Re: [Vo]:The Brick

[Michele Comitini]

Il 22 febbraio 2012 23:23, Terry Blanton  ha scritto:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Michele Comitini
>  wrote:
>> I agree this seems idiotic.
>
> Indeed!  PDGT is installing a GSM link to inform them if their
> Hyperions need service.  And they cost a lot less!!
the needed hardware  board could range around 40$ for an order  200 <
n < 1000 less for more.  Still there be need some good firmware and
good engineering and those would bring the price much higher  but only
for small volumes.

Something like the following does provide much of what is needed:

http://www.telit.com/en/products.php?p_id=3&p_ac=show&p=109


mic

Re: [Vo]:The Brick

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Michele Comitini
 wrote:
> I agree this seems idiotic.

Indeed!  PDGT is installing a GSM link to inform them if their
Hyperions need service.  And they cost a lot less!!

Fortunately, my Tesla stock is still trading around $3500 per share,
twice my investment price.

I wonder how Toyota will solve this with the RAV4 using a Tesla battery?

I understand the Leaf will not allow one to discharge the battery
beyond a certain level.  This further limits the range but avoids
damage to the battery.

T

Re: [Vo]:The Brick

[Michele Comitini]

I agree this seems idiotic.  They could just isolate the battery pack
from any connection except a small controller that wakes up at regular
intervals or in case of external events and checks the status.
It needs a board with 3d accelerometer, pressure sensor, temp sensor,
gps,  and of course gpio connected radio key decoder.  The board can
have 3G capability to send alert if battery is dying and other events
through sms, email or rpc.  The status of the battery would be know
remotely with accuracy.  The board could run on its own battery (2 AA
would suffice for a year).  It would also function as a car alarm.

mic

Il 22 febbraio 2012 21:55, Terry Blanton  ha scritto:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>> Or - a few random thoughts on how to turn your most prized possession into a
>> brick...
>>
>> http://theunderstatement.com/post/18030062041/its-a-brick-tesla-motors-devas
>> tating-design
>
> The problem could be easily solved with a hard battery disconnect to
> avoid the car's inherent inactive load from draining the battery.  It
> could deplete still; but, over a much longer time . . . months as
> opposed to weeks.
>
> I presume the OS for the vehicle is in non-volatile memory.
>
> T
>

RE: [Vo]:The Brick

[Jones Beene]

From: Terry 

http://theunderstatement.com/post/18030062041/its-a-brick-tesla-motors-devas
tating-design

> The problem could be easily solved with a hard battery disconnect to avoid
the car's inherent inactive load from draining the battery. It could deplete
still; but, over a much longer time . . . months as opposed to weeks.


Or given the exorbitant cost of the battery replacement, a tiny Wankel
genset would be an elegant solution ... the 150 cc is surprisingly tiny and
powerful.

http://www.freedom-motors.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9
6&Itemid=78
http://green.autoblog.com/gallery/fev-wankel-range-extender/#photo-1509601

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Re: [Vo]:The Brick

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
> Or - a few random thoughts on how to turn your most prized possession into a
> brick...
>
> http://theunderstatement.com/post/18030062041/its-a-brick-tesla-motors-devas
> tating-design

The problem could be easily solved with a hard battery disconnect to
avoid the car's inherent inactive load from draining the battery.  It
could deplete still; but, over a much longer time . . . months as
opposed to weeks.

I presume the OS for the vehicle is in non-volatile memory.

T

RE: [Vo]:The Brick

[Jones Beene]

One comment which I was hoping to elicit from the Free Energy Futurists of
Vortex, re:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2012/0034528.html

... is this: since the prime claim of this patent seems to involve a
nanopowder version of "protonated titanate" - aren't they really talking
about an LENR battery? Maybe I am reading too much into it.

If not, the assignee may have found a niche that beats the heck out of
recapping. 

We know that hydrogen isotopes are active in titanium nanopowder going back
to Otto Reifenschweiler (reduced radioactivity of tritium in titanium nano
particles). And a lot of people did research in the 1990s (notably Dash et
al) on deuterium loaded titanium electrolysis. So there is adequate
precedent for the positive effect of titanium confinement on the two heavier
isotopes of hydrogen.

But as far as I can tell from scanning the LENR-CANR archives, no one has
published positive results on protium loading of titanium oxides at all. And
EEStor, "back in the day" did not employ hydrogen loading either, AFAIK.

Therefore, it appears possible that despite the similarity to other work in
two different fields, Mark Wendman may have found a fabulous niche for this
- and adequately protected it. 

Obviously no one would never be so foolish as to claim OU from a battery
configuration, but extraordinary performance might nevertheless be related
to the ability of Cavity QED to operate on protons in a way that gave
stunning performance. (in my dreams and Roarty's as well)

Bottom line. Will a "bettery" be forthcoming this time around, will it
salvage the electric car, or will this new twist on titanate instead drag-on
interminably like the EEStor fiasco?

Jones

_

Or - a few random thoughts on how to turn your most prized
possession into a brick...


http://theunderstatement.com/post/18030062041/its-a-brick-tesla-motors-devas
tating-design

So sad. Many of us had highest hopes for Tesla being the
continuation of what can now be called the "Jobs Karma"... following the
miracle at Cupertino and prior string of successes in that area: Intel, AMD,
Google, HP, you know the litany of the NBT (next big thing) ... and Tesla
Motors was to be a major part of the new-energy version of the 'next big
thing' - (which always seems to fins a nexus in the SF Bay area, for
whatever reason).

Maybe Tesla can pull it off eventually, but it is looking
grim to many skeptics, with Fisker ready to bit the bullet, and they will
likely take A123 with them. After all, Colma is the next stop up the road
from silicon valley (local joke).

One of the main reasons that Tesla looked to be in the
driver's seat, so to speak, a few ago was that EEStor - which is/was almost
completely unrelated to them (except for roots in Silicon Valley) looked
like it would be the salvation of many Eco-optimist's green dreams. EEStor
have tanked, technically, but a legacy lives on, and it is not with Zenn
(which is also gasping for air). 

In the most recent http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/ there
is a hint of salvation. Note the patent from Mark A Wendman (Freemont, CA,
US) Application Number: 13/068832.

Now for the 'connect the dots' segment of today's broadcast.


Although Tesla motors is headquartered is in Palo Alto,
their plant is in ... ta da ... Freemont, CA, US. Coincidence or no? Some of
the insider info - and a picture of Mark Wendman appears here:


http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/2010/08/vinod-khosla-only-interested-in-s
hares.html

... but it is all a bit dated.

Anyway - the dream of the 'next big thing' in energy lives
on, even if Rossi and DGT should falter, and it could involve both the
so-called "Bettery" which is the electrical storage device that costs about
2/3 less than the present best solution (LiFePo) for the same capacity and
half the weight, and ... an onboard recharging capability which does not
involve fossil fuel.  

This could and should involve LENR, or else it could have
even involved something from a world away (like what was supposed to have
emerged from South Africa recently) but since that will not likely happen,
who will be the next contender ? 

(insert Marlon's famous line from 'On the Waterfront' with
Rossi's accent)

Stay tuned...

Jones


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