Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

[David L Babcock]

It looks to me me like our Navy guy is doing The Right Thing: getting a 
ground floor patent that covers /everything/ that hasn't been done yet 
in LENR. Necessarily he ties it to a theory; the one he's got, or that 
he thinks has the best chance. I wouldn't be surprised if he repeats the 
whole thing, but with a different theory, to cover more eventualities.


Ol' Bab, who was an engineer...


On 6/24/2012 5:28 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

In reply to  David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:57:24 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,

In private email with someone not from this list, someone suggested to me that
the WL theory was the beast candidate so far for an explanation of CF.
I would suggest rather that it is the theory most easily accepted by the
mainstream because it requires that they make the least adjustment to their
current way of thinking. God forbid that they should have been totally wrong
their entire lives. The dent to their egos would be just too much to bear. ;)


[snip]

This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power production 
[snip] Dave

Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

[David Roberson]

Oh my, guess I used a bad word!  I hope that you guys will forgive me for such 
a terrible suggestion.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:49 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:US government patents LENR



Dave typo’d:
“… and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon…”
 
celibate = abstaining from sex; 
I thought the whole purpose of going to the pub was not to celibate?
J
-m
 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:57 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

 

This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power 
production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with 
protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual gamma 
rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary 
if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?

 

I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based 
upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the 
nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.

 

Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress 
will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope 
that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. 
 It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to 
continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure 
that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating.  The recent 
paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs 
to be fleshed out.

 

Dave  





-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf

 

METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS

 

 

The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with 
the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy 
neutrons. 

Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

[mixent]

In reply to  David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:57:24 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,

In private email with someone not from this list, someone suggested to me that
the WL theory was the beast candidate so far for an explanation of CF. 
I would suggest rather that it is the theory most easily accepted by the
mainstream because it requires that they make the least adjustment to their
current way of thinking. God forbid that they should have been totally wrong
their entire lives. The dent to their egos would be just too much to bear. ;)


[snip]
>
>This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power 
>production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with 
>protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual gamma 
>rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is 
>necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?
>
>I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based 
>upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the 
>nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.
>
>Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress 
>will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope 
>that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven 
>incorrect.  It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other 
>researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one 
>really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one 
>operating.  The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another 
>possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out.
>
>Dave  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Axil Axil 
>To: vortex-l 
>Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
>Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR
>
>
>http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf
> 
>METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS
> 
> 
>The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas 
>with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy 
>neutrons. 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Dave typo'd:

". and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon."

 

celibate = abstaining from sex; 

I thought the whole purpose of going to the pub was not to celibate?

J

-m

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:57 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

 

This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power
production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with
protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual
gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is
necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?

 

I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based
upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the
nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.

 

Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress
will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope
that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven
incorrect.  It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other
researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one
really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one
operating.  The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another
possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out.

 

Dave  





-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

 <http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf>
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf

 

METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS

 

 

The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas
with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low
energy neutrons. 

Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

[James Bowery]

It would appear the government has a double standard regarding cold fusion
patents.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

> This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power
> production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with
> protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual
> gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is
> necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?
>
> I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is
> based upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate
> at the nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.
>
> Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that
> progress will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than
> before I hope that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is
> proven incorrect.  It would be in the best interest of everyone for them
> and other researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since
> no one really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and
> only one operating.  The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of
> another possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out.
>
> Dave
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
> Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR
>
>  http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf
>
>  METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS
>
>
>  The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty
> plasmas with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated
> low energy neutrons.
>

Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

[David Roberson]

This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power 
production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with 
protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual gamma 
rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary 
if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?

I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based 
upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the 
nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.

Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress 
will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope 
that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. 
 It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to 
continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure 
that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating.  The recent 
paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs 
to be fleshed out.

Dave  







-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR


http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf
 
METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS
 
 
The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with 
the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy 
neutrons.