Re: [Wikitech-l] Portuguese Wikipedia village pump and crowdsourcing ideas
Hi, Petr. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Petr Kadlec petr.kad...@gmail.com wrote: If you don’t want to implement your own software to generate the RSS feed, I guess you could use something like http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial%3AP%C3%A1ginas_novasnamespace=4tagfilter=username=and if you would create an “abuse filter” marking all new subpages of the village pump with a special tag, you could even filter this using the new tag, and be practically done with it (it might not be exactly the format you requested, but the data is there). Thanks for your suggestion. I didn't know it was possible to do in this way. If I understood well, abuse filter needs admin rights. I tried to analyse some filters, but I must confess a script version can be more elegant. :) My brother has just shown me a first version of a notebook using IPython Notebook [1] http://nbviewer.ipython.org/urls/raw.github.com/aivuk/var/master/notebooks/Extraindo%2520New%2520Topics%2520from%2520Esplanada-Geral.ipynb https://github.com/aivuk/var/blob/master/notebooks/Extraindo%20New%20Topics%20from%20Esplanada-Geral.ipynb I hope soon we can improve it and later use tools for the community evaluate the threads quality (/a la/ reddit, slashdot etc.) and make some data analysis later. Best, Tom [1] https://vimeo.com/53051817 -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Portuguese Wikipedia village pump and crowdsourcing ideas
Hi all, I would like to ask some help to do one thing and brainstorm a little about some tools for crowdsourcing wikimedians ideas. 1) My first question is if someone could help me to create a RSS feed of threads of the Portuguese Wikipedia village pump (= /esplanada/). The feed would contain the title and link to the thread, the thread body and the author. Our /esplanada/ has one subpage per thread, which makes easy to watch what I want. See bellow http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/geral But I miss sometimes topics being created only using my watchlist and a RSS feed would facilitate my life to read and follow all threads I am interested in using an aggregator or even making the feed send each thread by e-mail. Once I created a RSS feed using a Web service that found HTML patterns, so I think that could be done in a similar way (I cannot remember the service name now). Would be easy to create a Python script for that? (maybe with beautifulSoup?) Any other method suggestion? 2) Not only for reading purposes, I also would like to add this threads and possible ideas inside the discussion on systems like All our ideas http://www.allourideas.org/, OSQA http://osqa.net (see this example http://ideas.okfn.org/) or possible other softwares to evaluate the best ideas and threads using a crowdsourcing model - other ideas for tools welcome. Any help for 1 and any idea for 2 is welcome. Thanks, Tom -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wiki-research-l] Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices)
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Short URLs for Wikimedia Commons files
Hi, On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: I think he means something like youtube has when retrieving the url of a song: exactly. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate? Draft ideas for new features should be proposed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment. Yes, I can. I will use the indicated link. Thanks, Tom -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wikimedia Brasil Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Short URLs for Wikimedia Commons files
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com wrote: Do you mean the usage of the ShortURL extension on Commons like it is used on same indic language Wikipedias? https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/1iu YES! :) -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wikimedia Brasil Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Tools for fighting vandalism
Hi all, is there any paid effort for developing tools (cross-platform) for fighting vandalism on Wikipedias? Is there any tool similar to Huggle that run on Linux? Or are there tools similar Huggle for Linux? Thanks, Tom -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wikimedia Brasil Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Tools for fighting vandalism
Thanks for the tips! On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: The next Huggle version is expected to work on Linux. But it's not there yet. Yes, I've noticed that on [[:en:WP:Huggle]] page. I've checked out the branch of this c# version, but I didn't see any further isntructions for compiling it. I've asked on #huggle at freenode and I was told it is volunteer, so we cannot know how much time it will take. Wouldn't be good to have a tool for people who use a free operating system? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Short URLs for Wikimedia Commons files
Hi, wouldn't be nice? Where to propose it? Tom -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wikimedia Brasil Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II
Usability of CAPTCHAs Or usability issues in CAPTCHA design, Jeff Yan and Ahmad Salah El Ahmad (Newcastle University, UK) http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/jeff.yan/soups08.pdf Pages 3 and 4: Friendly to foreigners? In theory, text-based CAPTCHAs are intuitive to world-wide users and have little localization issues – these were recognised by many researchers (e.g. [5]) as major advantages of text-based CAPTCHAs over other schemes. However, in a small scale test carried out with 20 students in the first author’s class in October 2007, we observed that many foreign students whose mother tongue does not use the Latin alphabet performed much worse than those whose first language is based on Latin alphabet (e.g. native English speakers), when asked to recognise distorted challenges generated by BaffleText [6], an early text-based scheme. The former found it hard to recognise (or even guess) distorted letters in the scheme. [...] The performance difference between foreigners and natives does not appear to be large in the case of reCAPTCHA. However, given the size of population using this service (hundreds of thousands websites serving millions of people at least, for example, popular sites such as Facebook and Twitter are amongst subscribers of this service), this “being friendly to foreigners” issue can be a serious usability concern. Moreover, for schemes whose designers were unaware of this issue, usability problems caused can be even worse. [...] In the conclusion: Contrary to the common belief, text-based CAPTCHAs can be difficult for foreigners. It is worth reading and likely the same for references there in. The first sentence is similar to what I have experience in 3 classes. And people begin to get anxious and usually say If I type wrongly again, I'll give up. I've seen 3 students saying this to me. Even if hypothetically had in an experiment that only 1% of foreigners will face difficulties with CAPTCHA in a foreign language (I bet it's much more from real life experience), how much users this would represent in one of the most accessed sites in the world? Tom -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wikimedia Brasil Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II
2012/7/26 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: Thet don't need to read English. They just need to type the letters they see on the image. Sure, you can have a small advantage if you know what letters could make a valid English word (or if you have the captcha dictionary installed), but a Brazilian which can read wikipedia should have no problems typing the captcha. If that is the case, why don't we change the CAPTCH for random letters? -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wikimedia Brasil Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II
Hi all, how are you? I'd like to know about the possibility of solving an old issue with CAPTCHA for Wikipedias in languages other than English. This bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5309 was created in 2006. There is a discussion here about having CAPTCHA in other languages from February 2012 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/51951/ but it seems there was no conclusion. After working on campus with new editors in Brazil, I've checked this is a real obstacle, since most people here cannot ready English at all. I'd like to know if there are plans to solve this issue - I hope I don't sound rude, maybe this can be a minor issue when we don't see the difficulties people from a different place can face. I think this is important for Wikipedias other than the English one (just read people comments in the bug) and we can be loosing new contributors because of their first impressions. Thanks, Tom -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wikimedia Brasil Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II
2012/7/26 Everton Zanella Alvarenga ezalvare...@wikimedia.org: was created in 2006. There is a discussion here about having CAPTCHA in other languages from February 2012 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/51951/ Sorry, I meant 2011. -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wikimedia Brasil Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
