Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. They > are up to date and useful. > > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge we > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for most > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal. We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
Hoi, This is my analysis of the situation with several strategies to remedy the situation. I am really interested in your reaction and yes, fallback is in there but there has to be something to fallback to. That is currently missing. Thanks, Gerard http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/10/wikdata-needs-378000-labels.html On 18 October 2013 22:27, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > Hoi, > > > > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. > They > > are up to date and useful. > > > > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge > we > > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in > > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for > most > > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. > > This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language > fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the > situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer > during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly > a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that > they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in > a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when > there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal. > We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics. > > > Cheers > Lydia > > -- > Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher > Product Manager for Wikidata > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > Obentrautstr. 72 > 10963 Berlin > www.wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items with
no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages.
[1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> >
> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1].
> They
> > are up to date and useful.
> >
> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge
> we
> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in
> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for
> most
> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why.
>
> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language
> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the
> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer
> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly
> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that
> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in
> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when
> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal.
> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics.
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
> --
> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
> Product Manager for Wikidata
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> Obentrautstr. 72
> 10963 Berlin
> www.wikimedia.de
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
>
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
i took one example and am lost already, pegasus, listed on top with 5
labels without description:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?lang=de&term=Pegasus&doit=1
then i take one with a description "Sternbild knapp nördlich des
Himmelsäquators":
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8864
and, i do not see this description, nor can i figure out where this
description came from. where did i make the error?
rupert
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
>
> The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items with
> no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages.
>
>
> [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen
>> wrote:
>> > Hoi,
>> >
>> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1].
>> > They
>> > are up to date and useful.
>> >
>> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge
>> > we
>> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in
>> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for
>> > most
>> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why.
>>
>> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language
>> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the
>> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer
>> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly
>> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that
>> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in
>> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when
>> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal.
>> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lydia
>>
>> --
>> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
>> Product Manager for Wikidata
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
>> Obentrautstr. 72
>> 10963 Berlin
>> www.wikimedia.de
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
>>
>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
>> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
>> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
You used German ("de") on the Terminator page. Have you switched your
Wikidata language to "de" accordingly?
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:
> i took one example and am lost already, pegasus, listed on top with 5
> labels without description:
>
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?lang=de&term=Pegasus&doit=1
>
> then i take one with a description "Sternbild knapp nördlich des
> Himmelsäquators":
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8864
>
> and, i do not see this description, nor can i figure out where this
> description came from. where did i make the error?
>
> rupert
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske
> wrote:
> >
> > The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items
> with
> > no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages.
> >
> >
> > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hoi,
> >> >
> >> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1].
> >> > They
> >> > are up to date and useful.
> >> >
> >> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest
> challenge
> >> > we
> >> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented
> in
> >> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for
> >> > most
> >> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why.
> >>
> >> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language
> >> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the
> >> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer
> >> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly
> >> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that
> >> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in
> >> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when
> >> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal.
> >> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Lydia
> >>
> >> --
> >> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
> >> Product Manager for Wikidata
> >>
> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> >> Obentrautstr. 72
> >> 10963 Berlin
> >> www.wikimedia.de
> >>
> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
> >>
> >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> >> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> >> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
maybe the most important question first: is it the goal that human
editors extend / correct this data in wikidata, or is there a feed?
if it is really humans who should enter data:
thanks for the hint magnus, i can see it now, hallelujah. i'd have
never in my life the idea to change the GUI language in preferences to
"de" to change the contents language. and, it takes 8 clicks on a
smaller screen - enough so i would not do it more than one time every
5 years :)
rupert
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> You used German ("de") on the Terminator page. Have you switched your
> Wikidata language to "de" accordingly?
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, rupert THURNER
> wrote:
>>
>> i took one example and am lost already, pegasus, listed on top with 5
>> labels without description:
>>
>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?lang=de&term=Pegasus&doit=1
>>
>> then i take one with a description "Sternbild knapp nördlich des
>> Himmelsäquators":
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8864
>>
>> and, i do not see this description, nor can i figure out where this
>> description came from. where did i make the error?
>>
>> rupert
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items
>> > with
>> > no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages.
>> >
>> >
>> > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hoi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1].
>> >> > They
>> >> > are up to date and useful.
>> >> >
>> >> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest
>> >> > challenge
>> >> > we
>> >> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented
>> >> > in
>> >> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is
>> >> > for
>> >> > most
>> >> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why.
>> >>
>> >> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language
>> >> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the
>> >> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer
>> >> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly
>> >> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that
>> >> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in
>> >> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when
>> >> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal.
>> >> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Lydia
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
>> >> Product Manager for Wikidata
>> >>
>> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
>> >> Obentrautstr. 72
>> >> 10963 Berlin
>> >> www.wikimedia.de
>> >>
>> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
>> >>
>> >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
>> >> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
>> >> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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