Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone
The appendix calculations are only an example. Earth stations are not required to follow them for determining interference. IMHO, keyhole calculations coupled with standard interference calculations a la part 101 PCN is a superior methodology. -Matt On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: > BTW the calculations in the R&O appendix have errors. I have a > corrected > version provided to me by the FCC OET. If there is interest I can post > it online and send the link. > > Matt Liotta wrote: >> 150km radius >> >> -Matt >> >> On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >>> Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J >>> >>> >>> >>> Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in >>> the >>> 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: >>> >>> >>> >>> "(a)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, base >>> and >>> fixed stations may not be located within 150 km of any grandfathered >>> satellite earth station operating in the 3650-3700 MHz band. The >>> coordinates >>> of these stations are available at http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650"; >>> >>> >>> >>> My interpretation of that rule would mean that you need to draw a >>> circle of >>> a radius of 150Km from each station, and this is your exclusion >>> zone. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yet many maps on the web show this 150Km requirement as diameter. >>> not as a >>> radius. >>> >>> >>> >>> Our office would be outside of the exclusion zone if it is a >>> diameter >>> requirement, yet inside the exclusion zone if it is a radius >>> requirement. >>> >>> >>> >>> Can anyone point me to something from the FCC that specifies what >>> the >>> requirement is? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel White >>> >>> 3-dB Networks >>> >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone
Thanks for the help guys. Charles I would be interested in it... offlist or onlist is fine for me Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Charles Wyble >Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:28 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone > >BTW the calculations in the R&O appendix have errors. I have a corrected >version provided to me by the FCC OET. If there is interest I can post >it online and send the link. > >Matt Liotta wrote: >> 150km radius >> >> -Matt >> >> On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >>> Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J >>> >>> >>> >>> Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in >the >>> 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: >>> >>> >>> >>> "(a)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, base >>> and >>> fixed stations may not be located within 150 km of any grandfathered >>> satellite earth station operating in the 3650-3700 MHz band. The >>> coordinates >>> of these stations are available at http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650"; >>> >>> >>> >>> My interpretation of that rule would mean that you need to draw a >>> circle of >>> a radius of 150Km from each station, and this is your exclusion zone. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yet many maps on the web show this 150Km requirement as diameter. >>> not as a >>> radius. >>> >>> >>> >>> Our office would be outside of the exclusion zone if it is a diameter >>> requirement, yet inside the exclusion zone if it is a radius >>> requirement. >>> >>> >>> >>> Can anyone point me to something from the FCC that specifies what the >>> requirement is? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel White >>> >>> 3-dB Networks >>> >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - >--- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >--- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> -- >-- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >-- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone
BTW the calculations in the R&O appendix have errors. I have a corrected version provided to me by the FCC OET. If there is interest I can post it online and send the link. Matt Liotta wrote: > 150km radius > > -Matt > > On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > >> Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J >> >> >> >> Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in the >> 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: >> >> >> >> "(a)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, base >> and >> fixed stations may not be located within 150 km of any grandfathered >> satellite earth station operating in the 3650-3700 MHz band. The >> coordinates >> of these stations are available at http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650"; >> >> >> >> My interpretation of that rule would mean that you need to draw a >> circle of >> a radius of 150Km from each station, and this is your exclusion zone. >> >> >> >> Yet many maps on the web show this 150Km requirement as diameter. >> not as a >> radius. >> >> >> >> Our office would be outside of the exclusion zone if it is a diameter >> requirement, yet inside the exclusion zone if it is a radius >> requirement. >> >> >> >> Can anyone point me to something from the FCC that specifies what the >> requirement is? >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> 3-dB Networks >> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone
150km radius -Matt On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J > > > > Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in the > 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: > > > > "(a)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, base > and > fixed stations may not be located within 150 km of any grandfathered > satellite earth station operating in the 3650-3700 MHz band. The > coordinates > of these stations are available at http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650"; > > > > My interpretation of that rule would mean that you need to draw a > circle of > a radius of 150Km from each station, and this is your exclusion zone. > > > > Yet many maps on the web show this 150Km requirement as diameter. > not as a > radius. > > > > Our office would be outside of the exclusion zone if it is a diameter > requirement, yet inside the exclusion zone if it is a radius > requirement. > > > > Can anyone point me to something from the FCC that specifies what the > requirement is? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel White > > 3-dB Networks > > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone
I wonder why all of those maps have it different... For instance: http://zing.naviciti.com/ Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Pat O'Connor >Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:32 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone > >It is being 150km form the grandfathered earth station. I'm going >through the same thing right now getting an agreement from them to >operate WiMax gear. BTW I'm at a 145km distance from them, but the FCC >won't register my base stations without an agreement. > > > >3-dB Networks wrote: >> Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J >> >> >> >> Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in the >> 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: >> >> >> >> "(a)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, base >and >> fixed stations may not be located within 150 km of any grandfathered >> satellite earth station operating in the 3650-3700 MHz band. The >coordinates >> of these stations are available at http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650"; >> >> >> >> My interpretation of that rule would mean that you need to draw a >circle of >> a radius of 150Km from each station, and this is your exclusion zone. >> >> >> >> Yet many maps on the web show this 150Km requirement as diameter. not >as a >> radius. >> >> >> >> Our office would be outside of the exclusion zone if it is a diameter >> requirement, yet inside the exclusion zone if it is a radius >requirement. >> >> >> >> Can anyone point me to something from the FCC that specifies what the >> requirement is? >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> 3-dB Networks >> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >-- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >-- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone
It is being 150km form the grandfathered earth station. I'm going through the same thing right now getting an agreement from them to operate WiMax gear. BTW I'm at a 145km distance from them, but the FCC won't register my base stations without an agreement. 3-dB Networks wrote: > Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J > > > > Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in the > 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: > > > > "(a)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, base and > fixed stations may not be located within 150 km of any grandfathered > satellite earth station operating in the 3650-3700 MHz band. The coordinates > of these stations are available at http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650"; > > > > My interpretation of that rule would mean that you need to draw a circle of > a radius of 150Km from each station, and this is your exclusion zone. > > > > Yet many maps on the web show this 150Km requirement as diameter. not as a > radius. > > > > Our office would be outside of the exclusion zone if it is a diameter > requirement, yet inside the exclusion zone if it is a radius requirement. > > > > Can anyone point me to something from the FCC that specifies what the > requirement is? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel White > > 3-dB Networks > > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3.65GHz Exclusion Zone
Okay I'm banging my head against the wall a bit this morning J Subpart Z of the FCC Part 90 Rules - Wireless Broadband Serices in the 3650-3700 MHz Band - Section 90.1331 states: "(a)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, base and fixed stations may not be located within 150 km of any grandfathered satellite earth station operating in the 3650-3700 MHz band. The coordinates of these stations are available at http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650"; My interpretation of that rule would mean that you need to draw a circle of a radius of 150Km from each station, and this is your exclusion zone. Yet many maps on the web show this 150Km requirement as diameter. not as a radius. Our office would be outside of the exclusion zone if it is a diameter requirement, yet inside the exclusion zone if it is a radius requirement. Can anyone point me to something from the FCC that specifies what the requirement is? Thank you, Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
