[WSG] Responsive Design Cost

[Spellacy, Michael]

Folks,

Now that some of us have been doing RWD for a little while, I was just
wondering, on average, how long it takes some of you to code a typical
page. I know there are many variables involved, so let's just focus on
your run of the mill layout. Header, Primary Navigation, Secondary
Navigation, Content, Aside and Footer. No scripting of any kind - just
layout.

If I estimate that it will take me 4 hours to construct a page built on
a fluid grid, I currently add 2 more hours to handle any
responsive/breakpoint needs. 

Kind Regards,
Spell

Michael Spellacy 
Director, User Interface Development
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10004
P: 646.613.2220
F: 646.613.0649
www.tmp.com 
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RE: [WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

[Spellacy, Michael]

At first I was like...whhhaaattt? Then I remembered the date. Thanks,
Russ.

Spell

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On Behalf Of Russ Weakley
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:28 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years... 
but is this the best CSS framework ever?
http://morecss.org/

:)
Russ




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RE: [WSG] Safari: Inline-Block / Center Element Issue

[Spellacy, Michael]

> Your test page is using HTML5, so it's hardly a decade old -- and a
quick run through the W3C Validator will tell you, and I quote,

I copied it from original source to document issue better. DOCTYPE is
irrelevant here. Okay, great. It's a Webkit issue. That is good to know.
Thanks!

> So why you think browsers should "render it correctly" escapes me, as
do the circumstances that could dictate that "you MUST use it".  :-)

Just merely saying that regardless of the tag used here (and I'm not
condoning the use of the  tag at all), that all browsers should
align it identically. Nothing more.

Thanks again for your input!

Regards,
Michael "Spell" Spellacy



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RE: [WSG] Safari: Inline-Block / Center Element Issue

[Spellacy, Michael]

> You find it difficult to avoid using a tag that was deprecated over
> a dozen years ago in HTML4 and doesn't exist at all in HTML5?

> Wow.

Heh. I certainly don't find it difficult nor did I say where it was used
(For all you know the site could be a decade old!). Regardless, all
browsers appear to handle the alignment correctly except for Safari.
Good or bad - they should all render it correctly. Just found it
interesting.

Regards,
Michael "Spell" Spellacy


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[WSG] Safari: Inline-Block / Center Element Issue

[Spellacy, Michael]

Hi Guys,

A collogue of mine came across a weird issue today on Safari regarding
the alignment on inline-block level elements such as input and select
within a ...wait for it... element. We came up with a
work-around (the most obvious being NOT to use the  element
whenever humanly possible), but I just wanted to know if anyone had
anything additional to add here. 

More details here: http://www.spellacy.net/center-inline-block.html


Thanks,
Michael "Spell" Spellacy 



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Re: [WSG] Out of Office

[Spellacy, Michael]

2001? Do you own a time machine? :-)

Regards,
Spell

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RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Spellacy, Michael]

Thanks, Steve! I look forward to hearing from them! Quite right on
manual testing! I do quite a bit of it and couldn't agree more!

Regards,
Spell

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Steve Green
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:04 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

We are currently negotiating with one of the major automated
accessibility tool vendors to resell their tool in the UK. We cannot
sell into the US so I have forwarded your message and they should
contact you. In my opinion their tool is better than WatchFire and
should also be cheaper.

Any tool only tests about 25% of the WCAG checkpoints, whether it's WCAG
1.0 or 2.0, so we would recommend manual testing at various points in
the website's lifecycle, such as when developing new templates and
perhaps an annual audit. We can provide that service if required.

I endorse the other comment regarding the use of Vision Australia's
tools if you have the skills to use them.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael
Sent: 24 June 2011 17:16
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

Hi WSG Friends!

The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test
code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do
any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
good a job?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!

Regards,
Spell 

Michael Spellacy
Lead User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10004
www.tmp.com



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RE: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Spellacy, Michael]

Thanks, Chad. I will look into this. By the way, as a plus, it would be
nice if any future tool we used generated reports as well. Clients just
have to have those reports! Sigh. If what you mentioned does that then
great but if not then that is okay. Getting the testing done is what
really matters.

Regards,
Spell

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Chad Kelly
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

Hi
Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia

visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions.
They have a free toolbar you can download.
I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a 
part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be 
interested in that kind of a service?


On 6/25/2011 2:15 AM, Spellacy, Michael wrote:
> Hi WSG Friends!
>
> The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
> because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to
test
> code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0.
Do
> any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
> good a job?
>
> Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!
>
> Regards,
> Spell
>
> Michael Spellacy
> Lead User Interface Developer
> TMP Worldwide Advertising&  Communications, LLC
> 125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
> New York, NY 10004
> www.tmp.com
>
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[WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Spellacy, Michael]

Hi WSG Friends!

The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test
code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do
any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
good a job?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!

Regards,
Spell 

Michael Spellacy 
Lead User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10004
www.tmp.com



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RE: [WSG] Accessible Modal/Lightbox Code

[Spellacy, Michael]

Thanks for the input on this one, folks!

Spell



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[WSG] Accessible Modal/Lightbox Code

[Spellacy, Michael]

Hi List!

A colleague of mine is looking for accessible modal window code.
Anything good out there? Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Spell


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Re: [WSG] Video Accessibility Help

[Spellacy, Michael]

Every little bit helps, John. These look like good places to start.  
Thank you.


If anybody else has anything to share please keep it coming.

I stumbled upon a site called subply.com which will create caption  
files  (in various flavors) based on the audio track in video. It  
seems like a pretty decent service.


Sent from my iPod

On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:13 PM, "John Unsworth"   
wrote:



Hi Michael,

Your first port of call might be the WCAG2 guidelines, found here;
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#media-equiv

I also did a quick search for "accessible online video best practice"
and this link to a PDF from the US Department of Health and Human
Services exactly on the topic of "Online Viral Video Requirements and
Best Practices" might be useful to you. It is dated Jan 2010 and
covers the departments use of YouTube (and other video providers) and
importantly Section 508 compliance. A good deal of the document
regards brand guidelines as much as technical requirements, but in
that regards questions about dimension and file size and type might be
useful knowledge. This was the PDF link;
www.cdc.gov/socialmedia/Tools/guidelines/pdf/onlinevideo.pdf

Accessibility advocate Joe Clark I recall became very interested in
the question and quality of captioned video.

From my search above this resource of links from the Victorian
Government in Australia might also be useful;
http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/website-practice/online-video-content.html

I'm not that knowledgeable about Flash, but to your questions I recall
seeing a presentation from Adobe regards CS4 and that their Audio
program, whose name escapes me, could extract Caption text and that in
turn that file could be brought into Flash. However I thought it was
an XML file. I also understood that using ActionScript you could
program the import of the XML file, but the last time I used Flash was
at school and it was Flash8 and given the presentation I mentioned it
might be a tool built in??

Of course how this would be handled in HTML5 I'm less clear on:)

Didn't really answer your questions directly, but I hope some of  
this is useful.


Cheers,
John Unsworth



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RE: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

[Spellacy, Michael]

As I mentioned earlier, try checking to see what MIME type the server is
returning the page as. That may be the issue.

Regards,
Michael "Spell" Spellacy
http://www.spellacy.net

@spellacy

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Kevin Erickson
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:35 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

Arrrgh! Thanks for the attempt but it still warns on the MIME type after
the
change suggested. I guess I can move on but can anyone tell me what the
issue is???

Latest code:


http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
  
Virginia.gov Mobile - Home










@import url(../../css/m_index.css);


  
  
  

  
  

Home 
  Mobile Virginia.gov Services:
  
Home
Search
Virginia.gov
  
  People:
  
Citizens
Families
State
Employees
Students
  
  Information:
  
Government
Online
Services
Business
Employment
Education
Tourism and
Travel
  
About Virginia:
  
Facts
and
History
Mapping
Virginia
  


  
mobile.virginia.gov
http://www.virginia.gov";>Virginia.gov Home
http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/web_pol
icy.
html">Site Policies
http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/contact
_us.
html">Contact Virginia.gov
  

  


Thanks!
Kevin

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On
Behalf Of Phil Archer
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:51 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

The Doctype for XHTML Basic 1.1 is:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd";>


HTH

Phil.

Kevin Erickson wrote:
> Question: For the line, 
>  "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>, 
> would I change this to, 
>  "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>, ??
> 
> And change, 
> ,

> to, 
> , ??
> 
> I have not been able to find the answers on the web.
> Thanks.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On
> Behalf Of Phil Archer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> The answer is in your e-mail. You have created a page using a version
of 
> XHTML for which the correct MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml

> or application/xhtml+xml
> 
> but you're sending text/html so there is a mismatch, hence the
warning.
> 
> The recommended markup for  mobile is now XHTML Basic 1.1 for which
the 
> appropriate MIME type is application/xhtml+xml but if you're sending
to 
> a device that doesn't support that (essentially just IE) then you'll 
> need to do as you are doing and use text/html.
> 
> However... this is a warning, not a failure, so you may decide just to

> leave things as they are ;-)
> 
> Presumably you got this warning from the mobi Ready tool? This uses
the 
> same core code as the W3C mobileOK checker 
> http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ (although we've added a lot of extra
UI 
> stuff over the last year or so).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Phil.
> 
> Kevin Erickson wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept
the
>> MIME type.
>>
>> Page code:
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>> > "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
>>
>>   
>>
>> Virginia.gov Mobile - Home
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>  />
>> 

>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> @import url(../../css/m_index.css);
>>
>> 
>>
>> > media="only screen and (max-device-width: 480px)" />
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>>   > height="40" alt="Virginia.gov Mobile Web Services" />
>>
>>   Switch
to
>> Expanded Mobile Pages
>>
>> 
>>
>> Home
>>
>> 
>>
>>   Mobile Virginia.gov Services:
>>
>>   
>>
>> Home
>>
>> Search
> Virginia.gov
>>   
>>
>>   People:
>>
>>   
>>
>> Citizens
>>
>> Families
>>
>> State
>> Employees
>>
>> Students
>>
>>   
>>
>>   Information:
>>
>>   
>>
>>  href="info_government.html">Government
>> Online
>> Services
>>
>> Business
>>
>>  href="info_employment.html">Employment
>> Education
>>
>> Tourism
and
>> Travel
>>
>>   
>>
>> About Virginia:
>>
>>   
>>
>> Facts
and
>> History
>>
>> Mapping
>> Virginia
>>
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>
>> mobile.virginia.gov
>>
>> http://www.virginia.gov";>Virginia.gov
Home
>>
>> 

RE: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

[Spellacy, Michael]

Hi Kevin,

Regardless of what you are declaring in your meta tags, the server will trump 
you here and serve out the page as it is configured to do so (as text/html), in 
which case you'll have to configure the server to serve the page out with 
correct mime type. I don't know what you are using to build your pages, but if 
it happens to be ASP.NET you can declare an override type in the Page directive 
like this:

<%@ Page contenttype="application/xhtml+xml" ... %>

(This will cause page to be rendered as XML in Internet Explorer, but this is a 
mobile site so don't worry about it.)

If you can't configure the server, I probably wouldn't fret over that much 
either as your page should still render fine on most devices out there.

Regards,
Michael "Spell" Spellacy
http://www.spellacy.net

@spellacy

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Erickson
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:32 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

Hello All,
If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept the MIME 
type.
Page code:


http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
  
    Virginia.gov Mobile - Home
    
    
    
    
    
      
        
    
    
    @import url(../../css/m_index.css);
    
    
  
  
  
    
  
  Switch to 
Expanded Mobile Pages
    
    Home

  Mobile Virginia.gov Services:
  
    Home
    Search Virginia.gov
  
  People:
  
    Citizens
    Families
    State 
Employees
    Students
  
  Information:
  
    Government
    Online 
Services
    Business
    Employment
    Education
    Tourism and 
Travel
  
About Virginia:
  
    Facts and 
History
    Mapping 
Virginia
  
    
    
  
    mobile.virginia.gov
    http://www.virginia.gov";>Virginia.gov Home
    http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/web_policy.html";>Site
 Policies
    http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/contact_us.html";>Contact
 Virginia.gov
  
    
  


To test the page I used http://ready.mobi/launch.jsp?locale=en_EN and the error 
says:

Incorrect or missing MIME types were detected
The MIME types sent by servers give very important information to browsers as 
to how to treat a document. If incorrect MIME types are sent with a document, 
it may prevent the browser from correctly interpreting the document and failing 
to render a document. 
For XHTML-MP, the recommended MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml or 
application/xhtml+xml. Unlike HTML, XHTML-MP should not be served as text/html.
Web servers are often set up correctly for common document types such as HTML 
and CSS, but often do not have the correct doc types for XHTML-MP. Please refer 
to mobiForge for instructions on how to set up your MIME types correctly.
 WARN
MIME type was detected as text/html

I would send a link to the page but it is on a secure server.
Thank you very much for any help on this,

Kevin



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[WSG] Video Accessibility Help

[Spellacy, Michael]

Hi List,

I was just wondering what some of the best practices were these days for
creating accessible video on the web. A few questions:

1) I know some Flash players can pull in captions, but which ones to
use? 
2) Are there any services out there that will scan your audio track and
create a captioned file for you (.srt, etc.) to feed into your player?
3) If you do succeed in creating captioned video do you also have to
create a transcript of the video for those users who may not have Flash
installed (or may not be able to access Flash using JAWS)?
4) Would providing just a transcript of the video, be all that is needed
to meet basic accessibility requirements?

Thanks in advance! I love this list!

Regards,
Michael "Spell" Spellacy
http://www.spellacy.net

@spellacy


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RE: [WSG] Help with mobile MIME type always fails test

[Spellacy, Michael]

Funny this should come up as I felt like being fussy a couple of weeks
ago. If you happen to be building a site with dotNet (.NET) 2008 you can
override the server MIME type inline by adding the following to the
@Page directive:

contenttype="application/xhtml+xml"

This comes in handy if you have a mobile site living in the same
directory as your regular site.

I know this may not help you, Kevin, but maybe it will help
someone...someday. :-)

Michael "Spell" Spellacy
http://www.spellacy.net
@spellacy

> I am hoping someone can help me with a MIME for mobile sites problem I
am having.



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[WSG] SEO vs. Accessibility

[Spellacy, Michael]

Hello list! I have a quick question for any accessibility and SEO mavens
out there. It was recently brought to my attention that a few elements I
have placed on a site that have text indented px to the left for
accessibility might be viewed as a form of cloaking by some search
engines. Is my colleague correct in this assessment? If so, is there a
middle ground that can be met to make search engines and visually
impaired folks happy?

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Spell


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RE: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict

[Spellacy, Michael]

I've built a couple XHTML 1.0 strict sites via .NET. Let me know how this goes 
for ya:

http://careers.deloitte.com/sbf/default.aspx

Regards,
Spell






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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of silky
Sent: Tue 10/7/2008 11:25 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
 
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Anthony Milner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they
> challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict
> compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done.
>
> Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even
> transitional)?

what does it matter what the server code is? obviously the generated
content can still be whatever you like. seems like a fairly stupid
quest, imho.


> Thanks,
> Anthony

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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Spellacy, Michael]

Heh. Looks like somebody at Google is a big fan of "Understanding Comics
By Scott McCloud". This is nice though.

Regards,
Spell

Michael Spellacy
Senior User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
205 Hudson Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY 10013

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On Behalf Of Conyers, Dwayne
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:23 AM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

There is an interesting and very humorous comic that describes Chrome:



http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA19,
M1



I like the multi-threading.





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RE: [WSG] books

[Spellacy, Michael]

DOM Scripting: Web Design with JavaScript and the Document Object Model
by Jeremy Keith
 
Bulletproof Ajax (also by Keith) was good as well.
 
Regards,
Spell
 
Michael Spellacy
Senior User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
www.tmp.com 
 
 



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Aye! A case of my own head not thinking... ;)

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] books

you mean "Dont make ME think", right? ;-) 

you made me think about it...

;-)

On Feb 19 2008, at 07:29, Thomas Thomassen wrote:


"Don't make the think -- A Common Sence Approach to Web
Usability" by Steve Krug


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