Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation
2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/7 AndrewRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> It seems the IWF are getting so much flak they've put a front page >> statement on their website: >> http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.249.htm > > > So who thinks they'd issue a press release accusing Amazon of > distributing child porn if it were Amazon being blocked? > > (I plan to call the press release "abusive and defamatory", 'cos it is.) The wording is "potentially illegal". Since pretty much everything has ability to be potentially illegal (with the possible exception of the queen and statements in the chamber) defamatory is questionable. It is understandable that the IWF would be mealy-mouthed rather than accusing the Scorpions record label of making and distributing child pornography. -- geni ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation
2008/12/7 AndrewRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It seems the IWF are getting so much flak they've put a front page > statement on their website: > http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.249.htm So who thinks they'd issue a press release accusing Amazon of distributing child porn if it were Amazon being blocked? (I plan to call the press release "abusive and defamatory", 'cos it is.) Today show appearance moved to 8:50am. Let's hope it doesn't fall off the schedule! - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation
Oldak Quill wrote: An Associated Press article has just been posted at FoxNews website: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Dec07/0,4670,EUBritainWikipediaCensorship,00.html Including ZDNet and The Register, this is the largest (albeit, international) news source to mention the story. The story is geared towards ISP censorship and the collateral of proxy filtering, rather than the image itself. "Robertson [IWF spokeswoman] said that image _ a picture from one of the band's album covers _ was first flagged by an Internet user last week. The Internet Watch Foundation consulted with British law enforcement before concluding that the picture could break the law, she said." AP mean it will be carried across a bunch of reusers. It's front page "OTHER TOP STORIES" link on BBC News Online, and Guardian is carrying an article and an editorial online. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update
Thomas Dalton wrote: On Dec 7, 9:52 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hopefully it will be done by the AGM, although that's a little optimistic. Hmm, that depends when you expect the AGM to be. We cant hold the AGM until at least 21 days after the bank account is opened and they haven't even asked us for proof of ID yet. With holidays, that could easily drag on into the new year. We'll do it as quickly as possible of course, but I personally wouldn't be surprised if the AGM was around mid February. I was hoping late January. If nothing goes wrong with the bank account, it's perfectly believable that it could be open by the end of the year, making late January an option for the AGM. As I said when this issue came up in one of the board meeting, we can't just call the AGM the day after we get a bank account. There need to be time for people to join after the bank account, and before the notice, so that they can be a member and decide/time to run for the board, which need members to be nominated in writing. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update
2008/12/8 AndrewRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Dec 7, 9:52 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hopefully it will be done by the AGM, although that's a little >> optimistic. > > Hmm, that depends when you expect the AGM to be. We cant hold the AGM > until at least 21 days after the bank account is opened and they > haven't even asked us for proof of ID yet. With holidays, that could > easily drag on into the new year. We'll do it as quickly as possible > of course, but I personally wouldn't be surprised if the AGM was > around mid February. I was hoping late January. If nothing goes wrong with the bank account, it's perfectly believable that it could be open by the end of the year, making late January an option for the AGM. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update
On Dec 7, 9:52 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hopefully it will be done by the AGM, although that's a little > optimistic. Hmm, that depends when you expect the AGM to be. We cant hold the AGM until at least 21 days after the bank account is opened and they haven't even asked us for proof of ID yet. With holidays, that could easily drag on into the new year. We'll do it as quickly as possible of course, but I personally wouldn't be surprised if the AGM was around mid February. Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation
It seems the IWF are getting so much flak they've put a front page statement on their website: http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.249.htm Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update
2008/12/7 AndrewRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Dec 7, 9:07 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't see how it taking quite a lot longer than we were hoping is a win... > > No, indeed. Although it's good to have a clear indication of what kind > of timescales people are working to - personally I'll keep off opening > the metaphorical champagne until January! Of course, it's no surprise that we hit a roadblock eventually - in fact, I'm surprised everything has gone so smoothly until now. Hopefully it will be done by the AGM, although that's a little optimistic. There is no urgency - we can claim gift aid retrospectively going back a couple of years, I think (there's no way it should take that long). It just makes it easier to encourage people to donate, but major fundraising isn't something we need to worry about until after the AGM. I think, with or without this, we can open metaphorical champagne at the AGM - getting that far is a great achievement. (Of course, opening real champagne is even better if anyone cares to buy some!) ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update
On Dec 7, 9:07 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see how it taking quite a lot longer than we were hoping is a win... No, indeed. Although it's good to have a clear indication of what kind of timescales people are working to - personally I'll keep off opening the metaphorical champagne until January! Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update
2008/12/7 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > WIN!!! I don't see how it taking quite a lot longer than we were hoping is a win... ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid - an update
WIN!!! 2008/12/5 Andrew Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all, > > Just to keep you up to date regarding Gift Aid. I spoke to the HMRC > Charities Unit today and asked them when we should expect a response. They > said they are currently taking between 6-8 weeks so we should expect to hear > around mid January. > > As we are not registered with the Charity Commission their initial response > may ask for more information to support out status as a charity; however, > I'll keep everyone informed when we hear. > > Regards, > > Andrew Turvey > Company Secretary > Wiki UK Limited > > Wiki UK Limited is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright > Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL. > > Information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this > email from your system. Unauthorised copying, forwarding or other use of any > confidential information in this email may result in legal action. > > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Oldak Quill wrote: > > The Internet Watch Foundation consulted with British law > enforcement before concluding that the picture could break the law, > she said." > As all things related to child pornography it seems that "guilty until proven innocent" (and even then sometimes still guilty) is the methodology in use here. Chris -- Chris McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sucs.org/~cmckenna The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation
2008/12/7 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Thanks, but I got in via a different route. Thing is I suspect that issue >> will be catching many others too. This whole thing is a disaster sfaiac >> for editors and readers alike. > > Indeed. There's not a lot we can do about it, though... hopefully the > press will take the "Evil ISPs censor the wonderful Wikipedia" angle > rather than the "Wikipedia serves up kiddy porn" angle and IWF will be > forced by the bad publicity to reverse their position. We'll know by > mid-way through Monday at the latest, I guess. An Associated Press article has just been posted at FoxNews website: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Dec07/0,4670,EUBritainWikipediaCensorship,00.html Including ZDNet and The Register, this is the largest (albeit, international) news source to mention the story. The story is geared towards ISP censorship and the collateral of proxy filtering, rather than the image itself. "Robertson [IWF spokeswoman] said that image _ a picture from one of the band's album covers _ was first flagged by an Internet user last week. The Internet Watch Foundation consulted with British law enforcement before concluding that the picture could break the law, she said." -- Oldak Quill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
2008/12/7 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/7 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I think the BBC make everything available on their site for a week. >> Someone recording it and putting up an ogg would be nice! > Nice, sure, but isn't that illegal? I'm sure I read a Wikipedia > article on something called "copyright" one time... I'll put it up and see if the BBC doesn't like it. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
2008/12/7 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think the BBC make everything available on their site for a week. > > Someone recording it and putting up an ogg would be nice! Nice, sure, but isn't that illegal? I'm sure I read a Wikipedia article on something called "copyright" one time... ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
excellent - well done David, please let us know how it goes. On Dec 7, 5:31 pm, "David Gerard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward > to dropping in the line "Wikipedia smells of hammers." ([[Brass Eye]]) > > - d. > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [EMAIL > PROTECTED]://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UKhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
2008/12/7 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think the BBC make everything available on their site for a week. > > Someone recording it and putting up an ogg would be nice! I'll see what can be done (though it'll have to wait until the evening). Good luck, and you may want to emphasise that we didn't know about this until we found out by accident... -- - Andrew Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
I think the BBC make everything available on their site for a week. Someone recording it and putting up an ogg would be nice! 2008/12/7 John Reaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Will this be available online anywhere (either as a live stream or > archived)? > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:31 AM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward >> to dropping in the line "Wikipedia smells of hammers." ([[Brass Eye]]) >> >> >> - d. >> >> ___ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > > > > -- > John Reaves > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > WikiEN-l mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
[Wikimediauk-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line "Wikipedia smells of hammers." ([[Brass Eye]]) - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation
2008/12/6 Paul Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> you need to try the link, and if it doesn't work, contact your >> ISP and ask WTF. >> > > HTTP 404 error on Eclipse Internet for page and image. Circumventable by > going to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virgin_Killer Ditto - I'm on TalkTalk here and I get a weird 404 error for the original link, but that one works. -- Sean Whitton / <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP KeyID: 0x25F4EAB7 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet 16 - 14th December 2008
If someone could print out a few membership forms (http:// upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/6/6f/ Wiki_UK_Ltd_membership_application_form.pdf) and take them along that would be great! Cheers On Dec 6, 11:55 am, Gordon Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The next London Wikimeet is at the usual place, and again on the > second Sunday of the month at 1pm (14th December 2008). > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_16 > > http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1375038 > > Upcoming says:- > > > Penderel's Oak > 283-288 High Holborn > London, England WC1V 7HP > > * Drink beer and eat Sunday lunch > * Chat about Wikipedia and any other topics we fancy. > [...] > > > I believe that drinking beer and eating Sunday lunch is optional. > > Chatting is encouraged, and often on matters of mutual interest. > > Near tubes: Holborn and Chancery Lane. > > Buses: 8, 242, 25 stop outside. > > Gordo > > -- > "Think Feynman"/http://pobox.com/~gordo/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [EMAIL > PROTECTED]://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UKhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation
2008/12/7 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Would you like me to tell it to email you a new password? > > Thanks, but I got in via a different route. Thing is I suspect that issue > will be catching many others too. This whole thing is a disaster sfaiac > for editors and readers alike. I believe this is how we originally found the problem - someone noticed a vast surge of traffic from a couple of IPs, they then found they were linked to IWF, and went hunting for the root problem. (FWIW, my home connection is Tiscali and worked fine last night; the one I'm on now is BT, and apparently also fine...) -- - Andrew Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM
2008/12/7 James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > OK folks, I asked around at the sqn, and the general consensus of opinion > was that the best place to meet would be Birmingham University itself - > there's a railway station in the middle of the campus (a direct line from > Birmingham New Street), plenty of rooms available for conference hire, and, > of course, lots of cafés and bars around the place. Any chance of getting one of those rooms for free? ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM
OK folks, I asked around at the sqn, and the general consensus of opinion was that the best place to meet would be Birmingham University itself - there's a railway station in the middle of the campus (a direct line from Birmingham New Street), plenty of rooms available for conference hire, and, of course, lots of cafés and bars around the place. James Humphreys (Colds7ream) -- From: "AndrewRT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:26 PM To: Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM > If you could that'd be useful! > > Thanks > > On Dec 2, 7:18 pm, "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As far as Birmingham is concerned, I'm at Uni in Keele and my home's in >> Shrewsbury, so that's fairly close, plus a load of folks in my RAF >> squadron >> go to Uni in the city itself, so I could easily ask them for advice as to >> the best places to look at. >> >> James >> >> -- >> From: "AndrewRT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:10 PM >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 2, 1:45 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Agreed. London, Birmingham or Manchester are all pretty accessible. >> >> >> >> > My only thoughts on Birmingham is that we don't seem to have any >> > activists from there who could organise venues. >> >> > Andrew >> >> > ___ >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK >> >http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> >> ___ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> [EMAIL >> PROTECTED]://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UKhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
