Re: FWD: RE: [XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer

2003-07-11 Thread David Dawes
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 10:41:21AM -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>Peter \"Firefly\" Lund wrote:
>> The request for a screen shot operation that leaves the mouse pointer in
>> the image has come up several times on the XFree86 mailing lists (please
>> google for it).  AFAIR the discussions can be summed up as:  no, you can't
>> currently do it with a vanilla XFree86, yes, some X servers have an
>> extension to do, yes XFree86 could also conceivably get such an extension,
>> no, nobody has written one yet, yes, there are in principle other
>> solutions but they are hacks too -- and anyway, you have the source code,
>> you can do whatever you like.
>
>Actually someone has written one and it's in the XFree86 CVS tree, if you
>look in the "attic" directories and CVS history files for the remains of
>Keith Packard's rejected X-Fixes extension.

I've had a couple of people from Sun ask me privately about how some
(or all) of that functionality can make it into the next XFree86 release.
The standard answer is that the first step is for those advocating it
to write up a proposal submit it to public review.  Getting this type
of stuff in through the back door via a tame committer is not the right
way to do it.

For all the interest Sun has shown in this, I haven't seen any such
proposal yet.  I was surprised that Sun didn't do it through X.Org,
since that's surely the appropriate way for a major X.Org member to
handle extensions that are intended to have status close to that of the
core protocol.  Maybe the review process there was the sticking point?
Or maybe now you're waiting for X Consortium / X.Org v3.0 (or whatever
it's being dubbed) to come into existence?

The whole thing doesn't make much sense to me...

David
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Re: FWD: RE: [XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer

2003-07-11 Thread Peter \"Firefly\" Lund
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

> Actually someone has written one and it's in the XFree86 CVS tree, if you

Wonderful! :)

> look in the "attic" directories and CVS history files for the remains of
> Keith Packard's rejected X-Fixes extension.

It was merely puzzled for some months why it was rejected.  Now I'm
bewildered.

Thank you, Alan :)

-Peter

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  and your attention span."
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Re: FWD: RE: [XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer

2003-07-11 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Peter \"Firefly\" Lund wrote:
The request for a screen shot operation that leaves the mouse pointer in
the image has come up several times on the XFree86 mailing lists (please
google for it).  AFAIR the discussions can be summed up as:  no, you can't
currently do it with a vanilla XFree86, yes, some X servers have an
extension to do, yes XFree86 could also conceivably get such an extension,
no, nobody has written one yet, yes, there are in principle other
solutions but they are hacks too -- and anyway, you have the source code,
you can do whatever you like.
Actually someone has written one and it's in the XFree86 CVS tree, if you
look in the "attic" directories and CVS history files for the remains of
Keith Packard's rejected X-Fixes extension.
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Re: FWD: RE: [XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer

2003-07-11 Thread Peter \"Firefly\" Lund
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, james amen atayi wrote:

> the same job. Camtasia for example records on windows the screen. I can
> allready do it using xwd or other tools to make the screenshots. The problem
> is that with these tools the mousepointer disappears when

Why on Earth didn't you say so at first instead of wasting everybody's
time?

It seemed you only knew how to make manual screenshots!

The request for a screen shot operation that leaves the mouse pointer in
the image has come up several times on the XFree86 mailing lists (please
google for it).  AFAIR the discussions can be summed up as:  no, you can't
currently do it with a vanilla XFree86, yes, some X servers have an
extension to do, yes XFree86 could also conceivably get such an extension,
no, nobody has written one yet, yes, there are in principle other
solutions but they are hacks too -- and anyway, you have the source code,
you can do whatever you like.

Please google now.

-Peter
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RE: FWD: RE: [XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer

2003-07-11 Thread Oli Comber
There doesn't seem to be any info out there on the output format of an FB 
dump,  apart from people saving the files with a .raw extension.  Maybe do 
this and try it in gimp?

Came across this, may be of use: http://www.sfires.net/fbshot/

-Oli

>= Original Message From james amen atayi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>Am Freitag, 11. Juli 2003 14:16 schrieben Sie:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>well,
>
>The thing is that I know it must be possible to do it. Commercial products do
>the same job. Camtasia for example records on windows the screen. I can
>allready do it using xwd or other tools to make the screenshots. The problem
>is that with these tools the mousepointer disappears when
>a screenshot is made. The user can no more work properly. So I'm thinking in
>the way to do it as the VESA driver refresh the screen.Just send the
>framebuffer output, in this case  not to the display but into a file with a
>very simple command like  . I want to use
>for this example the VESA framebuffer that is fb0. (path /dev/fb0). But it is
>not working properly.
>The file I create is very big a can't be displayed.
>
>here how I'm processing.
>
>[begin of code]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cp /dev/fb0 t1
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dir t1
>-rw-r-1 userusers33554432 2003-07-11 14:35 t1
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> display t1
>display: Incorrect image header in file (t1).
>[end of code]
>
>Any idea or comment?
>
>
>thanks
>
>
>James
>
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Re: FWD: RE: [XFree86] read directly from the video card framebuffer

2003-07-11 Thread james amen atayi
Am Freitag, 11. Juli 2003 14:16 schrieben Sie:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
well,

The thing is that I know it must be possible to do it. Commercial products do 
the same job. Camtasia for example records on windows the screen. I can 
allready do it using xwd or other tools to make the screenshots. The problem 
is that with these tools the mousepointer disappears when
a screenshot is made. The user can no more work properly. So I'm thinking in 
the way to do it as the VESA driver refresh the screen.Just send the 
framebuffer output, in this case  not to the display but into a file with a 
very simple command like  . I want to use
for this example the VESA framebuffer that is fb0. (path /dev/fb0). But it is 
not working properly.
The file I create is very big a can't be displayed.

here how I'm processing.

[begin of code]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cp /dev/fb0 t1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dir t1
-rw-r-1 userusers33554432 2003-07-11 14:35 t1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> display t1
display: Incorrect image header in file (t1).
[end of code]

Any idea or comment?


thanks


James

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