Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
Herbert Poetzl wrote:OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [x] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [ ] I did already know about it [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [ ] I will start using BME patches now [x] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [ ] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [ ] I am using it/want to use it [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature [x] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [x] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [x] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel -- raoul bhatia email.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ipax web.http://www.ipax.at - chief technician, support - irc. #ipax (quakenet) ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:15, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > OPINION POLL > > > please check (X) all points which apply ... > (according to your opinion) > > [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency > [x] I did already know about it > > [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches > [x] I will start using BME patches now > [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all > > [ ] I think this SHOULD get into the next > stable Linux-VServer release because ... > > [ ] I am using it/want to use it > [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature > [ ] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts > > [x] I think this should NOT be included into > the next stable release because ... > > [ ] it is not thoroughly tested > [ ] it is not mature enough > [ ] it adds unnecessary code > [x] it should better be fixed in >the mainline Linux Kernel -thomas ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [X] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [ ] I did already know about it [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [X] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [X] I am using it/want to use it [X] It's more a bugfix than a feature [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [ ] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
Herbert Poetzl wrote: OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [X] I did already know about it Just found out the hard way... When doing rm -rf on a directory wher i had /bin, /sbin, /lib and /usr bind mounted ro... or so I did beleve (realy beleved I had umounted them too, but that was all my mistake) [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [ ] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [X] I see the need for it, but not bad enuff to bother, right now (and I did only know about the issue, not the fix). [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [x] I am using it/want to use it [X] It's more a bugfix than a feature [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [x] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel I been exprimenting with a vrescue script that reuses the host environment, but starts in a temporary chroot in the vservers context with the vserver directory mounted as /target and most of the host system bind mounted in the root... To be usefull for user not trusted to do anything on the host it will need ro bind mount and probably allot more. Can post a proof of consept script if anyone is intrested. My own use is just to start rsync, and i pretty much trust rsync So it's not realy a *need* for me right now, but i can see the need :-) /LaH ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [X] I did already know about it [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [ ] I will start using BME patches now [X] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [ ] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [ ] I am using it/want to use it [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature [ ] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [X] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [X] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel TIA, Herbert ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
[...] OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [ ] I did already know about it [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [x] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [x] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [ ] I am using it/want to use it [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature [x] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [ ] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel I trust that it would definitely answer to my question: my host can see the guest mount point but couldn't modify it? Thanks, Joel ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [X] I did already know about it [X] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [ ] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [X] I am using it/want to use it [X] It's more a bugfix than a feature [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [ ] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel Jan -- Jan Rękorajski| ALL SUSPECTS ARE GUILTY. PERIOD! bagginsmimuw.edu.pl | OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE SUSPECTS, WOULD THEY? BOFH, MANIAC | -- TROOPS by Kevin Rubio ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 23:15 +0100, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > OPINION POLL > > > please check (X) all points which apply ... > (according to your opinion) > > [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency > [X] I did already know about it > > [X] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches > [ ] I will start using BME patches now > [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all > > [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next > stable Linux-VServer release because ... > > [ ] I am using it/want to use it > [X] It's more a bugfix than a feature > [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts > > [ ] I think this should NOT be included into > the next stable release because ... > > [ ] it is not thoroughly tested > [ ] it is not mature enough > [ ] it adds unnecessary code > [X] it should better be fixed in >the mainline Linux Kernel -- Tom Laermans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PowerSource ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
> > OPINION POLL > > > please check (X) all points which apply ... > (according to your opinion) > > [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency > [X] I did already know about it > > [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches > [X] I will start using BME patches now > [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all > > [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next > stable Linux-VServer release because ... > > [ ] I am using it/want to use it > [X] It's more a bugfix than a feature > [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts > > [ ] I think this should NOT be included into > the next stable release because ... > > [ ] it is not thoroughly tested > [ ] it is not mature enough > [ ] it adds unnecessary code > [ ] it should better be fixed in >the mainline Linux Kernel > The silent dishonor of the the ro-option is definitly a bug, so the bugfix should go into the kernel mainline anyway. BUT, for Linux-VServer I think this is vital, therefore we should have this asap in the next stable Linux-Vserver release, which will hopefully be before the introduction into the kernel-mainline. The other essential feature in the next stable release should be CoW-link-breaking I think. -- Wilhelm Meier email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release [scanned]
> OPINION POLL > > > please check (X) all points which apply ... > (according to your opinion) > > [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency > [X] I did already know about it > > [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches > [ ] I will start using BME patches now > [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all > > [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next > stable Linux-VServer release because ... > > [X] I am using it/want to use it > [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature > [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts > > [ ] I think this should NOT be included into > the next stable release because ... > > [ ] it is not thoroughly tested > [ ] it is not mature enough > [ ] it adds unnecessary code > [ ] it should better be fixed in >the mainline Linux Kernel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [X] I did already know about it [X] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [ ] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [X] I am using it/want to use it [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [ ] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
Herbert Poetzl wrote: OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [X] I did already know about it [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [X] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [X] I am using it/want to use it [X] It's more a bugfix than a feature [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [X] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel -- Daniel Hokka Zakrisson GPG id: 06723412 pgp06Fc7uy5yi.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
> OPINION POLL > > > please check (X) all points which apply ... > (according to your opinion) > > [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency > [x] I did already know about it > > [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches > [ ] I will start using BME patches now > [x] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all or if i could add an option: [x] I do not need/use this 'feature' right now, but might in the future > [x] I think this SHOULD get into the next > stable Linux-VServer release because ... > > [ ] I am using it/want to use it > [x] It's more a bugfix than a feature > [x] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts > > [x] I think this should NOT be included into > the next stable release because ... > > [ ] it is not thoroughly tested > [ ] it is not mature enough > [ ] it adds unnecessary code > [x] it should better be fixed in >the mainline Linux Kernel signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
> OPINION POLL > > > please check (X) all points which apply ... > (according to your opinion) > > [X ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency > [ ] I did already know about it > > [ X] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches > [ ] I will start using BME patches now > [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all > > [ X] I think this SHOULD get into the next > stable Linux-VServer release because ... > > [ ] I am using it/want to use it > [X ] It's more a bugfix than a feature > [ ] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts > > [ ] I think this should NOT be included into > the next stable release because ... > > [ ] it is not thoroughly tested > [ ] it is not mature enough > [ ] it adds unnecessary code > [ ] it should better be fixed in >the mainline Linux Kernel > > > TIA, > Herbert > > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver -- John Francis Lee 1/9-10 Thanon Trairat Muang Chiang Rai 57000 Thailand ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
Hi there, on Friday, January 6, 2006 at 23:15 there was posted: HP> OPINION POLL HP> HP> please check (X) all points which apply ... HP> (according to your opinion) HP> [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency HP> [X] I did already know about it HP> [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches HP> [ ] I will start using BME patches now HP> [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all HP> [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next HP> stable Linux-VServer release because ... HP> [X] I am using it/want to use it HP> [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature HP> [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts HP> [ ] I think this should NOT be included into HP> the next stable release because ... HP> HP> [ ] it is not thoroughly tested HP> [ ] it is not mature enough HP> [ ] it adds unnecessary code HP> [X] it should better be fixed in HP>the mainline Linux Kernel Identified as: I'd like to use this, it should be fixed in mailine Kernel, but it would be more than nice if VServer pre-fixes this, as with VServer it becomes more an issue than with mainline. -- regards, Guenther Fuchs ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
On Friday 06 January 2006 23:15, HP wrote: OPINION POLL > please check (X) all points which apply ... > (according to your opinion) > [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [X] I did already know about it [X] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [ ] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [X] I am using it/want to use it [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [ ] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel As I said earlier, IMO it's a must feature (at least for me) for the next stable release. But I really tend to agree with Eyck, it should really get fixed/pushed to mainline ... > TIA, > Herbert Christian -- Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Linux Developer - vserver pgpgDU41lDRhl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [X] I did already know about it [X] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [ ] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [X] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [X] I am using it/want to use it [X] It's more a bugfix than a feature [X] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [X] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel -- Key fingerprint = 40D0 9FFB 9939 7320 8294 05E0 BCC7 02C4 75CC 50D9 Total Existance Failure ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] [OPoll] BME inclusion into next stable release
Hi Folks! The new year isn't very old yet, and already there are questions over questions regarding the future direction linux-vserver will take ... anyway, interesting times and so I once again try to get your opinion on a specific patch, the so called Bind Mount Extensions (short BME) (the hasty reader can skip to OPINION POLL) what is it? === simple, the Linux kernel supports a few 'magic' tricks in the vfs (virtual filesystem) layer, which can be used to 'create' different views of the underlying filesystems ... those are better known as --bind and --rbind mounts, but also --move mounts belong to this category. what can I do with it? == they basically allow you to 'copy' or 'move' the 'view' of an entire directory to a different point in the vfs hierarchy, let's take an example here: mount --bind /var/tmp /tmp the result is that both /tmp and /var/tmp point to the same directory (/var/tmp) in the filesystem, even if they originally (e.g. var) are on different filesystems why would I need BME? = well, unfortunately the kernel design is flawed, or better incomplete, in that way, that it does not honor certain mount attributes, like read only or noatime, more than that, it silently ignores them ... mount --bind -o ro /tmp /mnt/ touch /mnt/foo OPINION POLL please check (X) all points which apply ... (according to your opinion) [ ] I had no idea about this issue/deficiency [ ] I did already know about it [ ] I'm already using BME (or similar) patches [ ] I will start using BME patches now [ ] I do not need/use this 'feature' at all [ ] I think this SHOULD get into the next stable Linux-VServer release because ... [ ] I am using it/want to use it [ ] It's more a bugfix than a feature [ ] I like the idea of ro --bind mounts [ ] I think this should NOT be included into the next stable release because ... [ ] it is not thoroughly tested [ ] it is not mature enough [ ] it adds unnecessary code [ ] it should better be fixed in the mainline Linux Kernel TIA, Herbert ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
