Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. They > are up to date and useful. > > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge we > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for most > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal. We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
Hoi, This is my analysis of the situation with several strategies to remedy the situation. I am really interested in your reaction and yes, fallback is in there but there has to be something to fallback to. That is currently missing. Thanks, Gerard http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/10/wikdata-needs-378000-labels.html On 18 October 2013 22:27, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > Hoi, > > > > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. > They > > are up to date and useful. > > > > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge > we > > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in > > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for > most > > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. > > This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language > fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the > situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer > during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly > a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that > they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in > a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when > there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal. > We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics. > > > Cheers > Lydia > > -- > Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher > Product Manager for Wikidata > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > Obentrautstr. 72 > 10963 Berlin > www.wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items with no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages. [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > Hoi, > > > > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. > They > > are up to date and useful. > > > > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge > we > > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in > > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for > most > > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. > > This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language > fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the > situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer > during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly > a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that > they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in > a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when > there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal. > We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics. > > > Cheers > Lydia > > -- > Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher > Product Manager for Wikidata > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > Obentrautstr. 72 > 10963 Berlin > www.wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > -- undefined ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
i took one example and am lost already, pegasus, listed on top with 5 labels without description: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?lang=de&term=Pegasus&doit=1 then i take one with a description "Sternbild knapp nördlich des Himmelsäquators": https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8864 and, i do not see this description, nor can i figure out where this description came from. where did i make the error? rupert On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > > The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items with > no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages. > > > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen >> wrote: >> > Hoi, >> > >> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. >> > They >> > are up to date and useful. >> > >> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest challenge >> > we >> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented in >> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for >> > most >> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. >> >> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language >> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the >> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer >> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly >> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that >> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in >> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when >> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal. >> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics. >> >> >> Cheers >> Lydia >> >> -- >> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher >> Product Manager for Wikidata >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. >> Obentrautstr. 72 >> 10963 Berlin >> www.wikimedia.de >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. >> >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg >> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das >> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > > -- > undefined > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
You used German ("de") on the Terminator page. Have you switched your Wikidata language to "de" accordingly? On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: > i took one example and am lost already, pegasus, listed on top with 5 > labels without description: > > http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?lang=de&term=Pegasus&doit=1 > > then i take one with a description "Sternbild knapp nördlich des > Himmelsäquators": > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8864 > > and, i do not see this description, nor can i figure out where this > description came from. where did i make the error? > > rupert > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske > wrote: > > > > The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items > with > > no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages. > > > > > > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher > > wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen > >> wrote: > >> > Hoi, > >> > > >> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. > >> > They > >> > are up to date and useful. > >> > > >> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest > challenge > >> > we > >> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented > in > >> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is for > >> > most > >> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. > >> > >> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language > >> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the > >> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer > >> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly > >> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that > >> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in > >> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when > >> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal. > >> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics. > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> Lydia > >> > >> -- > >> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher > >> Product Manager for Wikidata > >> > >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > >> Obentrautstr. 72 > >> 10963 Berlin > >> www.wikimedia.de > >> > >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > >> > >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > >> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > >> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > >> > >> ___ > >> Wikidata-l mailing list > >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > > > > > > > -- > > undefined > > > > ___ > > Wikidata-l mailing list > > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > -- undefined ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] Statistics
maybe the most important question first: is it the goal that human editors extend / correct this data in wikidata, or is there a feed? if it is really humans who should enter data: thanks for the hint magnus, i can see it now, hallelujah. i'd have never in my life the idea to change the GUI language in preferences to "de" to change the contents language. and, it takes 8 clicks on a smaller screen - enough so i would not do it more than one time every 5 years :) rupert On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Magnus Manske wrote: > You used German ("de") on the Terminator page. Have you switched your > Wikidata language to "de" accordingly? > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, rupert THURNER > wrote: >> >> i took one example and am lost already, pegasus, listed on top with 5 >> labels without description: >> >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?lang=de&term=Pegasus&doit=1 >> >> then i take one with a description "Sternbild knapp nördlich des >> Himmelsäquators": >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8864 >> >> and, i do not see this description, nor can i figure out where this >> description came from. where did i make the error? >> >> rupert >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Magnus Manske >> wrote: >> > >> > The Terminator [1] can show you the most linked-to (~important) items >> > with >> > no label ("term", hence the name) in major languages. >> > >> > >> > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Lydia Pintscher >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hoi, >> >> > >> >> > I do not know if you have seen the statistics compiled by Magnus [1]. >> >> > They >> >> > are up to date and useful. >> >> > >> >> > I blogged about it [2]. As far as I am concerned, the biggest >> >> > challenge >> >> > we >> >> > face is the lack of labels. Given that 280+ languages are represented >> >> > in >> >> > Wikidata it clearly demonstrates that Wikidata is useless as it is >> >> > for >> >> > most >> >> > languages. Please tell me that I am wrong and explain why. >> >> >> >> This is correct to a certain degree. However we have language >> >> fallbacks on the roadmap which will significantly help improve the >> >> situation. Liangent has put a lot of effort into this over the summer >> >> during Google Summer of Code. The other thing is that there is clearly >> >> a number of items which are more used than others. My theory is that >> >> they are also the ones that are more complete. If there is no label in >> >> a small language for a very obscure item than this is less bad as when >> >> there is none for a much-used item. Not all items are created equal. >> >> We should keep that in mind when interpreting statistics. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Lydia >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher >> >> Product Manager for Wikidata >> >> >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. >> >> Obentrautstr. 72 >> >> 10963 Berlin >> >> www.wikimedia.de >> >> >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. >> >> >> >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg >> >> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das >> >> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > undefined >> > >> > ___ >> > Wikidata-l mailing list >> > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> > >> >> ___ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > > -- > undefined > > ___ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l