Re: [WSG] Screen Resolution for Fluid Layouts

[Mike Brown]

Lea de Groot said:
> Honestly, it doesn't seem to matter how big the screen is. Jo(e) Public
>  surfs at 100%.
> I don't like it, but its true.
>

For the number of years I've been building sites (over 6 years full time)
I'm struggling to remember ever seeing a client or user (as opposed to a
designer or developer) on Windows with anything *other* than their screen
maximised at 100%.
Maybe I just don't get out enough? :)

Mike



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Re: [WSG] Screen Resolution for Fluid Layouts

[Lea de Groot]

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:42:37 +0200, Jan Brasna wrote:
> I still can't get this implication between resolution (2560x1024 in 
> my case) and the size of viewport in browser (max. 900-1000px wide in 
> my case) - see  (screenshot of my 
> desktop) - none of the browser windows there is wider. Can you 
> imagine reading web sites in fullscreen browsers there?

I have a webbug on most of my sites to track browser and window size.
I got a nice sample this month from one of them (I really must get 
around to amalgamating cross site one day) with over 200 page views at 
1280 and greater (ok, 197 at 1280 and 5 between 1344 and 1856, but 
still...)
167 of those views (including the one at 1856) were at 100% (ie > 95% - 
the scrollbar seems to do weird things to the figure...)
Another 35 were >= 74% of the screen.

Honestly, it doesn't seem to matter how big the screen is. Jo(e) Public 
surfs at 100%.
I don't like it, but its true.

warmly,
Lea
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Re: [WSG] Screen Resolution for Fluid Layouts

[Jan Brasna]

and also that no designer in the world that does graphic design is going
to have a 800x600 monitor resolution


I still can't get this implication between resolution (2560x1024 in my 
case) and the size of viewport in browser (max. 900-1000px wide in my 
case) - see  (screenshot of my desktop) 
- none of the browser windows there is wider. Can you imagine reading 
web sites in fullscreen browsers there?


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RE: [WSG] Screen Resolution for Fluid Layouts

[Buddy Quaid]

One thing to consider is your audience. If your site is all about
graphics, chances are that the people going to your site are NOT blind
and also that no designer in the world that does graphic design is going
to have a 800x600 monitor resolution so in this case, it would be
perfectly fine and you probably won't get much guff from people about
it.

A school learning site for kids and schools you might need to make it
work properly for 800x600 as there are schools that don't have the money
to upgrade their monitors or they keep them at low resolutions so the
text is larger for the visually challenged as well. These are all things
to consider.

Buddy

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> 
> Hi Kenny,
> 
> You're right, I made an assumption that because they 
> stretched across the entire viewport in 1024X768 then the 
> authors used fluid layouts, which was a mistake on my part, 
> and next time I'll be sure to check their CSS, but it still 
> makes my ask why they ignored 800X600.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Mario
> 
> 
> >> Therefore I'm very curious as to what the general 
> concensus is from 
> >> my
> > fellow standards advocates when designing sites using 
> liguid layouts?
> >
> > Truely liquid layouts will look fine at any resolution. 
> Your examples 
> > are  not liquid layouts. Your first and last examples use fixed 
> > widths, and the  middle one uses *cringe* tables for layout. If you 
> > must use fixed widths,  you just have to decide what resolution you 
> > want your site to look best in,  and wish luck to the rest. If you 
> > have a liquid layout, the question of "best resolution" 
> doesn't apply. 
> > But I'm sure there will be plenty of  replies to come that 
> give you an 
> > easier answer, such as "800x600 is best".
> 
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Re: [WSG] Site which only works in IE?

[Mary Wright]

The most immediate problem is that the container that wraps around the 
two
floated columns is not showing. This is easily fixed by clearing the 
floated

items.

More here with explanation and some possible solutions:
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/workshop/slide38.cfm

HTH
Russ


overflow: auto did the trick. Many thanks, Russ




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Re: [WSG] Site which only works in IE?

[Bert Doorn]

G'day

I'm working on the first three pages of a new website,  
www.zebragraphics.co.uk/tcs, which seems to only work properly in PC 
IE6 and breaks in  Firefox (PC & Mac) and IE5, Safari and Camino on 
the Mac. I'm used to this being the other way around...


If you're referring to the issue of the panel on the left not 
stretching, try adding this to the style sheet:


#container:after {
   display: block;
   content: " ";
   clear:both;
   height:0;
}

Incidentally, your use of heading elements (particularly the h6) seems a 
little odd.  It's almost as if they were used for presentation.  But 
maybe I'm mistaken..


Regards 
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http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/
Fast-loading, user-friendly websites 



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Re: [WSG] Site which only works in IE?

[russ - maxdesign]

> Can anyone tell me what changes I need to make to please the other
> browsers?

The most immediate problem is that the container that wraps around the two
floated columns is not showing. This is easily fixed by clearing the floated
items.

More here with explanation and some possible solutions:
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/workshop/slide38.cfm

HTH
Russ


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Re: [WSG] Site which only works in IE?

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Mary Wright wrote:

I'm working on the first three pages of a new website,  
www.zebragraphics.co.uk/tcs, which seems to only work properly in PC IE6 
and breaks in  Firefox (PC & Mac) and IE5, Safari and Camino on the Mac. 


Can anyone tell me what changes I need to make to please the other 
browsers?


#container {display: table;}
...looks like a good addition.

regards
Georg
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[WSG] Site which only works in IE?

[Mary Wright]

Good morning,

I'm working on the first three pages of a new website,  
www.zebragraphics.co.uk/tcs, which seems to only work properly in PC 
IE6 and breaks in  Firefox (PC & Mac) and IE5, Safari and Camino on the 
Mac. I'm used to this being the other way around...


There are working links to the 2 other pages, about.html and 
contact.html, the rest are unfinished and not yet uploaded.


I've used 3 stylesheets, first.css which applies to the home page only, 
and main.css and second.css which will cover the rest of the site. 
(These differ only slightly, and will be chosen for each page depending 
on whether the navigation or content has the greater length) They are 
at www.zebragraphics.co.uk/tcs/styles/...


The html and css all validates, except for some errors relating to a 
form on contact.html, (which I'm still working on) but I don't think 
that has any direct bearing here.


Can anyone tell me what changes I need to make to please the other 
browsers?


Many thanks,
Mary



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[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

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[WSG] New W3C article: Changing (X)HTML page encoding to UTF-8

[Richard Ishida]

The W3C GEO Working Group has published the FAQ-based article, which I think 
may be of use to people on this list:

Changing (X)HTML page encoding to UTF-8
http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-changing-encoding
by Richard Ishida, W3C

Aimed at newcomers to internationalization who want to change the encoding of 
their (X)HTML pages, this article provides an answer to the question: How do I 
change the encoding of my (X)HTML pages to UTF-8?




Richard Ishida
W3C

contact info:
http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ 

W3C Internationalization:
http://www.w3.org/International/ 

Publication blog:
http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
 

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Re: [WSG] Screen Resolution for Fluid Layouts

[standards]

Hi Kenny,

You're right, I made an assumption that because they stretched across the 
entire viewport in
1024X768 then the authors used fluid layouts, which was a mistake on my part, 
and next time I'll
be sure to check their CSS, but it still makes my ask why they ignored 800X600.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

Kind regards,
Mario


>> Therefore I'm very curious as to what the general concensus is from my
> fellow standards advocates when designing sites using liguid layouts?
>
> Truely liquid layouts will look fine at any resolution. Your examples are  
> not liquid layouts.
> Your first and last examples use fixed widths, and the  middle one uses 
> *cringe* tables for
> layout. If you must use fixed widths,  you just have to decide what 
> resolution you want your
> site to look best in,  and wish luck to the rest. If you have a liquid 
> layout, the question of
> "best resolution" doesn't apply. But I'm sure there will be plenty of  
> replies to come that give
> you an easier answer, such as "800x600 is best".



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