a factory reset:
> 
> - VO toggle via 3-click home key is disabled
> - portrait orientation lock is disabled
> - typing mode is reset to standard
> - motion settings are reset to undesired defaults
> - mail options are set to undesired defaults
> 
> It isn't a big deal if you're aware of all the changes, but so often 
> something gets overlooked and it is a pain in the ass to have to go back into 
> settings to have the phone set up as one desires.
> 
> 
> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
> - "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Page Change Gesture Not Working
> 
> 
> What havoc does a factory reset do to the accessibility settings? Won't
> the triple click of the home button still start up VoiceOver like it
> does on a new phone?
> 
> On 05/15/2015 06:46 PM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>> Oh yes, we are very reluctant to do a factory reset because of the havoc
>> that raises with the accessibility settings as well as other customized
>> settings.
>> 
>> And, yes, she has done a hard reboot of her iPhone 6.  Also, it is a 128
>> GB platform running iOS 8.3.
>> 
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Re: Another question about voice dream writer

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

No worries. Any time you have a problem with an app this is one of the first 
lines of troubleshooting; deleting and reinstalling the app.


> On 16 May 2015, at 18:48, Lori Dent  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> What I ended up doing was deleteing the voice dream writer app and 
> reinstalling it. Then I opened the app for the first time and I selected to 
> create a   name for the document . Then after I was done writing in the 
> document I double tapped on the file manager  and it's there . So everything 
> is fine now.
> 
> By the way now that I'm learning to use this app I'm loving it a lot. Thanks 
> for your help.
> 
> Lori and the Gipper 
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Re: KNFB Reader

[christopher hallsworth]

iTunes gift cards and iTunes gifts can only be redeemed or used in the same 
country where the gift card or gift was originally purchased.
> On 18 May 2015, at 03:34, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> A friend in India Has just purchased IPhone5S otherday but he doesn’t have an 
> Itune account nor giftcards from Itune store? Is it ok if I buy the gift card 
> in Canada and he uses it in India?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shaf
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 12:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader
>  
> Accessibility has no relevance to iTunes Store Support. Either they issue a 
> refund or they don't, the excuse is irrelevant.
> 
> On 5/17/2015 8:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> I would not rely on getting a refund for an app designed for the blind which 
> is perfectly which is fully accessible and on top of that works fantastically 
> well.
> 
>  
> 
> I suggest that Ketan looks for sales on iTunes gift cards, maybe a birthday 
> is an occasion Reader definitely beats all else out there.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sieghard
> 
>  
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shaf
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 10:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader
> 
>  
> 
> Nope. If you end up not liking the app, contact Apple for a refund.
> 
> On 5/17/2015 4:02 PM, Ketan Kothari wrote:
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
>  
> 
> Does KNFB reader offer trial in any way?  I am aware that Apple does not 
> allow any demoetc. but any inovative method? 
> 
>  
> 
> Please do enlighten me as in India the cost is too high.
> 
>  
> 
> With best wishes,
> 
>  
> 
> Ketan
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Re: Speech Off VS Voiceover Off?

[christopher hallsworth]

While I do not own a compatible Braille display, I should imagine muting speech 
would be very useful for Braille users too.
> On 18 May 2015, at 02:08, David Cleveland  wrote:
> 
> When you turn off speech with the gesture you will still have voiceover 
> running in the background. This means that all the normal voiceover gestures 
> will still apply. Once you turn off voice over with the triple click home 
> jester you will lose all of the normal voiceover gestures and the phone will 
> go back to normal operation. It is helpful sometimes to turn off speech when 
> running apps that have their own voice built in. Also if you were watching a 
> video or listening to a podcast you might want to turn off speech to avoid 
> getting interrupted by different alerts and such. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 16, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks much, Jonathan. Actually, I’ve to show a  picture in Whatsapp to my 
>> doctor, should I turn just the speech off or VO off before handing the phone 
>> to her so she could make the picture bigger or smaller as needed?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Speech Off VS Voiceover Off?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Fazil, turning VoiceOver off exits the whole screen reader. Speech off 
>> just mutes the 14 Blue.
>> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> 
>> Mosen Consulting
>> 
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> 
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 17/05/2015, at 7:55 am, Fazil  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi, list.
>> 
>> Is speech off (3-finger-double-tap) and Voiceover off) (triple-click Home 
>> Button) the samething?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Fazil, turning VoiceOver off exits the whole screen reader. Speech off 
>> just mutes the 14 Blue.
>> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
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>> 
>> Hi, list.
>> 
>> Is speech off (3-finger-double-tap) and Voiceover off) (triple-click Home 
>> Button) the samething?
>> 
>> Thanks!
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Re: Question on updating to IOS 8.3

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iCloud Drive shares the free 5 GB storage plan you have.
> On 18 May 2015, at 20:36, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is iCloud drive different from the 5GB of iCloud storage we used to get for 
> free?
> 
>  
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alex Hall
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 1:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
>  
> 
> It's up to you, really. If you never use iCloud to sync data and documents, 
> you're fine. If, however, devices and be just fine. If not, leave it off.
> 
>  
> 
> I know you said you never use iCloud, but iOS is very good at making 
> background features like actually using iCloud and simply didn't realize it.
> 
> On May 18, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Pinky  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I updated my iPad from IOS 7 to IOS 8.3. After updating it asked me if I want 
> to being asked  me after I updated.  I don’t store anything in iCloud.
> 
>  
> 
> Ed
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Re: Question regarding Spotify

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If you have an iPad, there's no need to subscribe to Spotify unless you don't 
want the ads. If not, then you will have to subscribe to get the best out of 
Spotify. It costs $9.99 US/month.
> On 19 May 2015, at 07:22, princessterr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I was wondering, does anyone know how much Spotify cost? Is it a monthly 
> subscription?
> Or is it a yearly subscription? I am running a trial version of it right now, 
> that last about a week. I am considering purchasing it. But I would like to 
> know how much it cost, before I do this.
> I looked into getting Pandora a while back, but it is about four dollars a 
> month. I realize that is not a lot of money. But when you have to watch 
> everything you spend, then it kind of becomes that way.
> However, I really like Spotify. It was not very much, I might consider doing 
> this.
> 
> Any help would be very much appreciated.
> 
> Thank you,
> Terri Stimmel
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Re: I heard from Winston Chen

[christopher hallsworth]

Same here. Was going to forward it to the list but didn't. *smile*.
> On 19 May 2015, at 05:52, Lori Dent  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
>  
> i received an email back from Winston Chen  earlier today and I just saw it 
> just a few minutes ago.
> He said my suggestion was a good one and he will add it to his to do list.
>  
> Lori and the Gipper
> 
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