Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[TjL]

On 12/22/07, Jan Pieter Kunst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2007/12/22, TjL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > A LAN sync for Yojimbo would make this a very merry Christmas...
>
> Just read on the Mark/Space site that a Leopard-compatible update for
> SyncTogether is forthcoming:
>
> https://www.markspace.com/leopard.html
>
> Note: LAN syncing with SyncTogether is not without its problems
> either, but my impression is that it is more reliable than .Mac
> syncing.

It would be hard to be less reliable than .Mac in my experience.

I'm giving serious thought to manually merging the database once and
then just setting up an email-to-Yojimbo that will work on my iMac and
send stuff from the other computers to it.

TjL

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Jan Pieter Kunst]

2007/12/22, TjL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> A LAN sync for Yojimbo would make this a very merry Christmas...

Just read on the Mark/Space site that a Leopard-compatible update for
SyncTogether is forthcoming:

https://www.markspace.com/leopard.html

Note: LAN syncing with SyncTogether is not without its problems
either, but my impression is that it is more reliable than .Mac
syncing.

JP

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[TjL]

On 12/21/07, Rob Pluta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Agreed that it's not a Yojimbo issue per se. The issue is a Sync
> Services issue and Apple needs to get this right. Wait, let me call
> Steve now:-)
>
> You think you have problems with .mac? Try syncing a BlackBerry...

Yes, I tried syncing a Palm for a long time and it never worked right.

The difference here is that the Yojimbo is freakin' huge.  Trying to
sync that and having it fail is slow & painful.

Maybe 10.5.2 will do what that last dozen updates have failed to do
and make dot-Mac/sync services work better.

A LAN sync for Yojimbo would make this a very merry Christmas...

TjL

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Rob Pluta]

Agreed that it's not a Yojimbo issue per se. The issue is a Sync  
Services issue and Apple needs to get this right. Wait, let me call  
Steve now:-)


You think you have problems with .mac? Try syncing a BlackBerry...

IMHO,
Rob

On Dec 20, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

I'm not sure that it's Yojimbo that is at fault, there have been  
some problems with .Mac syncing in general


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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Jan Pieter Kunst]

2007/12/20, Andrew Janjigian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Well, I backed up the library, and tried this method, and it didn't
> work. I was able to get my libraries to match up, but they would still
> not sync. I added test items to each library to see if they would
> populate to the others, and they did not.

Perhaps I should add that my environment was somewhat different: two
machines, both running Tiger, and syncing using SyncTogether and not
.Mac.

With this setup, I do have to repeat a Sync command every now and then
to make the changes show up. My (unscientific) impression is that
SyncTogether is somewhat better at syncing Yojimbo items than .Mac is.
Unfortunately it doesn't work with Leopard and there is no update in
sight yet.

JP

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Andrew Janjigian]

I am glad (sorry to say) to hear that I am not the only one out there
with these issues.

I have had numerous sync problems since the 1.5 upgrade, as I said
earlier. I was however able to clear up the problems I was having with
all dotmac apps OTHER than Yojimbo by following the method described
here (for Leopard users):

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306484

This was the suggested solution to my YJ problems from BB Support, but
it did nothing at all in that case. I have applied it repeatedly
without effect.

For all other apps, I suggest disabling syncing for YJ and leaving it
be while you get the other apps syncing as desired.

This article MAY help with those using Tiger, though it is a lot less
straighforward:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306122

Andrew



On Dec 20, 2007 9:35 AM, Johan™Strandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2007 6:26 AM, Robert Sweet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [...]
> > You're not alone, but I have no advice. Leopard kinda sucks.
>
> Nice to know it isn't just me... sort of.
>
> I haven't upgraded to Leopard yet, so I'm quite sure this is all due
> to Yojimbo 1.5, although I guess there could be interactions with the
> recent "security" patches pushed by apple to the 1.4.x users.
>
> None of this makes me happy. [sigh]
>
> I wish Barebones would issue some statement as to where things stand.
> Currently the FAQ at
> http://faq.barebones.com/do_getanswer.php?record_id=138 still reads in
> part:
>
>  Please start by taking the following steps.
>   1. Update to Mac OS X 10.4.9 (if you haven't
> already) by downloading and installing the combo update.
>   2. Make sure the latest version of Yojimbo
> (currently 1.4.2) is installed on all your Macs.
>
> so as we all can see, this hasn't been updated recently.
>
> --j
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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Patrick Woolsey]

"JohanStrandberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez:

>> Finally, please bear in mind that as always, the plural of "anecdote" is
>> not "data". :-)
>
>Well. There is nothing anecdotal about what I have written above. I am
>strictly writing about my personal first hand experiences. Frankly,
>they suck enough as they are without knowing that others might have
>similar experiences.
>
>I will do what it takes to provide you with additional hard data, but
>I do not appreciate being dismissed as just passing along "anecdotes"
>about my problems.
>

My observation was not directed at any particular individual situation,
and I regret if you took it as such.

Rather, I mean that as a reminder that although specific problems may & do
arise from various sources, their existence does not automatically
imply there is a general issue.

Or, to put it more concretely, even if I got a flat tire this morning,
that doesn't mean everyone else driving in to work is likely to. :-)


Regards,

 Patrick Woolsey
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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Sebastian Stark]

On 20.12.2007, at 15:03, Jan Erik Moström wrote:


Johan Strandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07-12-20 05.58


At this point I can no longer recommend Yojimbo (previously my
favorite application) and I strongly urge anybody who has not yet
upgraded to 1.5 to hold off upgrading until the problems have been
solved.


I'm not sure that it's Yojimbo that is at fault, there have been  
some problems with .Mac syncing in general (personally I have a  
number of sync conflicts in some of the apps, I don't which ones, I  
sync but when I try to get it resolved there is nothing to be  
resolved ... ).


Since I upgraded both of my computers to Leopard, everytime I sync ALL  
my keychain items will be synced. Back and forth, back and forth... It  
works, but I have to confirm the "25%" dialog all the time. .Mac  
certainly has issues.


Yojimbo items synced fine all the time.


Sebastian
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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Jan Erik Moström]

Johan Strandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07-12-20 05.58


At this point I can no longer recommend Yojimbo (previously my
favorite application) and I strongly urge anybody who has not yet
upgraded to 1.5 to hold off upgrading until the problems have been
solved.


I'm not sure that it's Yojimbo that is at fault, there have been 
some problems with .Mac syncing in general (personally I have a 
number of sync conflicts in some of the apps, I don't which 
ones, I sync but when I try to get it resolved there is nothing 
to be resolved ... ).


jem
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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Johan™Strandberg]

> Finally, please bear in mind that as always, the plural of "anecdote" is
> not "data". :-)

Well. There is nothing anecdotal about what I have written above. I am
strictly writing about my personal first hand experiences. Frankly,
they suck enough as they are without knowing that others might have
similar experiences.

I will do what it takes to provide you with additional hard data, but
I do not appreciate being dismissed as just passing along "anecdotes"
about my problems.

--j

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Patrick Woolsey]

"JohanStrandberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez:

>I wish Barebones would issue some statement as to where things stand.
>Currently the FAQ at
>http://faq.barebones.com/do_getanswer.php?record_id=138 still reads in
>part:
>
> Please start by taking the following steps.
>  1. Update to Mac OS X 10.4.9 (if you haven't
>already) by downloading and installing the combo update.
>  2. Make sure the latest version of Yojimbo
>(currently 1.4.2) is installed on all your Macs.
>
>so as we all can see, this hasn't been updated recently.


Just substitute "latest system update" for "10.4.9" and "Yojimbo 1.5" for
"Yojimbo 1.4.2". :-)


Regards,

 Patrick Woolsey
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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Johan™Strandberg]

Thank you for your reply.

I have already submitted crash logs for both Yojimbo and
dotmacsyncclient as well as a detailed report of my system
configuration. Pleas feel free to contact me if you have specific
things you want me to try and I will do the best I can and provide
relevant logs and configurations.

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Patrick Woolsey]

Although specific sync problems may still occur, we are not currently aware
of any general syncing issues related to either Yojimbo 1.5 *or* to Leopard.

If you've already contacted us, thanks and we appreciate your patience.

If you are having syncing trouble and have not contacted us, please do; we
can't help unless we're aware it's needed. :-)

Finally, please bear in mind that as always, the plural of "anecdote" is
not "data". :-)


Regards,

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Johan™Strandberg]

On Dec 20, 2007 6:26 AM, Robert Sweet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> You're not alone, but I have no advice. Leopard kinda sucks.

Nice to know it isn't just me... sort of.

I haven't upgraded to Leopard yet, so I'm quite sure this is all due
to Yojimbo 1.5, although I guess there could be interactions with the
recent "security" patches pushed by apple to the 1.4.x users.

None of this makes me happy. [sigh]

I wish Barebones would issue some statement as to where things stand.
Currently the FAQ at
http://faq.barebones.com/do_getanswer.php?record_id=138 still reads in
part:

 Please start by taking the following steps.
  1. Update to Mac OS X 10.4.9 (if you haven't
already) by downloading and installing the combo update.
  2. Make sure the latest version of Yojimbo
(currently 1.4.2) is installed on all your Macs.

so as we all can see, this hasn't been updated recently.

--j

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Robert Sweet]

This has been happening to me as well. I have a MacBook Pro and a Power Mac
G5, both running Leopard and synced via .Mac. Neither Yojimbo nor my
Transmit favorites seem to sync now. I've given up trying. Maybe something
will be fixed when Mac OS X 10.5.2 comes out or something. Until then, I
have given up trying to sync, and that was one of the greatest things about
Yojimbo.
You're not alone, but I have no advice. Leopard kinda sucks.



On Dec 20, 2007 7:37 AM, Andrew Janjigian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, I backed up the library, and tried this method, and it didn't
> work. I was able to get my libraries to match up, but they would still
> not sync. I added test items to each library to see if they would
> populate to the others, and they did not.
>
> I even just tried creating a new user on my laptop and syncing it to
> dotmac. Presumably that would work just as if it was another machine
> that had never had YJ installed, and there should be no conflicts or
> issues. But still nothing was added to the empty library on syncing.
>
> The odd thing about this is whenever I try to sync anew (whether by
> resetting sync services or creating a new user), I get all kinds of
> >50% warnings and conflicting data dialogue boxes, even with "new"
> libraries. I don't know how there can be conflicting data between an
> empty library and the dotmac one, but there it is.
>
> Still no word from BB. I sent sync logs to them two days ago, without
> response.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007 4:50 PM, Jan Pieter Kunst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2007/12/19, Andrew Janjigian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > JP -
> > >
> > > I have considered this option, but I worried that somehow the copied
> > > library would make things worse; if the syncing mechanism saw the
> > > items in the copied library as "new", it would then duplicate them
> > > across the machines. I could end up with as many copies of each item
> > > as I have machines. But you say that it worked for you, so maybe I
> > > should give it a try. At this point, however, while I await an
> > > official response, I'm just interested in hearing thoughts of people
> > > on the list.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Andrew
> >
> > Well, whatever you do, be sure to keep a backup copy of your good
> > library somewhere safe.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Jan Pieter
>

Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Johan™Strandberg]

I too have had no end of sync problems since I upgraded to Yojimbo 1.5

I have tried resetting various sync options, etc. etc.. In my case
dotmacsyncclient and/or Yojimbo crashes every time a sync is
attempted, normally after a long time running and whilst consuming
considerable system resources making it near impossible to work on the
machine while it goes on. (And no, leaving it alone doesn't help. It
still crashes.) I have even tried to start it is SHIFT-held-down mode
to avoid interference from some random plugin or application, but no
joy.

I'm getting desperate. Do I have to roll back to pre-1.5 and lose data
entered since then? Would that even help, or is the .Mac sync registry
terminally munged by the repeated failures?

I turned off every synced application but Contacts to see if I could
get something that simple to work, but even it has problems now and
takes 35 to 45 minutes to attempt to sync some 50 contacts, so I
suspect the .Mac sync registry is permanently damaged, and I have no
clue as to how to reset it.

At this point I can no longer recommend Yojimbo (previously my
favorite application) and I strongly urge anybody who has not yet
upgraded to 1.5 to hold off upgrading until the problems have been
solved.

So far I have wasted 15+ hours trying to get this to work, and the
time Yojimbo has saved me over the month is rapidly being neutralized.
What is worse, I don't dare enter new data into the database since I
suspect I have to do a rollback unless this is resolved ASAP.


--j


PS   Yes, I have submitted crash logs and machine configurations to barebones.

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Andrew Janjigian]

Well, I backed up the library, and tried this method, and it didn't
work. I was able to get my libraries to match up, but they would still
not sync. I added test items to each library to see if they would
populate to the others, and they did not.

I even just tried creating a new user on my laptop and syncing it to
dotmac. Presumably that would work just as if it was another machine
that had never had YJ installed, and there should be no conflicts or
issues. But still nothing was added to the empty library on syncing.

The odd thing about this is whenever I try to sync anew (whether by
resetting sync services or creating a new user), I get all kinds of
>50% warnings and conflicting data dialogue boxes, even with "new"
libraries. I don't know how there can be conflicting data between an
empty library and the dotmac one, but there it is.

Still no word from BB. I sent sync logs to them two days ago, without response.

Andrew


On Dec 19, 2007 4:50 PM, Jan Pieter Kunst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2007/12/19, Andrew Janjigian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > JP -
> >
> > I have considered this option, but I worried that somehow the copied
> > library would make things worse; if the syncing mechanism saw the
> > items in the copied library as "new", it would then duplicate them
> > across the machines. I could end up with as many copies of each item
> > as I have machines. But you say that it worked for you, so maybe I
> > should give it a try. At this point, however, while I await an
> > official response, I'm just interested in hearing thoughts of people
> > on the list.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Andrew
>
> Well, whatever you do, be sure to keep a backup copy of your good
> library somewhere safe.
>
> Good luck,
> Jan Pieter
>
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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Jan Pieter Kunst]

2007/12/19, Andrew Janjigian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> JP -
>
> I have considered this option, but I worried that somehow the copied
> library would make things worse; if the syncing mechanism saw the
> items in the copied library as "new", it would then duplicate them
> across the machines. I could end up with as many copies of each item
> as I have machines. But you say that it worked for you, so maybe I
> should give it a try. At this point, however, while I await an
> official response, I'm just interested in hearing thoughts of people
> on the list.
>
> Thanks
> Andrew

Well, whatever you do, be sure to keep a backup copy of your good
library somewhere safe.

Good luck,
Jan Pieter

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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Andrew Janjigian]

JP -

I have considered this option, but I worried that somehow the copied
library would make things worse; if the syncing mechanism saw the
items in the copied library as "new", it would then duplicate them
across the machines. I could end up with as many copies of each item
as I have machines. But you say that it worked for you, so maybe I
should give it a try. At this point, however, while I await an
official response, I'm just interested in hearing thoughts of people
on the list.

Thanks
Andrew

On Dec 19, 2007 4:33 PM, Jan Pieter Kunst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2007/12/19, Andrew Janjigian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Does anyone here have any suggestions on how to proceed?
>
> I very much doubt that I can give better advice than the Barebones
> staff. However, if I were in your shoes, I would not try to fill the
> empty libraries by syncing them. I would copy the 'good' library
> manually to the machines that need them, reset any syncing business,
> and start over with a clean slate. It's what I did before I started
> syncing between my desktop and laptop.
>
> JP
>
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Re: Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Jan Pieter Kunst]

2007/12/19, Andrew Janjigian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Does anyone here have any suggestions on how to proceed?

I very much doubt that I can give better advice than the Barebones
staff. However, if I were in your shoes, I would not try to fill the
empty libraries by syncing them. I would copy the 'good' library
manually to the machines that need them, reset any syncing business,
and start over with a clean slate. It's what I did before I started
syncing between my desktop and laptop.

JP

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Scrapping Synced libraries and starting over?

[Andrew Janjigian]

Apologies in advance for the length of this email, but my story cannot
be told in brief.

Ever since the 1.5 upgrade, my synced YJ libraries have been a
trainwreck, and as of yet, I have had no luck getting BB support to
give me a useful answer on how to fix it. No offense to them intended,
and they may well be working on the solution as I write this, but I
thought posting to the list may help. I have been unsynced for going
on a week now, and completely frustrated.

Here is the situation. I have 5 machines that sync over dotmac, 3 of
which sync a YJ db: a BlackBook running Leopard, a G5 running Leopard,
and a G5 running Tiger. Of the three, only my laptop has a working,
full YJ db; the other two are empty, save the "Welcome to Yojimbo"
note that, friendly as it is, I am sick to death of seeing, its
continuing presence signifying my ongoing syncing nightmare.

I'm not sure what exactly went wrong in the first place, but I suspect
it had something to do with the YJ library upgrade mandated by version
1.5 happening at the same time that an automatic sync was taking
place. Whatever the cause, what I ended up with was a syncing error
across all three machines that would not go away. Fortunately, the
library on my laptop is current and intact, so I have not lost any
data.

I have had a similar problem before, and appealed to support for
assistance. They sent me a detailed set of instructions for fixing the
problem, which did work each previous time around. The solution then
was to 1) backup my main library, 2) Delete libraries and caches from
all other machines, 3) halt synchronization and delete local sync data
from all machines 4) Reset dotmac syncing 5) Sync each machine,
merging all data.

This time around, this procedure did not work. I have applied the
appropriate set of steps to each of my machines, multiple times over,
to no avail. I have also tried unregistering and re-registering each
machine, replacing data from the good machine to dotmac, and replacing
the data on the bad machines from dotmac. Still, no dice.

When I sync now, whether automatically or manually, the machines go
thru the motions of a sync, even warning me about a greater than 50%
change to the library (at least in the beginning, when the sync state
has been reset), but even then, no items are added to the empty
libraries. (It may or may not be useful to know that all other dotmac
data is consistent and up-to-date across all 5 machines.)

Since I have one intact library, and two empty ones, it seems to me
that it SHOULD be easy enough to trick the bad machines into thinking
that they have never had YJ installed on them, and sync as new from
the good machine thru dotmac. At one point these machines had never
seen YJ, so I can't see why they can't be restored to a virgin YJ
state again.

Does anyone here have any suggestions on how to proceed?

Thanks in advance for any advice,
At Wits End
Cambridge, MA

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