Re: [vox-tech] "bring to front" X-window command

2004-10-02 Thread Mark K. Kim 
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Jonathan Stickel wrote:

> However, I would like to override this feature in my program so that the
> window rises to the top no matter what the WM/DE trys to do.

That seems to defeat the purpose of that feature in KDE which you're
trying to override!

> From what
> I understand, setting the "override-redirect" attribute of the window to
> "True" should do what I want.  Instead, nothing happens when
> XRaiseWindow is called, neither in KDE or Openbox.

>From an earlier conversation in this thread, I got the impression that
"override-redirect" is something that the window manager uses to override
the default behavior of the application (to override the XRaiseWindow call
of the application.)  In your case, KDE uses "override-redirect" to
prevent your app from coming up to the top.  The app doesn't get to do the
overriding, only the WM.  Or that's the impression I got from earlier
posting in this thread...

Wish I could be of more help!

-Mark


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Re: [vox-tech] "bring to front" X-window command

2004-10-02 Thread Jonathan Stickel 
Bill Kendrick wrote:
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 02:06:24PM -0700, Jonathan Stickel wrote:
Finally got around to trying this, and it does work directly in "simple" 
windows managers (tested in openbox).  However, it doesn't quite work in 
KDE.  Rather than the window coming to the top, the window's entry in 
the taskbar just flashes at me.

KDE does have an option to 'reduce focus from being lost', e.g. by pop-ups,
so the flashing is probably their way of dealing with it.
Try the above again, with that focus option turned off.
Yep, you are right.  In KDE 3.3, the option is "Focus stealing 
prevention level: none|low|medium|high|extreme".  Setting it to "none" 
allows my code to bring the desired window to the top.

However, I would like to override this feature in my program so that the 
window rises to the top no matter what the WM/DE trys to do.  From what 
I understand, setting the "override-redirect" attribute of the window to 
"True" should do what I want.  Instead, nothing happens when 
XRaiseWindow is called, neither in KDE or Openbox.  Any ideas here?

If I can't override the WM, I'll have to put something in the help to 
tell users to turn off the appropriate "focus" setting.  Do other WM/DE 
have this option like KDE?  Does Gnome?

Thanks!
Jonathan
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Re: [vox-tech] "bring to front" X-window command

2004-10-02 Thread Bill Kendrick 
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 02:06:24PM -0700, Jonathan Stickel wrote:
> Finally got around to trying this, and it does work directly in "simple" 
> windows managers (tested in openbox).  However, it doesn't quite work in 
> KDE.  Rather than the window coming to the top, the window's entry in 
> the taskbar just flashes at me.

KDE does have an option to 'reduce focus from being lost', e.g. by pop-ups,
so the flashing is probably their way of dealing with it.

Try the above again, with that focus option turned off.

Good luck!

-bill!
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Re: [vox-tech] "bring to front" X-window command

2004-10-02 Thread Jonathan Stickel 
Peter Jay Salzman wrote:

Jon, your xlib calls are:
   XRaiseWindow(Display *display, Window w);
   XLowerWindow(Display *display, Window w);
Finally got around to trying this, and it does work directly in "simple" 
windows managers (tested in openbox).  However, it doesn't quite work in 
KDE.  Rather than the window coming to the top, the window's entry in 
the taskbar just flashes at me.  A little googling tells me something 
about the "override-redirect attribute" and that it might help if it was 
set to true.  I tried this, and now nothing happens with the window at 
all. :(  Here is the relevant code:

  Display *dpy;
  Window win;
...

...
  // set the override-redirect attribute to True
  XSetWindowAttributes set_att;
  set_att.override_redirect = 1;
  XChangeWindowAttributes( dpy, win, CWOverrideRedirect, &set_att);
  XRaiseWindow( dpy, win );
Anyone able to help?
Thanks,
Jonathan
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Re: [vox-tech] Cut and paste

2004-10-02 Thread Bill Kendrick 
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:06:13AM -0700, Ken Herron wrote:
> On top of that, if you're using KDE then you're probably running klipper. 
> Klipper takes over some of the clipboard operation, so depending on how 
> that's configured, things may work differently for you.

Unless you disabled it, like I did. :^)


To remove:
  Right-click the little 'clipboard-and-paper-with-a-'k'-on-it' icon in
  the System Tray in the Kicker panel and select 'Quit.'

  (It'll ask if you want it to start automatically next time you login.)


To add:
  Choose "Klipper" from the "Utilities" submenu of the "K Menu"


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Re: [vox-tech] Cut and paste

2004-10-02 Thread Bill Kendrick 
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 11:14:34AM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote:
> It's like there are 2 clipboards or something.  Can't I do cut and paste 
> without mousing?  The menu->edit->copy doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.

It IS a little bizarre sometimes. :^/

You can add a copy keyboard shortcut to Konsole by going to
Settings->Configure Shortcuts...

There's a "Copy" command in there which, by default, has no keyboard shortcut.


You could also do the slightly-tedious (but understandable since this is
a terminal app):

  [Alt]
  pause...  ("Session" menu at the top will become selected)
  [Right]   (to move to the "Edit" menu)
  [Down](to 'pull down' the "Edit" menu;
 "Copy" is first, so will be selected)
  [Enter]   (to choose "Edit")


Text selection (highlighting) in Konsole and then middle-click pasting
SHOULD work, though.  But it does seem there's a difference between
pasting the highlighted selection and pasting something you've "Edit->Copy"'d


BTW, quick example...  I can set [Alt]+[C] to be 'Copy' in my Konsole.
However, that makes it impossible (or difficult, at best) to send
an "Alt-C" sequence to a program I'm running _in_ the terminal.

Emacs, for example, seems to use Alt-C to capitalize words.
('foo foo foo' becomes 'Foo Foo Foo' if I hit Alt-C three times)

So be sure to pick some key sequence you don't need in the apps you'll be
running.  (Like [Alt]+[Ctrl]+[Shift]+[C] or something wacky :^) )

Good luck!


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Re: [vox-tech] Cut and paste

2004-10-02 Thread Ken Herron 
--On Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:14:34 AM -0500 Jay Strauss 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If I want to cut and paste, I have to go to the menu->edit->copy then I
can paste to FireFox.  It's like there are 2 clipboards or something.
Can't I do cut and paste without mousing?  The menu->edit->copy doesn't
have a keyboard shortcut.
Actually, yes, there are two clipboards. See 
. Many apps will support 
Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V as shortcuts for the menu copy, cut, and paste 
commands. But of course for konsole those keystrokes go to the terminal 
session.

On top of that, if you're using KDE then you're probably running klipper. 
Klipper takes over some of the clipboard operation, so depending on how 
that's configured, things may work differently for you.

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Re: [vox-tech] Cut and paste

2004-10-02 Thread Jay Strauss 
Jay Strauss wrote:
Hi,
I sorta remember a thread like this, but couldn't find it in the 
archives.

When I run konsole, when I highlight some text, I can middle click and 
paste it into another (or same) xterm, but I can't paste it into a GUI 
program like FireFox.

If I want to cut and paste, I have to go to the menu->edit->copy then 
I can paste to FireFox.
It's like there are 2 clipboards or something.  Can't I do cut and 
paste without mousing?  The menu->edit->copy doesn't have a keyboard 
shortcut.

I'd rather just use simple xterm but I don't even have the menu option 
for "copy".

Thanks
Jay
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Please disregard my original post.
I didn't realize I could middle button on GUI apps.
Jay
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[vox-tech] BTW Thanks

2004-10-02 Thread Jay Strauss 
BTW,
Thanks to everyone who helped me get my laptop up and running.  I'm 
wireless, and sound capable now.  I haven't really worked on anything 
else, since I don't really need anything else right now

Jay
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[vox-tech] Cut and paste

2004-10-02 Thread Jay Strauss 
Hi,
I sorta remember a thread like this, but couldn't find it in the archives.
When I run konsole, when I highlight some text, I can middle click and 
paste it into another (or same) xterm, but I can't paste it into a GUI 
program like FireFox.

If I want to cut and paste, I have to go to the menu->edit->copy then I 
can paste to FireFox. 

It's like there are 2 clipboards or something.  Can't I do cut and paste 
without mousing?  The menu->edit->copy doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.

I'd rather just use simple xterm but I don't even have the menu option 
for "copy".

Thanks
Jay
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