RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
I'm pretty new to this area of web development, and I'm finding it immensely interesting. Thank you everyone for giving me the tools which I know are going to make my sites better (once I get to grips with all the terminology that is new to me). I looked at the sprintpcs site mentioned by Russ, and I'm puzzled about one thing. There are a number of relative links in the head section. What do these links do? Why have links in the head section? Here's what's in the head of www.sprintpcs.com: [quote] <.!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> <.html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en"> <.head> <.title>Sprint - Welcome<./title> <.meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /> <.script src="scripts/common.js" type="text/javascript"> <.link rel="start" href="http://www.sprintpcs.com/"; title="PCS home page" /> <.link rel="section" href="https://manage1.sprintpcs.com/Manage"; title="Manage your PCS Account" /> <.link rel="section" href="http://www1.sprintpcs.com/"; title="Explore phones and accessories" /> <.link rel="section" href="http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness"; title="Services for your business" /> <.link rel="help" href="http://www1.sprintpcs.com/support/HelpCenter.jsp"; title="Help Center" /> <.link rel="stylesheet" href="http://style.sprintpcs.com/common.css"; type="text/css" media="all" /> <.style type="text/css" title="homepage".> @import "styles/homepage.css"; <./style> <./head> [/quote] Why? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: russ weakley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] A few interesting articles... [snip] 2. Another new XHTML/CSS site goes live (links below have info about the site and process): http://www.sprintpcs.com/ http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popups/popMakingWirelessEasierDetails.html http://www.point-break.com/index.php#11162003 [/snip] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
Hi Michael, Welcome to the group! http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html#h-12.3.3 http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/styles.html#style-external http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/styles.html#specifying-external http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/types.html#type-media-descriptors There are many more link options. Full explanations here: http://www.seoconsultants.com/meta-tags/link-relationship.htm More about how these assist alternate browsers: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/06/20/day_9_providing_additional_navig ation_aids Thanks Russ > > I'm pretty new to this area of web development, and I'm finding it immensely > interesting. Thank you everyone for giving me the tools which I know are > going to make my sites better (once I get to grips with all the terminology > that is new to me). > > I looked at the sprintpcs site mentioned by Russ, and I'm puzzled about one > thing. There are a number of relative links in the head section. What do > these links do? Why have links in the head section? Here's what's in the > head of www.sprintpcs.com: > > [quote] > <.!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> > > <.html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en"> > <.head> > <.title>Sprint - Welcome<./title> > <.meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; > charset=iso-8859-1" /> > <.script src="scripts/common.js" type="text/javascript"> > <.link rel="start" href="http://www.sprintpcs.com/"; title="PCS home > page" /> > <.link rel="section" href="https://manage1.sprintpcs.com/Manage"; > title="Manage your PCS Account" /> > <.link rel="section" href="http://www1.sprintpcs.com/"; > title="Explore phones and accessories" /> > <.link rel="section" href="http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness"; > title="Services for your business" /> > <.link rel="help" > href="http://www1.sprintpcs.com/support/HelpCenter.jsp"; title="Help Center" > /> > <.link rel="stylesheet" href="http://style.sprintpcs.com/common.css"; > type="text/css" media="all" /> > <.style type="text/css" title="homepage".> > @import "styles/homepage.css"; > <./style> > <./head> > [/quote] > > Why? > > > > Cheers, > Michael Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > AFP Webworks. > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
Hey Mike If you grab a copy of opera it actually does some good stuff with these tags - you get a "site navigation" bar under the location bar with words like "home", "help", "index", "search", etc... I guess if there was better browser support you'd find a lot more people going for this sort of stuff. Why not just put a "home" on the page... well at the moment you have to again because of browser support. But if all browsers implemented this in a consistent fashion I think the benefit to users would be huge. Pretty much all apps that run on windows have a set of menus at the top - file, edit, view, tools, window, help, etc.. the ordering is very consistent that so are the options (you always know file will have things like new, open, save and exit). If this could be carried over to the web I think it would help users work out a fair bit. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
Thanks for your nice welcome Russ. I'm not a total novice to CSS, but I've only dabbled up till now (my most ambitious CSS project is http://bluegrass.org.au which I do as a probono site, and which serves as something of a test bed for me to learn on) Please forgive me if I'm asking dumbo questions, but this 'collection of documents' is presumably a set of urls that relate to something similar. But why include it in the header of this document? Is it just to send search engine spiders off looking for them or is there another reason? I've never seen collections of documents used before, and I'm interested in how it might work for me. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: russ weakley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 7:53 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] A few interesting articles... Hi Michael, Welcome to the group! http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html#h-12.3.3 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
tags - you get a "site navigation" bar under the location bar with words like "home", "help", "index", "search", etc... In iCab too, IIRC ;) /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
Hey Mike This is aimed at all levels of developer - to some degree its an advocacy list - we're trying to get people to use this stuff so helping is part of the deal. Another thing we have been doing from time to time on the list is reviewing sites and provide (positive) feedback. If want, post up some links & we can review them for you (bluegrass.org.au isn't working for me though). Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
Mark, when you say my Bluegrass Australia site "isn't working for me", do you mean it's dead? Or that it is working but with errors? It it's working but with errors, I'm not surprised, it's a learning project for me. It's the first site I've built using the techniques talked about in this list, and therefore many new concepts for me. A lot of the CSS I've already seen is kludgy and cumbersome, because I cut and pasted a lot of it to get started. In a couple of weeks I'll redo the style sheet from scratch, now I know more about it. However if the site's dead entirely, I'm not sure what to do because it's working for me. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Mark Stanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles... Hey Mike This is aimed at all levels of developer - to some degree its an advocacy list - we're trying to get people to use this stuff so helping is part of the deal. Another thing we have been doing from time to time on the list is reviewing sites and provide (positive) feedback. If want, post up some links & we can review them for you (bluegrass.org.au isn't working for me though). Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
> Mark, when you say my Bluegrass Australia site "isn't working for me", do > you mean it's dead? Or that it is working but with errors? C:\>ping www.bluegrass.org.au Unknown host www.bluegrass.org.au. C:\>ping bluegrass.org.au Unknown host bluegrass.org.au. Can't get to the domain. I know there have been some big issues with connectivity over the past few days. Quick poll - can anyone else get to it? Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
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Mark, Mike, Seems fine from Daemon HQ. Cheers, Ben C:\>ping bluegrass.org.au Pinging bluegrass.org.au [64.191.62.205] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 64.191.62.205: bytes=32 time=360ms TTL=107 Reply from 64.191.62.205: bytes=32 time=471ms TTL=107 Reply from 64.191.62.205: bytes=32 time=360ms TTL=107 Reply from 64.191.62.205: bytes=32 time=351ms TTL=107 Ping statistics for 64.191.62.205: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 351ms, Maximum = 471ms, Average = 385ms Mark Stanton wrote: Mark, when you say my Bluegrass Australia site "isn't working for me", do you mean it's dead? Or that it is working but with errors? C:\>ping www.bluegrass.org.au Unknown host www.bluegrass.org.au. C:\>ping bluegrass.org.au Unknown host bluegrass.org.au. Can't get to the domain. I know there have been some big issues with connectivity over the past few days. Quick poll - can anyone else get to it? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] A few interesting articles...
I can get reverse DNS for that domain, but ping of the domain fails everytime and a traceroute stops in LAX about ten steps before the domain. I can get the site up in a browser, though. Cheers James Mark Stanton wrote: Mark, when you say my Bluegrass Australia site "isn't working for me", do you mean it's dead? Or that it is working but with errors? C:\>ping www.bluegrass.org.au Unknown host www.bluegrass.org.au. C:\>ping bluegrass.org.au Unknown host bluegrass.org.au. Can't get to the domain. I know there have been some big issues with connectivity over the past few days. Quick poll - can anyone else get to it? Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
