[Wikimedia-l] Global East

[Anders Wennersten]

Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in 
the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp in 
Ukraine and of Kazak WIkipedia


The 8 minutes report is half in Swedish and half in English so a bit 
hard to listen to [1]


The most interesting parts are
*The Kazak dictator is making all academics in this country to update 
the Kazan version of Wikipedia, perhaps to get it POV but mostly so they 
will not be dependent of ru:wp, ie he sees it as a must to have a decent 
Wikipedia version in order to be independent of the culture from Russia
*In Ukraine the former education minister (pro eu and pro Ukrainian 
language) actively promoted the ua:wp so not be dependent on ru:wp. The 
current minister have the opposite idea and has made Russian  an 
official second language in the eastern part of Ukraine
*It seems the university students make it as almost a political choice 
if to use ua:wp or ru:wp, and then in western Ukraine choose ua:wp


The central role of Wikipedia in theses vital political issues I have 
not heard of from our ordinary "western" chapters/language versions (or 
is catalonian/Amical an example)


And reflecting on this, I also think, even if independent,  of the 
dramatic increase of use of arabic and indonesian wikipedia [2] . Also 
of Vietnamese wikipedia which has a tremendous increase in number of 
article  by intellegent use of bots. Also of the very interesting 
development in India, with their many different language versions.


We here very little (nothing?) from these interesting developments, 
where we all probably can have a lot to learn


Asaf talks of the problem of getting Global South started as there are 
very weak/missing wp communities. But are we as a movement doing enough 
to support the active communities and developments in the Global East? 
(I can not help also think of Sues words re elections within the 
movement. Do these processes conserve our existing dominance in Board 
and groups of representatives coming from western world?)


Anders


[1] 
http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=db&id=4725418&codingformat=.m4a&metafile=asx
[2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htmtic 
increase of use of arabic wikipedia


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo

[Samuel Klein]

Tomasz Kozlowski writes:
> the WMF just hired the infamous Jones Day bullies

Talk about 'undue weight'...   Jones Day is just a large, competent
global legal firm, with 2500 lawyers. Neither saintly nor infamous.
Some of their lawyers supported Lessig in the Eldred case, others are
working right now with the EFF to help him fight bogus takedown
requests. Others intimidated a controversial website four years ago,
as you noted.[1]
They are a reasonable group to have working for the WMF; but also
large enough to have made the occasional mistake.

Craig Franklin writes:
> consider that the other side might just have a legitimate reason
> for what they're doing beyond causing trouble for the other.

It is clear that everyone who cares deeply about this has a legitimate
concern.

John Vandenberg writes:
> we're hoping to keep this low key in the hope a solution
> can be found by a well informed community during a
> good faith mediation process.

+1  I would hope we can resolve this within our community.

> [T]here are other options that we should explore. For example
> the Debian project only has a trademark on their logo combined
> with stylised 'Debian'. The logo without stylised 'Debian' is not
> trademarked.

That's not quite accurate.  They have trademarked the wordmark.
They have sporadically discussed trademarking the logo, but most
community discussion was around the copyright of the logo.  The logos
are now freely licensed.  The latest Debian community discussion
around trademark resulted in a plan to register the logo in the US
this year. [2]

I would love to see a detailed discussion about principle and desired
outcomes - TM is only a means to an end.  Let's figure out what we
want the end result to be; then we can use the best social tools
(norms, wiki policies, laws-if-needed) to make sure that happens.

Sam.

[1] 
http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/March-April-2004/story_lessig_marapr04.msp
https://www.eff.org/cases/lawrence-lessig-v-liberation-music

[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/04/msg00082.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/06/msg00022.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and Internet2

[Jasper Deng]

Thanks for the feedback, Leslie.

Yeah it's more about having direct connections. I guess we can't really use
it to increase bandwidth except to people already on their network, but
those who are on the network do tend to use our sites a lot, since they
often have to do research.

I'm not clear on whether we would be merely peering with them or actually
adding another data link, since (for instance) Missouri University set up
their own IXP just to connect to their network. But peering seems to
achieve the desired result.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Leslie Carr  wrote:

> FYI  -
>
> Also while I would see a benefit in peering, I would probably use the
> transit or partial transit bgp group, since this is being like a
> transit network, and I wouldn't want to overrule our better paths to
> their downstream AS'es
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Leslie Carr 
> Date: Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and Internet2
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
>
>
> As the network person, I don't really see any benefit in joining
> internet2, though I would see a benefit in possibly peering with them
> at Equinix Ashburn, since according to their looking glass they have a
> more direct connection to several AS'es than we do.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Jasper Deng 
> wrote:
> > Sneakernets are not particularly convenient. If the organizations of the
> > net wanted to use that for data transfer, the net wouldn't exist.
> >
> > But I still think Wikimedia could increase/streamline accessibility to
> its
> > information. It probably couldn't happen, but they have more than enough
> > capacity to serve our content alone from eqiad (replacing or augmenting
> our
> > existing links). Wikimedia also develops new ways to reach more people
> > (such as MediaWiki mobile) like many of the organizations.
>
> Internet2 is not set up as a true transit network, so this would not work.
>
> >
> > Another information organization that's participating is JSTOR, which I
> > think is comparable to our projects as a source of information, so I
> think
> > we can benefit from it.
> >
> > I'd respectfully disagree, as a Wikidata editor, that Commons is the only
> > large database, because it may be large in terms of file size, but
> Wikidata
> > has more tangible "hard" machine-readable data, with much more to come.
> >
>
> But from a network perspective, wikidata is a small database since it
> is text... and the only benefit of joining internet2 is the network
> connection.
>
>
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:41 PM, geni  wrote:
> >
> >> On 12 October 2013 21:41, Jasper Deng 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > We could change that. Suppose a university wants to request the entire
> >> > knowledgebase of Wikidata or another project, or if we need to do a
> mass
> >> > transfer of data from them.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Still not significant.  The only really large database we have is the
> >> commons image database and a sneaker net might be the most practical
> option
> >> there.
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2014 location decision

[Steven Zhang]

Bulk of the chapters are in Europe, so it's generally seen as cheaper for most 
chapters, and more convenient for them. I agree with your sentiment.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Oct 2013, at 7:06 pm, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  
> wrote:
> 
> As one of the team for the India bid, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in
> this decision. It seems like this event will never leave Europe.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
> 
>> Congratulations - Berlin is one amazing city. Some great bids were placed,
>> too.
>> 
>> Looking forward to it!
>> 
>> -Sarah
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Ivan Martínez  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all the team involved in the bidding and decision. We will
>> have a
>>> very nice conference in Berlin.
>>> 
>>> Regards.
>>> El oct 12, 2013 8:31 a.m., "Bence Damokos" 
>> escribió:
>>> 
 Dear all,
 
 Following considerable deliberation it is with great pleasure that we
 announce that the Location Committee has selected Berlin as the
>> location
 for the 2014 Wikimedia Conference.
 
 We received a total of four bids from Germany, India, Italy and Sweden.
>>> In
 selecting the Berlin location we have taken into consideration the
 experience and capacity of the team; the travel time and cost for
 attendees; the cost of hosting the conference; and the facilities and
>>> room
 configuration of the proposed venues.
 
 Throughout our deliberations we kept an open mind towards having the
 conference in a new location/country, and we have appreciated the
>> compact
 solutions offered by having all participants close to each other or
>>> staying
 at the same lodging; however, we felt that the Berlin bid provides –
>> by a
 small margin – the best combination of price, distance and experience
>>> this
 year.
 
 We thank all the organisations that have entered a bid for their time
>> and
 effort and we hope that even if they were not selected this year, they
>>> can
 make use of the experience when they organise other meetings that will
 further the Wikimedia mission.
 
 In closing, we would like to thank all Wikimedia organisations for
>>> placing
 their trust in this process and committee, which was an interesting
 experience for all of us. In the hope that the Wikimedia organisations
>>> keep
 the hosting choice an open process, we would like to propose a number
>> of
 potential process improvements[1], and we would invite all the bidders
>>> and
 other interested parties to provide their own feedback.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Asaf Bartov, Bence Damokos, Arnau Duran, Itzik Edri, Mike Peel, Osmar
 Valdebenito, Ilario Valdelli
 Wikimedia Conference 2014 Location Committee
 
 [1]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and Internet2

[Leslie Carr]

FYI  -

Also while I would see a benefit in peering, I would probably use the
transit or partial transit bgp group, since this is being like a
transit network, and I wouldn't want to overrule our better paths to
their downstream AS'es


-- Forwarded message --
From: Leslie Carr 
Date: Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and Internet2
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 


As the network person, I don't really see any benefit in joining
internet2, though I would see a benefit in possibly peering with them
at Equinix Ashburn, since according to their looking glass they have a
more direct connection to several AS'es than we do.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Jasper Deng  wrote:
> Sneakernets are not particularly convenient. If the organizations of the
> net wanted to use that for data transfer, the net wouldn't exist.
>
> But I still think Wikimedia could increase/streamline accessibility to its
> information. It probably couldn't happen, but they have more than enough
> capacity to serve our content alone from eqiad (replacing or augmenting our
> existing links). Wikimedia also develops new ways to reach more people
> (such as MediaWiki mobile) like many of the organizations.

Internet2 is not set up as a true transit network, so this would not work.

>
> Another information organization that's participating is JSTOR, which I
> think is comparable to our projects as a source of information, so I think
> we can benefit from it.
>
> I'd respectfully disagree, as a Wikidata editor, that Commons is the only
> large database, because it may be large in terms of file size, but Wikidata
> has more tangible "hard" machine-readable data, with much more to come.
>

But from a network perspective, wikidata is a small database since it
is text... and the only benefit of joining internet2 is the network
connection.


>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:41 PM, geni  wrote:
>
>> On 12 October 2013 21:41, Jasper Deng  wrote:
>>
>> > We could change that. Suppose a university wants to request the entire
>> > knowledgebase of Wikidata or another project, or if we need to do a mass
>> > transfer of data from them.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Still not significant.  The only really large database we have is the
>> commons image database and a sneaker net might be the most practical option
>> there.
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and Internet2

[Leslie Carr]

As the network person, I don't really see any benefit in joining
internet2, though I would see a benefit in possibly peering with them
at Equinix Ashburn, since according to their looking glass they have a
more direct connection to several AS'es than we do.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Jasper Deng  wrote:
> Sneakernets are not particularly convenient. If the organizations of the
> net wanted to use that for data transfer, the net wouldn't exist.
>
> But I still think Wikimedia could increase/streamline accessibility to its
> information. It probably couldn't happen, but they have more than enough
> capacity to serve our content alone from eqiad (replacing or augmenting our
> existing links). Wikimedia also develops new ways to reach more people
> (such as MediaWiki mobile) like many of the organizations.

Internet2 is not set up as a true transit network, so this would not work.

>
> Another information organization that's participating is JSTOR, which I
> think is comparable to our projects as a source of information, so I think
> we can benefit from it.
>
> I'd respectfully disagree, as a Wikidata editor, that Commons is the only
> large database, because it may be large in terms of file size, but Wikidata
> has more tangible "hard" machine-readable data, with much more to come.
>

But from a network perspective, wikidata is a small database since it
is text... and the only benefit of joining internet2 is the network
connection.


>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:41 PM, geni  wrote:
>
>> On 12 October 2013 21:41, Jasper Deng  wrote:
>>
>> > We could change that. Suppose a university wants to request the entire
>> > knowledgebase of Wikidata or another project, or if we need to do a mass
>> > transfer of data from them.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Still not significant.  The only really large database we have is the
>> commons image database and a sneaker net might be the most practical option
>> there.
>>
>> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2014 location decision

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

As one of the team for the India bid, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in
this decision. It seems like this event will never leave Europe.


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> Congratulations - Berlin is one amazing city. Some great bids were placed,
> too.
>
> Looking forward to it!
>
> -Sarah
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Ivan Martínez  wrote:
>
> > Thanks to all the team involved in the bidding and decision. We will
> have a
> > very nice conference in Berlin.
> >
> > Regards.
> > El oct 12, 2013 8:31 a.m., "Bence Damokos" 
> escribió:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > Following considerable deliberation it is with great pleasure that we
> > > announce that the Location Committee has selected Berlin as the
> location
> > > for the 2014 Wikimedia Conference.
> > >
> > > We received a total of four bids from Germany, India, Italy and Sweden.
> > In
> > > selecting the Berlin location we have taken into consideration the
> > > experience and capacity of the team; the travel time and cost for
> > > attendees; the cost of hosting the conference; and the facilities and
> > room
> > > configuration of the proposed venues.
> > >
> > > Throughout our deliberations we kept an open mind towards having the
> > > conference in a new location/country, and we have appreciated the
> compact
> > > solutions offered by having all participants close to each other or
> > staying
> > > at the same lodging; however, we felt that the Berlin bid provides –
> by a
> > > small margin – the best combination of price, distance and experience
> > this
> > > year.
> > >
> > > We thank all the organisations that have entered a bid for their time
> and
> > > effort and we hope that even if they were not selected this year, they
> > can
> > > make use of the experience when they organise other meetings that will
> > > further the Wikimedia mission.
> > >
> > > In closing, we would like to thank all Wikimedia organisations for
> > placing
> > > their trust in this process and committee, which was an interesting
> > > experience for all of us. In the hope that the Wikimedia organisations
> > keep
> > > the hosting choice an open process, we would like to propose a number
> of
> > > potential process improvements[1], and we would invite all the bidders
> > and
> > > other interested parties to provide their own feedback.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Asaf Bartov, Bence Damokos, Arnau Duran, Itzik Edri, Mike Peel, Osmar
> > > Valdebenito, Ilario Valdelli
> > > Wikimedia Conference 2014 Location Committee
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014/Bids/Learnings
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