[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others

2013-02-15 Thread David Gerard
COMPREHENSIBLE TEMPLATES!!!


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From: Rob Lanphier 
Date: 15 February 2013 20:33
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others
To: Wikimedia developers ,
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Hi everyone,

We're planning to deploy Lua to a long list of wikis on Monday,
February 18, 23:00-01:00 UTC (stretching into Tuesday UTC), including
English Wikipedia.

Details here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Lua

Jan Kučera (User:Kozuch) has placed notifications on many of the
wikis.  Those notifications and general communications listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kozuch/Lua

This is a really exciting deployment for the projects.  We're really
looking forward to seeing the great things that people do with this,
and looking forward to making editing and previewing more responsive
for template-heavy pages.

Rob

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Re: [WikiEN-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

2013-02-15 Thread legoktm
The item should be created, because in many cases other properties (
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:P) can still be added to the item.
-- Legoktm



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Carcharoth wrote:

> On 2/15/13, Katie Chan  wrote:
>
> >  From my experience, it would appear generally speaking article with
> > more than 1 or 2 interwiki links will typically already exist on
> > Wikidata, but not necessarily otherwise.
>
> If only 1 or 2 interwiki links exist on an article, and there is no
> Wikidata entry, is it worth creating one or just waiting for one to be
> created as more interwiki links are added, or other Wikidata
> functionality is added?
>
> Carcharoth
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Re: [WikiEN-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

2013-02-15 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Carcharoth  wrote:
> On 2/15/13, Katie Chan  wrote:
>
>>  From my experience, it would appear generally speaking article with
>> more than 1 or 2 interwiki links will typically already exist on
>> Wikidata, but not necessarily otherwise.
>
> If only 1 or 2 interwiki links exist on an article, and there is no
> Wikidata entry, is it worth creating one or just waiting for one to be
> created as more interwiki links are added, or other Wikidata
> functionality is added?

Eventually I expect one of the bots to get to it but if you want you
can also just create it.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: [WikiEN-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

2013-02-15 Thread Carcharoth
On 2/15/13, Katie Chan  wrote:

>  From my experience, it would appear generally speaking article with
> more than 1 or 2 interwiki links will typically already exist on
> Wikidata, but not necessarily otherwise.

If only 1 or 2 interwiki links exist on an article, and there is no
Wikidata entry, is it worth creating one or just waiting for one to be
created as more interwiki links are added, or other Wikidata
functionality is added?

Carcharoth

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Re: [WikiEN-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

2013-02-15 Thread Katie Chan

On 15/02/2013 11:36, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Steve Bennett  wrote:


Speaking as someone who knows nothing about Wikidata, the phrase "once
the article is linked on Wikidata" doesn't mean anything. From a bit
of digging around, I see that someone has to create a Wikidata page
for each biographical subject, but who? Will the bot "MerllwBot" (that
created the Mario Goeppert-Mayer page) eventually create all the
others?


It's a mix of bots and humans creating them. At this point my best
guess is that a very large part of pages already have a corresponding
page on Wikidata. But that's just a guess. In total we have 3,985,290
on Wikidata at the moment, and growing.


From my experience, it would appear generally speaking article with 
more than 1 or 2 interwiki links will typically already exist on 
Wikidata, but not necessarily otherwise.


If there's a Wikidata item that linked to the corresponding article you 
are on, "Edit links" will appear on the side bar under Languages.


KTC

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Re: [WikiEN-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

2013-02-15 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hi Steve,

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> Hi Lydia,
>   Very cool. You might want to expand on this text: "Language links in
> the sidebar will automatically come from Wikidata, once the article is
> linked on Wikidata. No special syntax is needed for that."

Yes, correct. A page on Wikidata (called item) needs to exist for the
subject and contain a link to the article on the Wikipedia where the
other language links are supposed to show up.
So take for example http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2. If someone writes
a new article about this subject that didn't have one so far then they
need to add the link to the table at the bottom there. Then all the
other links will show up in the sidebar of their article.
I hope that makes it clearer. If not please let me know.

> Speaking as someone who knows nothing about Wikidata, the phrase "once
> the article is linked on Wikidata" doesn't mean anything. From a bit
> of digging around, I see that someone has to create a Wikidata page
> for each biographical subject, but who? Will the bot "MerllwBot" (that
> created the Mario Goeppert-Mayer page) eventually create all the
> others?

It's a mix of bots and humans creating them. At this point my best
guess is that a very large part of pages already have a corresponding
page on Wikidata. But that's just a guess. In total we have 3,985,290
on Wikidata at the moment, and growing.

> What exactly should editors do at this point? Just sit back and
> wikidata goodness will flow? Or take active steps to replace lists of
> interwiki links with automatically generated ones?

That is up to you. If you want you can remove them by hand. Or have
someone run bots to do so. Or just leave things as they are.


Cheers
Lydia

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