Re: Adieu

[Dark1]

I also thought having people pay a fee to provide a solution may be a problem.  
An alternative way of doing this would be to allow people reply to topics in 
order to provide solutions but not create new topics.  I don't think this would 
work in practice though because it would probably take too much technical work 
to setup and then further work to moderate, given that some people would be 
posting their own questions in other peoples' topics.

Considering Ronni has been a financial member all this time I don't think 
anyone should have a problem with being financial to post solutions as I'm sure 
no-one would refute that she answers far more questions than she asks.  It's 
also good to see people saying they are happy to stay on and it's going to be 
inevitable that the lists loses some people.  Perhaps price negotiate for 
people who who may be struggling to afford the fee could occur off list but 
also in conjunction with an assessment of how valuable those members may be to 
the list.

Regards
Ruben

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm not sure that the attitude expressed by Peter and Eugene is one of 
> expecting others to subsidise their Mac support.  I think there is a valid 
> expression here that many long time members of the list (myself included), 
> who over the journey have offered more replies/answers than questions, will 
> now no longer be able to contribute unless they become a financial member.  
> Paying a fee to request support is one thing, paying a fee to offer a 
> solution is quite another.
> 
> The committee's decision is based on the need to "give value to those who pay 
> the WAMUG subscription", which I guess is fair enough.  The risk you run here 
> is that you will actually devalue the membership through the potential loss 
> of your knowledge base that contributes to the list.  You also run the risk 
> of "making a rod for your own back" in that the success of the list becomes 
> ever more reliant on a smaller cohort of good folk to answer all queries.  
> What happens when those people move on, or contribute less due to other 
> commitments?  An open list encourages perpetuity.
> 
> Anyway, theses points have probably all been raised by the committee and the 
> decision has been reached.  I do wish the WAMUG list well, I hope it 
> continues to serve as an effective User Group.
> 
> Regards, Matt
> 
> 
> Matt Huitson
> IT Manager
> School of Psychology
> IT Manager
> Faculty of Life and Physical Sciences
> University of Western Australia
> 35 Stirling Highway
> Crawley, WA 6009
> Australia
> Work +61 8 6488 2507
> matt.huit...@uwa.edu.au
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
> I agree Tim.
> 
> I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial 
> member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it 
> possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
> Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!
> 
> I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
> difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use 
> the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that 
> is their choice to make.
> 
> The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an 
> annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for 
> one email support issue.
> 
> I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but 
> expect others to pay to keep that support possible.
> 
> The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud 
> their decision.
> 
> Regards,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law 
> mailto:t...@peoplehelp.com.au>> wrote:
> 
> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
> 
> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a 
> question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
> 
> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums 
> that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions 
> are only as accurate as their experiences.
> 
> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from 
> members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, 
> then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get 
> bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other 
> messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
> 
> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
> decision.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm mailto:cm200...@gmail.com>

Re: civilization 5

[Chris Griffiths]

Reload from original DVD and it should work. I think you need Steam as well.

Which reminds me, has anyone played the new Gods and Kings add on?

Chris Griffiths
Mac lover



On 28/06/2012, at 2:31 PM, tom samson wrote:

> I have Civ 5 that I have enjoyed for years. I reloaded it on new iMac and I 
> get error something about winehq/ How do I get over around under this?
> tom samson
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[tom samson]

I have Civ 5 that I have enjoyed for years. I reloaded it on new iMac and I get 
error something about winehq/ How do I get over around under this?
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Re: It's Hello not Adieu from Me

[cm]

Welcome to our group Yvonne and thank you for your kind sentiments. Going 
forward we plan to make membership even more valuable that it is now, so please 
stay tuned. :-)

Regards,
Carlo

On 28/06/2012, at 13:38 , wyv...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> 
> I've had help from the list in the past and thinking I might need more in the 
> future I had been thinking for a while that I should join up and do my bit to 
> help cover the costs. So, yes, as of yesterday I am a newly paid up member 
> even though I doubt I shall ever get to a meeting.
> 
> I've read the comments for and against and appreciate that money is tight but 
> although I have no knowledge of whether it will or will not happen a thought 
> just struck me. The more paid up members covering the costs perhaps the lower 
> the fees in the future or...going forward [as seems to be the 'in' phrase of 
> politicians these days] it'll be a while before fees need to increase.
> 
> I've added next year's fees into the family budget. 
> 
> Yvonne
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Re: Adieu

[Kevin Lock]

After being a 'lister' for some years, I decided to pay up a few weeks 
ago.  Over the years I have received help in many forms and have been 
most grateful. Just this week Ronni solved a problem with burning a 
DVD of an EyeTV recording...that in itself was worth my subs.

Kev
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It's Hello not Adieu from Me

[wyvern]

Hi Guys,

I've had help from the list in the past and thinking I might need more in the 
future I had been thinking for a while that I should join up and do my bit to 
help cover the costs. So, yes, as of yesterday I am a newly paid up member even 
though I doubt I shall ever get to a meeting.

I've read the comments for and against and appreciate that money is tight but 
although I have no knowledge of whether it will or will not happen a thought 
just struck me. The more paid up members covering the costs perhaps the lower 
the fees in the future or...going forward [as seems to be the 'in' phrase of 
politicians these days] it'll be a while before fees need to increase.

I've added next year's fees into the family budget. 

Yvonne
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Re: Time Machine/Time Capsule problem

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Rosemary,

>>>  "An unexpected error occurred
>>> error code -6584", when I tied a Backup Now which just seems to mean
>>> there's no connection..


(error code -6584) unfortunately won't tell you much that you do not already 
knowthe connection attempt failed. 
That was the "unexpected error".
 
You may have already done this...but your post did not indicate whether you had.
So first thing to do (if you have not) is:

A) Complete power cycle of the entire network
 
1. Power everything down in any order you want
2. Wait a minute
3. Start the modem first, and let it run a minute or two
4. Router (Time Capsule) next the same way
5. Continue starting devices one at a time about a minute apart
 
Did you completely reset the connection path in Time Machine Preferences to 
"point" your Mac at the Time Capsule disk?
 If not:
1. Click the Time Machine "clock" icon at the top of the Mac's screen
2. Click Open Time Machine Preferences
3. Click Select Disk
4. Click your Time Capsule to highlight it
5. Click Use Backup Disk
-
> Disk not configured

Is that the complete message or is it:
 Red "i" message: "Time Machine could not be configured. The built-in network 
interface could not be found"?

1. From the Finder's Go menu go to this location: 
 /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/
 
2. Copy the file "NetworkInterfaces.plist" to the desktop (to make a 
precautionary backup).

3. Delete the file "NetworkInterfaces.plist".  Enter administrator name and 
password if prompted.

4. Restart your Mac.  

5. Once restarted, reconfigure your Network and Time Machine preference panes 
in System Preferences.

6. Check that your Network is working ok and you are online.

7. See if you can select your TM backup disk and do a backup.


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.4 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)



On 28/06/2012, at 12:28 PM, Rosemary Spark wrote:

> Ronda,
> I couldn't follow the instructions on the previous emails because the
> situation is very different.
> Now in the top bar, it says
> Disk not configured
> Then in the  select disk , the time machine appears "Data on mynameforTC"
> When I select the item use back disk, it asks for password, and then just
> hangs on connecting. the password is correct, in Keychain. Finally just
> comes back to the password box.
> At the same time the item for the TC in Finder, just has connecting, then
> connection failed.
> If I try connection in Finder
> I get
> Message
> Check the server name or IP address, and try again.
> I tried using Airport 6.1
> It sees the Time Machine/Time Capsule, asks for a password and just sits
> there with a red 1 alongside, getting configuration forever. It's not
> the password, because when I put in an incorrect one on purpose, it sits
> there,
> when I put in the correct one it disappears and keeps getting
> configuration.
> I downloaded the earlier version of the software, 5.6 but  it says it's
> looking for firmware, accepts the password, but keeps searching for latest
> firmware 7.6.1 which it also can't find.
> If I miss that step, it also gets stuck at getting configuration
> forever whether
> I use manual or next
> No sign of it in Disk Utilty.
> 
> Rosemary.
> 
> Macbook Pro 13-inch, Mid 2009 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo , Mac OSX 10.7.4
> On Wednesday, 27 June 2012, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rosemary,
>> 
>> You had a problem with Time Machine that I sorted for you back in Nov 2011
>> Read through all the emails at the link below.
>> I have to go to a client now for a couple of hours, but should be able to
>> assist if required later this morning.
>> 
>> time capsule problem can't backup
>> Rosemary Spark
>> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:56:16 -0800
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 26/06/2012, at 11:37 PM, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
>> 
>>> We have a Time Capsule for our Time Machine backups.
>>> When my husband went to his computer a few days ago there was a message
>>> that the time machine couldn't find the disk. This happened all of a
>> sudden
>>> when it's been backing up fine for years.
>>> When I try to connect and say Use Backup Disc, it takes forever, and then
>>> says Connecting ...and doesn't.
>>> says there's an error with IP address or server.
>>> I tried using Airport Utility but the new one won't even let you see a
>>> menu,
>>> It sees the Time Machine/Time Capsule, asks for a password and just sits
>>> there with a red 1 alongside, getting configuration forever. It's not the
>>> password, because when I put in an incorrect one on purpose, it sits
>> there,
>>> when I put in the correct one it disappears and keeps getting
>> configuration.
>>> I downloaded the earlier version of the software, 5.6 but  it says it's
>>> looking for firmware, which it also can't find. If I miss that step, it
>>> also gets stuck at getting configuration f

Re: Fonts in Font Book

[Chris Griffiths]

Have you considered a font manager such as Suitcase. I run this manager 
(Suitcase 4) and it works flawlessly. I think it's only $130 or something like 
that.

I tested running Helv Neue Light overriding the system font and it works fine. 
I don't think it can be done with font book.

Otherwise, I have heard that you can write a script to deactivate the system 
font but I don't know how to do this. …Others might!

Chris Griffiths
Mac lover



On 28/06/2012, at 12:26 PM, Rick Armstrong wrote:

> Hi,
> I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing 
> Helvetica Neue Font (True Type)
> My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
> Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
> OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
> This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but it 
> conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
> Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
> Thanks, Rick
> 
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[Rosemary Spark]

Ronda,
I couldn't follow the instructions on the previous emails because the
situation is very different.
Now in the top bar, it says
Disk not configured
Then in the  select disk , the time machine appears "Data on mynameforTC"
When I select the item use back disk, it asks for password, and then just
hangs on connecting. the password is correct, in Keychain. Finally just
comes back to the password box.
At the same time the item for the TC in Finder, just has connecting, then
connection failed.
If I try connection in Finder
I get
Message
Check the server name or IP address, and try again.
I tried using Airport 6.1
It sees the Time Machine/Time Capsule, asks for a password and just sits
 there with a red 1 alongside, getting configuration forever. It's not
the password, because when I put in an incorrect one on purpose, it sits
there,
 when I put in the correct one it disappears and keeps getting
configuration.
I downloaded the earlier version of the software, 5.6 but  it says it's
 looking for firmware, accepts the password, but keeps searching for latest
firmware 7.6.1 which it also can't find.
If I miss that step, it also gets stuck at getting configuration
forever whether
I use manual or next
No sign of it in Disk Utilty.

Rosemary.

Macbook Pro 13-inch, Mid 2009 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo , Mac OSX 10.7.4
On Wednesday, 27 June 2012, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Rosemary,
>
> You had a problem with Time Machine that I sorted for you back in Nov 2011
> Read through all the emails at the link below.
> I have to go to a client now for a couple of hours, but should be able to
> assist if required later this morning.
>
> time capsule problem can't backup
> Rosemary Spark
> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:56:16 -0800
>
> 
>
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>
> On 26/06/2012, at 11:37 PM, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
>
> > We have a Time Capsule for our Time Machine backups.
> > When my husband went to his computer a few days ago there was a message
> > that the time machine couldn't find the disk. This happened all of a
> sudden
> > when it's been backing up fine for years.
> > When I try to connect and say Use Backup Disc, it takes forever, and then
> > says Connecting ...and doesn't.
> > says there's an error with IP address or server.
> > I tried using Airport Utility but the new one won't even let you see a
> > menu,
> > It sees the Time Machine/Time Capsule, asks for a password and just sits
> > there with a red 1 alongside, getting configuration forever. It's not the
> > password, because when I put in an incorrect one on purpose, it sits
> there,
> > when I put in the correct one it disappears and keeps getting
> configuration.
> > I downloaded the earlier version of the software, 5.6 but  it says it's
> > looking for firmware, which it also can't find. If I miss that step, it
> > also gets stuck at getting configuration forever.
> >
> > I went to look at my computer and found it hasn't backed up for months!
> My
> > computer can't even see the base station in Airport Utility.
> >
> > I can enter the Time Capsule files, and it does appear in Shared in
> Finder.
> >
> > I've now tried on mine It has an additional "An unexpected error occurred
> > error code -6584", when I tied a Backup Now which just seems to mean
> > there's no connection..
> > I've tried looking for solutions on discussions etc but there are lots of
> > questions, but not many answers.
> >
> > We both have a Macbook Pro 13-inch, Mid 2009 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo.
> >
> >
> > Rosemary Spark
> > PO Box 781
> > South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
> > Phone: + 61 8 94336609
> > Mobile: 0414268043
> > arkaysp...@gmail.com
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Fonts in Font Book

[Rick Armstrong]

Hi,
I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing Helvetica 
Neue Font (True Type)
My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but it 
conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
Thanks, Rick

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Re: Adieu

[Matt Huitson]

Hi all,

I'm not sure that the attitude expressed by Peter and Eugene is one of 
expecting others to subsidise their Mac support.  I think there is a valid 
expression here that many long time members of the list (myself included), who 
over the journey have offered more replies/answers than questions, will now no 
longer be able to contribute unless they become a financial member.  Paying a 
fee to request support is one thing, paying a fee to offer a solution is quite 
another.

The committee's decision is based on the need to "give value to those who pay 
the WAMUG subscription", which I guess is fair enough.  The risk you run here 
is that you will actually devalue the membership through the potential loss of 
your knowledge base that contributes to the list.  You also run the risk of 
"making a rod for your own back" in that the success of the list becomes ever 
more reliant on a smaller cohort of good folk to answer all queries.  What 
happens when those people move on, or contribute less due to other commitments? 
 An open list encourages perpetuity.

Anyway, theses points have probably all been raised by the committee and the 
decision has been reached.  I do wish the WAMUG list well, I hope it continues 
to serve as an effective User Group.

Regards, Matt


Matt Huitson
IT Manager
School of Psychology
IT Manager
Faculty of Life and Physical Sciences
University of Western Australia
35 Stirling Highway
Crawley, WA 6009
Australia
Work +61 8 6488 2507
matt.huit...@uwa.edu.au

On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

I agree Tim.

I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member 
of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for 
WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!

I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use 
the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that 
is their choice to make.

The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an 
annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for 
one email support issue.

I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but 
expect others to pay to keep that support possible.

The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud 
their decision.

Regards,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law 
mailto:t...@peoplehelp.com.au>> wrote:

Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.

But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a 
question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.

I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums 
that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are 
only as accurate as their experiences.

I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from 
members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, 
then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get 
bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy 
things, all for such a small amount of money.

I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit 
the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision.

Tim



Sent from my iPad

On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm mailto:cm200...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,

We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and 
we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to 
the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox 
unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through 
Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.

The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the 
list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, 
fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the 
service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale 
a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and 
Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to 
suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a 
reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future tim

Re: Adieu

[Daniel Kerr]

Without adding to the fuel on the flamewar fire,...

But yes, if people don't want to become a financial member, there is nothing 
stopping them from reading the list still and deciding if/when they require 
help, they can then sign up.

There is a lot of cost involved in running the list, hosting, and other costs. 
Let alone the time and resources that the Committee put in behind the scenes. 
(of which they receive no monetary reward, it's all their time and resources 
put in for free). There is no "real" advertising on this list. (Have you been 
to some of the other lists that have advertising everywhere?).

Plus you only have to look around at other support costs.
Apple charge $99 per incident outside of Applecare warranty. (or the free 90 
day phone support).
Go to a Genius bar? You'd probably spend $30 on petrol/travelling costs/your 
time/parking costs! lol
Other places charge $20-$75 for phone/email support. (myself included I have a 
fee for email support/consulting. As does Ronni for her offlist support). Which 
is fair enough if places want to charge. As someone else said it's a user-paid 
world we live in today. Lawyers, Accountants etc all charge. People have to 
make a living.
So compared to the single support cost, this yearly membership is well worth it.

And lastly, from the survey that was done, most people were happy to pay a fee 
and comments were that the list should/could be paid. That was a survey 
completed by the members, and the committee spent a long period of time 
discussing it. (let alone getting it all place).

I could go on, but I think they are the main points I wanted to make.
Again, I'm not trying to add to it, I'm just adding a few of my own views,

Enjoy! :o)

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 28/06/2012, at 8:12 AM, hugh griffiths wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's 
> suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) 
> and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large 
> group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there 
> and a warrantied paid service technician.
> Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past.
> Hugh
> 
>> Subject: Re: Adieu
>> From: cm200...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800
>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>> 
>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
>> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
>> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
>> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
>> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
>> 
>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
>> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>> be entirely confidential between the pros
 p
> ec
>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>> 
>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Eugene
>>> 
>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
>>> so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>> 
>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
>>> this to continue.
>>> 
>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reg Whitely

Re: Adieu

[Michael Bramwell]

Ahh bad link sorry.

http://apple.stackexchange.com/ 

On 28/06/2012, at 10:28 AM, Michael Bramwell wrote:

> To paraphrase from the site its a community driven Q&A site for users of 
> Apple hardware and software.
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 9:52 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>>> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .
>> 
>> What has that site got to do with Apple or support?
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied 
>>> to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is 
>>> something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My 
>>> initial thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active 
>>> community that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought 
>>> was put in to the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk.
>>> 
>>> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .
>>> 
>>> Mike.
>>> 
>>> On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 I agree Tim.
 
 I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial 
 member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it 
 possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
 Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!
 
 I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
 difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't 
 use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the 
 $30, that is their choice to make.
 
 The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for 
 an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge 
 that for one email support issue.
 
 I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, 
 but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. 
 
 The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I 
 applaud their decision.
 
 Regards,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law  wrote:
 
> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
> 
> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to 
> ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
> 
> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to 
> receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non 
> computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and 
> their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences.
> 
> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests 
> from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to 
> the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is 
> likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between 
> applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
> 
> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
> decision.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>> 
>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the 
>> years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out 
>> on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need 
>> at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read 
>> any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive 
>> WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you 
>> ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we 
>> would love to see you there.
>> 
>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. 
>> Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee 
>> are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a 
>> random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then 
>> disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to 
>> this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly 
>> remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable 
>> call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you 
>> need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all 
>> pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come

Re: Adieu

[Michael Bramwell]

To paraphrase from the site its a community driven Q&A site for users of Apple 
hardware and software.

On 28/06/2012, at 9:52 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

>> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .
> 
> What has that site got to do with Apple or support?
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell  wrote:
> 
>> I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied 
>> to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is 
>> something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial 
>> thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community 
>> that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to 
>> the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk.
>> 
>> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .
>> 
>> Mike.
>> 
>> On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree Tim.
>>> 
>>> I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial 
>>> member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it 
>>> possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
>>> Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!
>>> 
>>> I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
>>> difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't 
>>> use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the 
>>> $30, that is their choice to make.
>>> 
>>> The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for 
>>> an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that 
>>> for one email support issue.
>>> 
>>> I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, 
>>> but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. 
>>> 
>>> The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I 
>>> applaud their decision.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
 Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
 
 But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to 
 ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
 
 I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to 
 receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non 
 computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and 
 their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences.
 
 I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests 
 from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the 
 list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely 
 to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and 
 other messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
 
 I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
 exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
 decision.
 
 Tim
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
 
> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
> 
> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the 
> years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out 
> on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need 
> at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read 
> any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive 
> WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you 
> ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we 
> would love to see you there.
> 
> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. 
> Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. 
> Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this 
> category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember 
> that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge 
> for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a 
> consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, 
> fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second 
> solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we 
> will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay 
> the membership fe

Re: Adieu

[Ronda Brown]

> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .

What has that site got to do with Apple or support?

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell  wrote:

> I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied 
> to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is 
> something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial 
> thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community 
> that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to 
> the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk.
> 
> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .
> 
> Mike.
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> I agree Tim.
>> 
>> I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial 
>> member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it 
>> possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
>> Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!
>> 
>> I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
>> difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't 
>> use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, 
>> that is their choice to make.
>> 
>> The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for 
>> an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that 
>> for one email support issue.
>> 
>> I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, 
>> but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. 
>> 
>> The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud 
>> their decision.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>>> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
>>> 
>>> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask 
>>> a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
>>> 
>>> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to 
>>> receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non 
>>> computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and 
>>> their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences.
>>> 
>>> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests 
>>> from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the 
>>> list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely 
>>> to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and 
>>> other messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
>>> 
>>> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
>>> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
>>> decision.
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
 
 We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the 
 years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out 
 on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at 
 all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any 
 and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG 
 emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever 
 happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would 
 love to see you there.
 
 The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. 
 Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
 contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
 entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
 question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. 
 Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category 
 of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the 
 WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most 
 Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
 joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
 you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
 offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
 for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
 be entirely confidential between the pr
 o
> s
>> p
>>> ec
 tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a 
 mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and 
 our website will be update

Re: Adieu

[Warren Iannello]

Perhaps a scaled or at least student, pensioner discount...low income fee could 
apply etc...organisational could be higher and sole trader for business 
etc.lower ...just a thought.Warren
Warren Iannello

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On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell wrote:

> I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied 
> to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is 
> something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial 
> thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community 
> that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to 
> the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk.
> 
> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .
> 
> Mike.
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> I agree Tim.
>> 
>> I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial 
>> member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it 
>> possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
>> Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!
>> 
>> I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
>> difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't 
>> use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, 
>> that is their choice to make.
>> 
>> The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for 
>> an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that 
>> for one email support issue.
>> 
>> I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, 
>> but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. 
>> 
>> The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud 
>> their decision.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>>> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
>>> 
>>> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask 
>>> a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
>>> 
>>> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to 
>>> receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non 
>>> computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and 
>>> their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences.
>>> 
>>> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests 
>>> from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the 
>>> list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely 
>>> to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and 
>>> other messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
>>> 
>>> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
>>> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
>>> decision.
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
 
 We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the 
 years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out 
 on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at 
 all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any 
 and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG 
 emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever 
 happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would 
 love to see you there.
 
 The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. 
 Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
 contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
 entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
 question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. 
 Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category 
 of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the 
 WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most 
 Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>

Re: Adieu

[Michael Bramwell]

I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied to 
an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is something I 
have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial thoughts were 
that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community that is here. 
Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to the decision so 
all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk.

For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .

Mike.

On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> I agree Tim.
> 
> I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial 
> member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it 
> possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
> Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!
> 
> I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
> difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use 
> the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that 
> is their choice to make.
> 
> The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an 
> annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for 
> one email support issue.
> 
> I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but 
> expect others to pay to keep that support possible. 
> 
> The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud 
> their decision.
> 
> Regards,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
>> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
>> 
>> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask 
>> a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
>> 
>> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
>> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer 
>> forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their 
>> contributions are only as accurate as their experiences.
>> 
>> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests 
>> from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the 
>> list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to 
>> get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and 
>> other messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
>> 
>> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
>> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
>> decision.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>>> 
>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to 
>>> end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all 
>>> posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to 
>>> your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be 
>>> passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see 
>>> you there.
>>> 
>>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of 
>>> user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>>> be entirely confidential between the pro
 s
> p
>> ec
>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>>> 
>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>>> 
 Dear Eugene
 
 I have never met you but you have helped

Re: Writing to PDF

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 27/06/2012, at 12:56 PM, cm wrote:

> Hi David,
> 
> In a pinch you could use the signature tool for freehand sketching but it 
> would be incredibly cumbersome. The signature tool is designed to add a 
> previously recorded line drawing (signature or otherwise) to a PDF. You 
> record the line drawing by writing on a sheet of paper and photographing the 
> writing using your iSight camera.  Here is a youtube video that does an 
> excellent job of explaining the Preview signature tool (with thanks to Reg 
> Whitely who first published the link):
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMlUcXfa8jg
> 
> A freehand sketch tool on the other hand allows one to annotate a PDF using a 
> mouse or digitizing tablet. You can actually draw cursive lines on the PDF in 
> the colour and width of your choosing and save the annotation with the PDF 
> for others to read. You could use this feature to sign a PDF if you choose 
> but you could also do other things like write mathematical formulae or just 
> scribble. :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 12:41 , David Noel wrote:
> 
>> -- Hi Carlo, how does the signature capture mechanism work? Could you
>> do a sketch and pretend it's a signature to add it to a PDF?
>> 
>> david
>> 
> 

Just be aware that the signature feature is only available in the Lion version 
of Preview. It is not present in previous versions.

I endorse Severin's recommendation of PDFPen, which among many other things 
lets you actually replace existing text in an PDF document. You might also 
consider looking at PDF Nomad which, like PDFPen, lets you add form elements to 
an existing PDF. The total purchase price of all of the available options is 
greatly less than Adobe Acrobat.
  

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Adieu

[Ronda Brown]

I agree Tim.

I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member 
of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for 
WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!

I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use 
the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that 
is their choice to make.

The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an 
annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for 
one email support issue.

I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but 
expect others to pay to keep that support possible. 

The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud 
their decision.

Regards,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law  wrote:

> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
> 
> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a 
> question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
> 
> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums 
> that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions 
> are only as accurate as their experiences.
> 
> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from 
> members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, 
> then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get 
> bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other 
> messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
> 
> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
> decision.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>> 
>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
>> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
>> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
>> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
>> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
>> 
>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
>> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>> be entirely confidential between the pros
 p
> ec
>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>> 
>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Eugene
>>> 
>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
>>> so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>> 
>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
>>> this to continue.
>>> 
>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reg Whitely
>>> 
>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>>> 
 Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
 last time I am able to write to the list.
 
 I have been associated with WAMUG virt

Re: Adieu

[Curtis Peter]

I fully support the Committee in their work and decisions!
Regards
Peter
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[hugh griffiths]

I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's 
suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) and 
if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large group of 
expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there and a 
warrantied paid service technician.
Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past.
Hugh

> Subject: Re: Adieu
> From: cm200...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800
> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
> 
> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
> 
> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you 
> will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is 
> that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members 
> who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely 
> confidential between the prosp
 ec
>  tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
> website will be updated to reflect this.
> 
> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
> 
> All the best,
> Carlo
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
> > Dear Eugene
> > 
> > I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
> > so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
> > 
> > As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
> > from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
> > this to continue.
> > 
> > Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
> > 
> > Reg
> > 
> > 
> > Reg Whitely
> > 
> > Home: 08 9921 7272
> > Mob: 04 8899 7313
> > Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
> > 
> >> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
> >> last time I am able to write to the list.
> >> 
> >> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
> >> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
> >> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at 
> >> these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing 
> >> list I was able to maintain contact.
> >> 
> >> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving 
> >> and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response 
> >> from others when I encountered problems myself.
> >> 
> >> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the 
> >> friendly dialogue.
> >> 
> >> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Eugene
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> >>> 
> >>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the 
> >>> time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered 
> >>> someone else has answered the question, most often of course the 
> >>> indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put 
> >>> in by many others to contribute to the group.   
> >>> 
> >>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself 
> >>> as a minnow in the Mac geekdom.
> >>> 
> >>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social 
> >>> organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount 
> >>> to you still working, I need to be careful.
> >>> 
> >>> I am the List Admin and Moderator o

Re: Adieu

[John Hatch]

Hi,
I ve been at times a financial member of the group and during those times 
attended meetings, enjoyed the company and experience of other members. Paying 
a "due" for this I agree was and is fair and equitable. This list has IMHO has 
developed from those early days and maybe now has become a mixed role between 
an user group and a club newsletter. I belong to several other "usergroups" 
unrelated to Macs for which I get advice, help and opinions free of charge. If 
this is now no longer a user group forum but in fact a newsletter for finacial 
members then I would probably not join. A question I have is if I now have to 
pay for this advice or privelege what are my rights and your liabilities.
 regards

john

Sent from my iPad

On 28/06/2012, at 7:26 AM, Roger Kortas  wrote:

> Hi Tim
> 
> You can't really make a judgement on if the fee is small or not, it might be 
> small for you but for others it may not be!  
> 
> I haven't decided if to join or not as of yet as I also have other needs for 
> what money I have and it has to be balanced out.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law wrote:
> 
>> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
>> 
>> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask 
>> a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
>> 
>> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
>> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer 
>> forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their 
>> contributions are only as accurate as their experiences.
>> 
>> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests 
>> from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the 
>> list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to 
>> get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and 
>> other messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
>> 
>> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
>> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
>> decision.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>>> 
>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to 
>>> end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all 
>>> posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to 
>>> your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be 
>>> passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see 
>>> you there.
>>> 
>>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of 
>>> user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>>> be entirely confidential between the pro
 s
> p
>> ec
>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>>> 
>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>>> 
 Dear Eugene
 
 I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
 so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
 
 As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
 from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
 this to continue.
 
 Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
 
 Reg
 
 
 Reg Whitely
 
 Home: 08 9921 7272
 Mob: 04 8899 7313
 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
 
 
 
 On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene

Re: Adieu

[Roger Kortas]

Hi Tim

You can't really make a judgement on if the fee is small or not, it might be 
small for you but for others it may not be!  

I haven't decided if to join or not as of yet as I also have other needs for 
what money I have and it has to be balanced out.

Regards

Roger


On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law wrote:

> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
> 
> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a 
> question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
> 
> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums 
> that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions 
> are only as accurate as their experiences.
> 
> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from 
> members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, 
> then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get 
> bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other 
> messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
> 
> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
> decision.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>> 
>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
>> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
>> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
>> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
>> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
>> 
>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
>> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>> be entirely confidential between the pros
 p
> ec
>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>> 
>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Eugene
>>> 
>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
>>> so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>> 
>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
>>> this to continue.
>>> 
>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reg Whitely
>>> 
>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>>> 
 Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
 last time I am able to write to the list.
 
 I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
 meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
 commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at 
 these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing 
 list I was able to maintain contact.
 
 From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving 
 and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response 
 from others when I encountered problems myself.
 
 I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the 
 friendly dialogue.
 
 I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
 
   

Re: Adieu

[Tim Law]

Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.

But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a 
question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.

I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums 
that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are 
only as accurate as their experiences.

I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from 
members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, 
then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get 
bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy 
things, all for such a small amount of money.

I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit 
the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision.

Tim



Sent from my iPad

On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:

> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
> 
> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
> 
> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you 
> will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is 
> that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members 
> who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely 
> confidential between the prosp
 ec
> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
> website will be updated to reflect this.
> 
> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
> 
> All the best,
> Carlo
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
>> Dear Eugene
>> 
>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
>> so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>> 
>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from 
>> you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to 
>> continue.
>> 
>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>> 
>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
>>> last time I am able to write to the list.
>>> 
>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
>>> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
>>> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these 
>>> meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I 
>>> was able to maintain contact.
>>> 
>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and 
>>> at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from 
>>> others when I encountered problems myself.
>>> 
>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
>>> dialogue.
>>> 
>>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
>>> 
>>>Regards,
>>>Eugene
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
>>> 
 I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
 
 I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the 
 time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered 
 someone else has answered the question, most often of course the 
 indefatigable and amazing 

Re: Adieu

[Peter Meyer]

It does sound like the shutters are going up. That's a pity. But as a 'lurker' 
of some 12 years or so I too should say farewell while the opportunity is still 
there. 
In particular, 'farewell' to people who, like Eugene have lived on the fringe 
of the WAMUG pool but contribute knowledgeably if infrequently.
One of the virtues of this group in the past has been its diversity…
Anyway - good luck! And thanks…

peter meyer




On 27/06/2012, at 10:17 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

> I'm afraid I'll need to exit also, as a remote member with no way of 
> participating in any of the other WAMUG niceties, but happy to join the the 
> ACT email list Peter. I couldn't see any obvious instructions at its website 
> though. What do I do ?
> 
> Cheers, Steven
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 9:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> 
>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
>> 
>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
>> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
>> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
>> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
>> contribute to the group.   
>> 
>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as 
>> a minnow in the Mac geekdom.
>> 
>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
>> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
>> working, I need to be careful.
>> 
>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
>> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
>> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
>> many years but now live in Albury.
>> 
>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
>> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
>> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your 
>> electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List 
>> is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly 
>> Newsletter (for financial members).
>> 
>> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
>> 
>> Peter Sealy
>> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
> 
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Re: Adieu

[cm]

Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,

We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and 
we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to 
the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox 
unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through 
Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.

The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the 
list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, 
fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the 
service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale 
a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and 
Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to 
suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a 
reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time 
you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all 
pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second 
solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will 
discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the 
membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the prospec
 tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website 
will be updated to reflect this.

So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.

All the best,
Carlo

On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:

> Dear Eugene
> 
> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so 
> many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
> 
> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from 
> you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to 
> continue.
> 
> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
> 
> Reg
> 
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
> 
>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
>> last time I am able to write to the list.
>> 
>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
>> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
>> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these 
>> meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I 
>> was able to maintain contact.
>> 
>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and 
>> at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from 
>> others when I encountered problems myself.
>> 
>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
>> dialogue.
>> 
>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eugene
>> 
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
>> 
>>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
>>> 
>>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the 
>>> time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered 
>>> someone else has answered the question, most often of course the 
>>> indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in 
>>> by many others to contribute to the group.   
>>> 
>>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as 
>>> a minnow in the Mac geekdom.
>>> 
>>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
>>> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
>>> working, I need to be careful.
>>> 
>>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
>>> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
>>> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
>>> many years but now live in Albury.
>>> 
>>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
>>> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
>>> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your 
>>> electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List 
>>> is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly 
>>> Newsletter (for financial members).
>>> 
>>> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for

Re: Adieu

[Steven Knowles]

I'm afraid I'll need to exit also, as a remote member with no way of 
participating in any of the other WAMUG niceties, but happy to join the the ACT 
email list Peter. I couldn't see any obvious instructions at its website 
though. What do I do ?

Cheers, Steven


On 27/06/2012, at 9:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:

> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> 
> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
> contribute to the group.   
> 
> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
> minnow in the Mac geekdom.
> 
> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
> working, I need to be careful.
> 
> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
> many years but now live in Albury.
> 
> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
> eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere 
> as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter 
> (for financial members).
> 
> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
> 
> Peter Sealy
> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA

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[Reg Whitely]

Dear Eugene

I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so 
many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.

As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from 
you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to 
continue.

Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.

Reg


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On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:

> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last 
> time I am able to write to the list.
> 
> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these 
> meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was 
> able to maintain contact.
> 
> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and 
> at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from 
> others when I encountered problems myself.
> 
> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
> dialogue.
> 
> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Eugene
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> 
>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
>> 
>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
>> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
>> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
>> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
>> contribute to the group.   
>> 
>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as 
>> a minnow in the Mac geekdom.
>> 
>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
>> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
>> working, I need to be careful.
>> 
>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
>> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
>> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
>> many years but now live in Albury.
>> 
>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
>> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
>> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your 
>> electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List 
>> is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly 
>> Newsletter (for financial members).
>> 
>> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
>> 
>> Peter Sealy
>> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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[Reg Whitely]

Dear Peter

I have always respected your contribution to WAMUG list discussions. I'm 
disheartened at your decision to 'withdraw'. Life is torrid, rewards are 
welcome. 

Do please stay with WAMUG. Maybe WAMUG may offer a solution for you and others 
in similar situations, before Sunday.

I don't want to lose your (combined) brains trust.

Reg

PS sent from me who also needs to cough up the fee by Saturday.

Reg

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On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 pm, Peter Sealy wrote:

> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> 
> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
> contribute to the group.   
> 
> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
> minnow in the Mac geekdom.
> 
> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
> working, I need to be careful.
> 
> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
> many years but now live in Albury.
> 
> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
> eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere 
> as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter 
> (for financial members).
> 
> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
> 
> Peter Sealy
> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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Re: Adieu

[Eugene de Gouw]

Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last 
time I am able to write to the list.

I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments 
impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but 
with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to 
maintain contact.

>From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at 
>other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others 
>when I encountered problems myself.

I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
dialogue.

I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.

  Regards,
  Eugene
 

On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:

> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> 
> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
> contribute to the group.   
> 
> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
> minnow in the Mac geekdom.
> 
> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
> working, I need to be careful.
> 
> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
> many years but now live in Albury.
> 
> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
> eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere 
> as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter 
> (for financial members).
> 
> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
> 
> Peter Sealy
> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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[Peter Sealy]

I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.

I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I 
have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else 
has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing 
Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute 
to the group.   

The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
minnow in the Mac geekdom.

As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and 
while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I 
need to be careful.

I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps 
me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august 
group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but 
now live in Albury.

We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as 
active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for 
financial members).

Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.

Peter Sealy
Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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Re: Offsite backup

[Ronda Brown]

Have you thought about storing offsite backups in a Bank Vault.
Probably safer and cheaper than other 'offsite' options.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 27/06/2012, at 5:28 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Severin,
> 
> Are you meaning "Online Backup" or "Offsite Backup".
> By mentioning iCloud I presumed you meant "Online Backup"?
> 
> If so, you need to check the security of each service and the price. Most are 
> very expensive especially for the amount of Data you are thinking of storing.
> And remember to upload or download from 'Online Backup' can take days for 
> that amount of data! ;-)
> 
> A few links for you below:
> 
> Online Backup Services:
> 
> Which online backup service is right for you?
> 
> 
> 7 Web services that let you back up files and restore them from anywhere
> Bit outdated as written in 2009
> 
> 
> 6 of the best online backup services for Mac
> 
> 
> 2012 Best Online Data Backup Comparisons and Reviews
> 
> 
> 27 Online Backup Services Reviewed
> A List of the Best Online Backup Services
> 
> 
> Online Cloud Backup Reviews & Ratings
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
> OS X 10.7.4 Lion
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
> 
>> I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to 
>> back up securely offsite.  iCloud looks pricey!  Are there cheaper 
>> alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar.  
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> 
>>  Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
>>  15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
>>   Phone  (08) 9842 1950   (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>>   email  mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au  
>> 
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[Severin Crisp]

Thanks Ronni, yes, I was confused.  Originally I was thinking "Online Time 
Machine" but that is too expensive as far as I can see. Neil's suggestion of 
offsite with swapping a couple of drives seems the way to go.  I have not only 
my own stuff but also critical material belonging to other people that I have 
trebly backed up at home but which needs an away from home repository and also 
easy access by others if I happen to suddenly cark it.  
Thanks for confirming what was more or less apparent, hope you are warm and 
snug at home today, cold wet and windy here right now!  
Severin
  
On 27/06/2012, at 5:28 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Severin,
> 
> Are you meaning "Online Backup" or "Offsite Backup".
> By mentioning iCloud I presumed you meant "Online Backup"?
> 
> If so, you need to check the security of each service and the price. Most are 
> very expensive especially for the amount of Data you are thinking of storing.
> And remember to upload or download from 'Online Backup' can take days for 
> that amount of data! ;-)
> 
> A few links for you below:
> 
> Online Backup Services:
> 
> Which online backup service is right for you?
> 
> 
> 7 Web services that let you back up files and restore them from anywhere
> Bit outdated as written in 2009
> 
> 
> 6 of the best online backup services for Mac
> 
> 
> 2012 Best Online Data Backup Comparisons and Reviews
> 
> 
> 27 Online Backup Services Reviewed
> A List of the Best Online Backup Services
> 
> 
> Online Cloud Backup Reviews & Ratings
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
> OS X 10.7.4 Lion
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
> 
>> I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to 
>> back up securely offsite.  iCloud looks pricey!  Are there cheaper 
>> alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar.  
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> 
>>  Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
>>  15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
>>   Phone  (08) 9842 1950   (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>>   email  mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Severin,

Are you meaning "Online Backup" or "Offsite Backup".
By mentioning iCloud I presumed you meant "Online Backup"?

If so, you need to check the security of each service and the price. Most are 
very expensive especially for the amount of Data you are thinking of storing.
And remember to upload or download from 'Online Backup' can take days for that 
amount of data! ;-)

A few links for you below:

Online Backup Services:

Which online backup service is right for you?


7 Web services that let you back up files and restore them from anywhere
Bit outdated as written in 2009


6 of the best online backup services for Mac


2012 Best Online Data Backup Comparisons and Reviews


27 Online Backup Services Reviewed
A List of the Best Online Backup Services


Online Cloud Backup Reviews & Ratings



Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.4 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)



On 27/06/2012, at 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

> I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to 
> back up securely offsite.  iCloud looks pricey!  Are there cheaper 
> alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar.  
> Severin Crisp
> 
> 
>   Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
>   15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
>Phone  (08) 9842 1950   (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>email  mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au  
> 
> 
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[Severin Crisp]

Thanks, Neil.  Even though I do not have an alternative site, well maybe I do?, 
I might nip in to OfficeWorks tomorrow, that is a price not to go past for an 
extra drive on the shelf, as if I needed any more.  An offsite Time Machine 
would be ideal.  
I am sure you are snug and warm inside, it is very cold and windy and wet 
outside here on Mount Clarence right now!
Cheers
Severin
On 27/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:

> Hi Severin,
> 
> If you have an alternative site to store it, you can also go with the
> rotating disk approach - disk 1 at home, disk 2 offsite - and rotate them on
> a weekly (or other) basis.
> 
> Officeworks Albany are doing a really good deal on the 500GB WD MyPassport
> Studio (FW800 & USB2.0) - I bought one the other week for $89 (along with an
> Airport Extreme for $45 and an Airport Express for $37.50!) but it's even
> better now:
> 
> I saw online somewhere that they had dropped the price on the Studio drive
> to $67 - but that they were mostly sold out. I checked their clearance
> section online - which confirmed the $67 price but said sold out:
>  t-Hard-Drives/WDBE0500SL>
> 
> However, I remembered that there had been a few units at Albany and went in
> on Monday to check - they still had a few and so I got another couple to do
> just what you are talking about (keep one off-site and rotate between them)
> they still had the $89 clearance sign up - but they scanned at $67 ;o)).
> 
> As of Monday they still had 3 or 4 units left (after my purchase) so you may
> be lucky. (The Airport Extremes and Aiport Expresses seem to have gone
> though).
> 
> Note that this drive has just been superseded by this one:
>  t-Hard-Drives/WDAL500BK>
> 
> The new model has the advantage of 2 FW800 ports - rather than the single
> FW800 port of the clearance model - however, they want $179 for that -
> whereas you could get 2 of the clearance model for $134 ;o)
> 
> 
> Just a thought ;o)
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> 
> 
> on 27/6/12 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> 
>> I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to
>> back up securely offsite.  iCloud looks pricey!  Are there cheaper
>> alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar.
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> 
>>   Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
>>   15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
>>Phone  (08) 9842 1950   (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>>email  mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Offsite backup

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Severin,

If you have an alternative site to store it, you can also go with the
rotating disk approach - disk 1 at home, disk 2 offsite - and rotate them on
a weekly (or other) basis.

Officeworks Albany are doing a really good deal on the 500GB WD MyPassport
Studio (FW800 & USB2.0) - I bought one the other week for $89 (along with an
Airport Extreme for $45 and an Airport Express for $37.50!) but it's even
better now:

I saw online somewhere that they had dropped the price on the Studio drive
to $67 - but that they were mostly sold out. I checked their clearance
section online - which confirmed the $67 price but said sold out:


However, I remembered that there had been a few units at Albany and went in
on Monday to check - they still had a few and so I got another couple to do
just what you are talking about (keep one off-site and rotate between them)
they still had the $89 clearance sign up - but they scanned at $67 ;o)).

As of Monday they still had 3 or 4 units left (after my purchase) so you may
be lucky. (The Airport Extremes and Aiport Expresses seem to have gone
though).

Note that this drive has just been superseded by this one:


The new model has the advantage of 2 FW800 ports - rather than the single
FW800 port of the clearance model - however, they want $179 for that -
whereas you could get 2 of the clearance model for $134 ;o)


Just a thought ;o)


Cheers


Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com



on 27/6/12 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

> I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to
> back up securely offsite.  iCloud looks pricey!  Are there cheaper
> alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar.
> Severin Crisp
> 
> 
>Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
>15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
> Phone  (08) 9842 1950   (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
> email  mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au
> 
> 


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[Severin Crisp]

I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to back 
up securely offsite.  iCloud looks pricey!  Are there cheaper alternatives - I 
am looking at weekly backup updates or similar.  
Severin Crisp


   Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
   15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia.
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Re: Writing to PDF

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Preview is a very useful application with a lot of hidden powers.

This is an old article written in 2008 'Preview’s hidden powers' but still 
relevant to current Preview Application
8 things you didn’t know you could do with this built-in tool



I just cant at the moment locate a really good document I have 'somewhere' on 
my Mac about Preview.
If I find it I'll post again ;-)

Cheers,
Ronni


On 27/06/2012, at 2:48 PM, Curtis Peter wrote:

> Thank you all for your responses.
> I didn't realise preview had that capacity, for the odd time I require it I 
> think that will do me.
> Mind you, I'll still look at the other suggestions.
> Once again, many thanks
> Regards
> Peter

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