Re: [Zope] XML Content handling questions.
While you need to write appropriate External Methods and/or Products to use it, we have found that the ReportLab pyRXP system works well. On Sat, 28 May 2005, Andreas Jung wrote: > Zope itself has no native XML support. However there are some products like > ParsedXML that provide additional functionality. You might also look at > Silva CMS > which is provides native XML support. > > -aj > > --On 27. Mai 2005 14:53:40 -0600 Nikko Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Three questions, in order of importance (to me): > > > > 1) Is it possible to validate an (uploaded) XML file against a schema > >(currently on the Zope server)? > > What, if any, extra packages are needed?I want to use this in my > > upload forms to alert the user if their files are invalid. > > > > 2) I also need to serve up web-based forms and allow the user to create > > XML content based on a user-selected schema. Something > > like what Chiba (http://chiba.sf.net/) is targeting. Of course, > > though, that isn't a Python/Zope solution. Has anyone seen anything > > that works? At this point, installing Tomcat and Chiba is what I > > presume I'll be doing in a couple of weeks > > > > 3) Is there a function built-in to Zope that allows merging XML files? > > (ie: all the within a list of user-selected files). > > I've got an Extension that works correctly (using the Amara/4Suite > > packages), so an answer here is mostly for me to learn Zope better. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Nikko. > > > > PS: I'm pretty new to Python & Zope, but not web servers or other > > programming. > > > > Server: > > Fedora Core 3 > > Python 2.3.4 > > Zope 2.7.6-final > > Plone 2.0.5 > > 4Suite 1.0b1 > > Amara 1.0b2 > > > > > > > > ___ > > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > > (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > > > -- Dennis Allison * Computer Systems Laboratory * Gates 227 * Stanford University * Stanford CA 94305 * (650) 723-9213 * (650) 723-0033 fax * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] XML Content handling questions.
Zope itself has no native XML support. However there are some products like ParsedXML that provide additional functionality. You might also look at Silva CMS which is provides native XML support. -aj --On 27. Mai 2005 14:53:40 -0600 Nikko Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Three questions, in order of importance (to me): 1) Is it possible to validate an (uploaded) XML file against a schema (currently on the Zope server)? What, if any, extra packages are needed?I want to use this in my upload forms to alert the user if their files are invalid. 2) I also need to serve up web-based forms and allow the user to create XML content based on a user-selected schema. Something like what Chiba (http://chiba.sf.net/) is targeting. Of course, though, that isn't a Python/Zope solution. Has anyone seen anything that works? At this point, installing Tomcat and Chiba is what I presume I'll be doing in a couple of weeks 3) Is there a function built-in to Zope that allows merging XML files? (ie: all the within a list of user-selected files). I've got an Extension that works correctly (using the Amara/4Suite packages), so an answer here is mostly for me to learn Zope better. Thanks, Nikko. PS: I'm pretty new to Python & Zope, but not web servers or other programming. Server: Fedora Core 3 Python 2.3.4 Zope 2.7.6-final Plone 2.0.5 4Suite 1.0b1 Amara 1.0b2 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) pgp0qga7DYUCD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
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Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Damn users, using all this imperfect software. These Kids Today! ;-) Easy Big Fella, Whooa. -Jon Chris Withers wrote: Tino Wildenhain wrote: Unfortunately Plone is still a bad example for ZPT. It is getting better but still it has a lot of code and definition in the templates. Maybe AT would be a way out. AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life... And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something about you. Use ZClasses, Plone, AT and XUF at the same time while you're at it. Why not dig out LoginManager and ZPatterns too, just for good measure? Hell, why not just do us all a favour and switch to using Perl where you'll be s much happier, and everyone in the community will agree with you rather than trying to help you not shoot yourself in the foot ;-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Create a list using DTML.
On 24/05/05, J Cameron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I'd probably just do something like::
> "{1,2,3}"[1:-1].split(',')
This code works as expected... Thanks! :)
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[Zope] XML Content handling questions.
Three questions, in order of importance (to me): 1) Is it possible to validate an (uploaded) XML file against a schema (currently on the Zope server)? What, if any, extra packages are needed?I want to use this in my upload forms to alert the user if their files are invalid. 2) I also need to serve up web-based forms and allow the user to create XML content based on a user-selected schema. Something like what Chiba (http://chiba.sf.net/) is targeting. Of course, though, that isn't a Python/Zope solution. Has anyone seen anything that works? At this point, installing Tomcat and Chiba is what I presume I'll be doing in a couple of weeks 3) Is there a function built-in to Zope that allows merging XML files? (ie: all the within a list of user-selected files). I've got an Extension that works correctly (using the Amara/4Suite packages), so an answer here is mostly for me to learn Zope better. Thanks, Nikko. PS: I'm pretty new to Python & Zope, but not web servers or other programming. Server: Fedora Core 3 Python 2.3.4 Zope 2.7.6-final Plone 2.0.5 4Suite 1.0b1 Amara 1.0b2 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Finding an object in a folder
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 08:59:01PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote: > An incredibly long time ago, I filed a feature request for > "hasattr_unacquired" -- together with patch, unit tests and documentation > update. Do you mean this? http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/742 the unit tests and docs are missing. But I like the idea. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Receiving mails
Varun Parange wrote: hi, i have downloaded an SMTP server and using it i can send mails with the help of Zope MailHost however i would also like to recieve mails how do i do this. which additional products do i need to download... regards, varun Varun, I wrote a spam filter using wxpython - but all the incoming mail uses standard python libraries: poplib, rfc822, email.Parser. Just write an external python script to handle. David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Receiving mails
Varun Parange wrote: i have downloaded an SMTP server and using it i can send mails with the help of Zope MailHost however i would also like to recieve mails how do i do this. which additional products do i need to download... I recall some people talking about actually turning Zope into a mail server. Frankly, I think that's a little crazy, but it might work. You can search the list if you're interested. A more common usage is to have a POP or IMAP server somewhere and use Zope as a client for that. There exist several products for doing webmail in Zope. http://www.pentila.com/produits/WebMail/ http://plonewebmail.openprojects.it/ for instance. --jcc -- "Building Websites with Plone" http://plonebook.packtpub.com/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Receiving mails
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Re: [Zope] LDAPUserFolder at Zope root
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On May 26, 2005, at 22:34, J Cameron Cooper wrote: Oscar Figueiredo wrote: this might be trivial but I just can't find a way to do it. How does one replace the initial UserFolder at Zope root with a LDAPUSerFolder ? I tried the dummy way : delete the acl_users with an intent to instanciate a LDAPUSerFolder afterwards but that locked me out in a way I could do nothing but recreate a new Zope instance... skip-authentication-checking in etc/zope.conf didn't help... Do not do that. You don't want to get locked out of your Zope because of LDAP problems. The emergency user always works. You can't lock yourself out due to LDAP problems. If anyone sees a symptom like that on the current LDAPUserFolder version it will be fixed right away because it is a bug. Yes, you can always break into Zope that way. But that's not something I would want to plan to do, especially when the alternative is so easy. --jcc -- "Building Websites with Plone" http://plonebook.packtpub.com/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Ah you are right. Just occured to me. That is kind of a pain in DTML, but I've learned how to deal with it. Makes sense. If I already have an object, say from a form submitted, in the REQUEST namespace, and I then retrieve data from sql and a column has the same name, I will have an issue. Which one is going to display in my var? I deal with this particular issue by changing my zsql method to return the column name differently, but there are other times when this may arise and it is a problem. And this causes you to have to do a bunch of messy dtml-call REQUEST.set's to set your vars correctly. I have learned how to deal with these things, but you are right, this is a problem with DTML and I can see how this exact issue helps make DTML messy and a little confusing. Great point. Thanks. Greg On 5/27/05, Lennart Regebro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/27/05, Greg Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, aside from the fact that you cant use DTML in WYSIWYG editors, I > > still dont understand why it is not good. > > Well, the fact that you get everyting directly into the current > namespace, especially with DTML-in, and things like that, is the real > problem. But as noted, by making all data-gathering in a python > script, the problems with this are less and survivable. > > -- > Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ > CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ > -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
On 5/27/05, Greg Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, aside from the fact that you cant use DTML in WYSIWYG editors, I > still dont understand why it is not good. Well, the fact that you get everyting directly into the current namespace, especially with DTML-in, and things like that, is the real problem. But as noted, by making all data-gathering in a python script, the problems with this are less and survivable. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Opening .doc files in zope
The short answer is "it depends". To make such files generally available you have to convert them to HTML so arbirary browsers can access them. You can use MS Word to do the conversion. If your Zope is running on a Windows machine that also has Word, you can manage the conversion dynamically using an External Method or a Product (which you'd have to write). Alternatively, you could store the MS Word document in it's XML form and use that to drive the rendering. If you are not interested in general availability and you users are all running Windows with Word installed, you can configure IE, I believe, to render Word documents directly. In addition, you could use the wmWare libraries to convert the word files to html/pdf, but they don't work well with complicated word documents. You can download there here: http://wvware.sourceforge.net -> linux http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wv.htm -> Windows Regards, Josef ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Using DTML from WYSIWYG editors is definitely a drawback. But, how many of us use them for doing our work? I might use Dreamweaver to clean up my sliced web template, but soon as I start my Zope work, it's all Crimson Editor coding by hand to Zope. Using Dreamweaver actually slows me down, it's easier to just code it. However, from a newbie perspective, not being able to run my Zope content in my fancy, drag'n'drop editor really bugged me a long time a go. Saying DTML sucks is only stating your difference of oppinion. At least give us some insight as to why it sucks. Technical, usability, or even marketing reasons would be helpful. But, come on DUH? Everybody will have their preference of languages, and even the way they like to layout the code. So I understand that some of us like DTML and some dont. All that aside, DTML may be ugly, but I dont agree. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :) Well, aside from the fact that you cant use DTML in WYSIWYG editors, I still dont understand why it is not good. If it is simple, easy to use, and it does the job, and I suppose, if you prefer it, why is it not good to use? I've beaten this subject to death, so time to move on. Thanks for hearing me out. Greg On 5/27/05, Lennart Regebro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/26/05, Greg Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is DTML really that much harder to use? > > Nah, but it's uglier. Also, the idea is that a web editor that > confirms to the tsandard of ignoring things it doens't understand, > should in theory be usable with TAL, but not with DTML. In practice, > however, HTML editors don't do that. > > > I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the > > presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not > > as good? > > Well, it used to be. But logic crept into ZPTs as well. The good thing > is to set up all the data in a python script or python method, and > then use the template only to display this data. Zope3 has this > separation "built-in", when you create a page with a template it > automatically gets connected to a "view" which is a python class, and > you can specify your own custom view and set up the data there. > > In Zope 2 you have to call a script that creates the data, or > reversely, use the script as the main view and let it call the > template. (I don't know how easy that last thing is with DTML, but the > first one works). > > If you do this, the drawbacks of DTML becomes much less painful. > -- > Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ > CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ > -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Opening .doc files in zope
On Fri, 27 May 2005, Allen Huang wrote: > Is there any way to open a .doc files using dtml or script and print them?? > The short answer is "it depends". To make such files generally available you have to convert them to HTML so arbirary browsers can access them. You can use MS Word to do the conversion. If your Zope is running on a Windows machine that also has Word, you can manage the conversion dynamically using an External Method or a Product (which you'd have to write). Alternatively, you could store the MS Word document in it's XML form and use that to drive the rendering. If you are not interested in general availability and you users are all running Windows with Word installed, you can configure IE, I believe, to render Word documents directly. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Opening .doc files in zope
Is there any way to open a .doc files using dtml or script and print them?? Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Saving the html-code
Fredag den 27. maj 2005 15:33 skrev Dieter Maurer: > Flemming Bjerke wrote at 2005-5-27 11:20 +0200: > >With a dtml-script I renders data from a mysql-database. But, sometimes I > >should like to save the html-code generated by the script. When I try to > > do this with a pythonscript I run into problems with acquiring the > > html-code generated by the dtml-script. I looks like the dtml-script does > > not get the proper namespace. > > Where do you want to store the result and why? The actual use was to send the resulting html-file as attachment to maililnglist mails. > > One of the easiest solutions would be caching (e.g. by > a "RamCacheManager"). Well, then I must look at how. Thanks. Flemming ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Finding an object in a folder
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 03:26:04PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote: > A higher risk comes from the fact that some Python packages may > rely on the broken "hasattr" behaviour. That's the reason why > the problem is not fixed in Python itself. And that's a very good reason not to monkeypatch it. We can't have arbitrary third-party packages breaking when they are used with Zope. Such bugs could be maddeningly difficult to diagnose and find. Anyway, Jim has made a papal edict on zope-dev: We will never monkeypatch hasattr in the zope core. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Finding an object in a folder
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:58:44PM +0200, Florent Guillaume wrote: > And all empty tuples are equal. Not just equal, but all empty tuples are *identical*, so () is () == True. I had no idea this was so :-\ > In python 2.3, the idiom most commonly found is to use marker = object(). Thanks for that. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Finding an object in a folder
Paul Winkler wrote at 2005-5-26 19:57 -0400: > ... >> >Make it so! :-) >> >> _marker = [] >> def hasattr(obj, attr, marker): I introduced a bug here (noticed by "Alec Mitchell"). The "marker" argument should have been "_marker=_marker". > ... >Are you currently running zope with a patch like this? No, because I never really met an "hasattr" bug (although I acknowledge that it may happen). >Have you noticed any performance difference? >the zope 2.6 source code contains over 700 calls to hasattr()... We replace a small C-implemented function with a small Python one. Although the Python function may be about 10 times slower, the overall effect is almost surely negligible. A higher risk comes from the fact that some Python packages may rely on the broken "hasattr" behaviour. That's the reason why the problem is not fixed in Python itself. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Finding an object in a folder
Paul Winkler wrote at 2005-5-27 05:07 -0400: > ... >What's wrong with a tuple? There's no reason to mutate the marker. The Python spec allows implementations to identify immutable objects with the same value. Thus, in principle, two "()" created at different times can in fact be the same object. This would violate our use as a marker. Python specifies that mutable objects created at different times are garanteed to be different (as long as both exist). Therefore, you can use them safely as markers. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Uploading rst docs & Put_factory
Andrew Malcolmson wrote at 2005-5-26 11:58 -0400:
>I want to upload a restructured text (rst) document to my Zope server
>via FTP and have its content type recognized. I understand that I need
>to make an entry in PUT_factory.py but I need some guidance here. The
>following attempt didn't have any effect (that is, the type of the
>uploaded file is still just 'text/plain'):
>
>elif typ.endswith('rst'):
>
> ob= ReStructuredTextDocument(name)
Probably because the decision is already fixed before your
"elif" is reached (and then skipped).
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Re: [Zope] Saving the html-code
Flemming Bjerke wrote at 2005-5-27 11:20 +0200: >With a dtml-script I renders data from a mysql-database. But, sometimes I >should like to save the html-code generated by the script. When I try to do >this with a pythonscript I run into problems with acquiring the html-code >generated by the dtml-script. I looks like the dtml-script does not get the >proper namespace. Where do you want to store the result and why? One of the easiest solutions would be caching (e.g. by a "RamCacheManager"). -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Namespace for PythonScript
Hong Yuan wrote at 2005-5-27 00:07 +0800: >If a PythonScript is called from a Page Template, how can it access the >variables defined using: > >in the calling script? It may work to bind the "namespace" binding. Not sure, though... -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Finding an object in a folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Winkler wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 08:51:58AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > >>Paul Winkler wrote: >> >> >>>marker = () >>>if getattr(some_object, marker) is not marker: >> >>For good measure, I wonder if that should be a [], no a ()? > > > What's wrong with a tuple? There's no reason to mutate the marker. In Python, there is only empty tuple object, while each empty list is a distinct object. For use as a marker, the empty list can't return a false positive, while the empty tuple can. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFClw9J+gerLs4ltQ4RAtyCAJ4y+h+rDtSmo+Sa2n5K+h87z/24DwCgwBFY 9Wrhk9aGMBUPm1DxsOpewec= =O5re -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Finding an object in a folder
Paul Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 08:51:58AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > > Paul Winkler wrote: > > > > >marker = () > > >if getattr(some_object, marker) is not marker: > > > > For good measure, I wonder if that should be a [], no a ()? > > What's wrong with a tuple? There's no reason to mutate the marker. The whole point of a marker is that it is unique, so cannot be confused with a legitimate value of the object examined. And all empty tuples are equal. In python 2.3, the idiom most commonly found is to use marker = object(). Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) CTO, Director of R&D +33 1 40 33 71 59 http://nuxeo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope MailHost Query
Am Freitag, den 27.05.2005, 12:32 +0200 schrieb Andreas Jung: > > --On Freitag, 27. Mai 2005 3:15 Uhr -0700 Varun Parange > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > hi, > > > > how do i receive mails using Zope mailhost?? > > MailHost is only for *sending* but not for receiving mails. Zope is *not* > an SMTP server. But there is a currently not very good documented smtp-server for zope. http://dev.legco.biz/products/smtpservice -- Tino Wildenhain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope MailHost Query
--On Freitag, 27. Mai 2005 3:15 Uhr -0700 Varun Parange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi, how do i receive mails using Zope mailhost?? MailHost is only for *sending* but not for receiving mails. Zope is *not* an SMTP server. -aj pgpSF9JJiUCyr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope MailHost Query
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Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
On 5/26/05, Greg Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is DTML really that much harder to use? Nah, but it's uglier. Also, the idea is that a web editor that confirms to the tsandard of ignoring things it doens't understand, should in theory be usable with TAL, but not with DTML. In practice, however, HTML editors don't do that. > I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the > presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not > as good? Well, it used to be. But logic crept into ZPTs as well. The good thing is to set up all the data in a python script or python method, and then use the template only to display this data. Zope3 has this separation "built-in", when you create a page with a template it automatically gets connected to a "view" which is a python class, and you can specify your own custom view and set up the data there. In Zope 2 you have to call a script that creates the data, or reversely, use the script as the main view and let it call the template. (I don't know how easy that last thing is with DTML, but the first one works). If you do this, the drawbacks of DTML becomes much less painful. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] LDAPUserFolder at Zope root
On May 26, 2005, at 22:34, J Cameron Cooper wrote: Oscar Figueiredo wrote: this might be trivial but I just can't find a way to do it. How does one replace the initial UserFolder at Zope root with a LDAPUSerFolder ? I tried the dummy way : delete the acl_users with an intent to instanciate a LDAPUSerFolder afterwards but that locked me out in a way I could do nothing but recreate a new Zope instance... skip-authentication-checking in etc/zope.conf didn't help... Do not do that. You don't want to get locked out of your Zope because of LDAP problems. The emergency user always works. You can't lock yourself out due to LDAP problems. If anyone sees a symptom like that on the current LDAPUserFolder version it will be fixed right away because it is a bug. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Saving the html-code
With a dtml-script I renders data from a mysql-database. But, sometimes I should like to save the html-code generated by the script. When I try to do this with a pythonscript I run into problems with acquiring the html-code generated by the dtml-script. I looks like the dtml-script does not get the proper namespace. How do I solve this? Flemming ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Finding an object in a folder
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 08:51:58AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > Paul Winkler wrote: > > >marker = () > >if getattr(some_object, marker) is not marker: > > For good measure, I wonder if that should be a [], no a ()? What's wrong with a tuple? There's no reason to mutate the marker. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
On 5/27/05, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad > code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life... > > And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something about you. Use > ZClasses, Plone, AT and XUF at the same time while you're at it. Why not > dig out LoginManager and ZPatterns too, just for good measure? > > Hell, why not just do us all a favour and switch to using Perl where > you'll be s much happier, and everyone in the community will agree > with you rather than trying to help you not shoot yourself in the foot ;-) Is it me or are you really pissed??? :-) At least give DTML some credit... It's what made Zope so popular in the first days because of easy and fast learning curve!!! Regards Hugo -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] UnicodeDecodeError
Dieter Maurer wrote: Only the default is "latin-1" (as specified by the HTML specification). Indeed, but that should be configurable... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Tino Wildenhain wrote: Unfortunately Plone is still a bad example for ZPT. It is getting better but still it has a lot of code and definition in the templates. Maybe AT would be a way out. AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life... And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something about you. Use ZClasses, Plone, AT and XUF at the same time while you're at it. Why not dig out LoginManager and ZPatterns too, just for good measure? Hell, why not just do us all a favour and switch to using Perl where you'll be s much happier, and everyone in the community will agree with you rather than trying to help you not shoot yourself in the foot ;-) cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Finding an object in a folder
Paul Winkler wrote: marker = () if getattr(some_object, marker) is not marker: For good measure, I wonder if that should be a [], no a ()? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Wow, thanks for the replies guys. It's good to hear I am not the only one who likes DTML. Tino, thanks for the explanations. I have some thoughts below on that, and keep in mind, I am questioning from my own ignorance. Tino Wrote: > The major drawbacks of DTML are: > > - one namespace (with transparent layers) One namespace? Why do you need more? I havent had any problems with one. Can you give some examples of why this is important or how it would be useful? > - confusing naming of tags, like which > really is or something Well I realize that it could be named something else, but it never occured to me. I dont think it's confusing. I mean, in DTML you use 4 tags more than any other, IN, VAR, IF, and CALL. Simple. And if there is one thing I have learned over the few years I have been programming, it is to keep it simple. Simple works. > - and the extra tags for flow control, but probably > the dtml fans can live with it. Yeah, simple. We can live with it, particularly since we can call more detailed functionality from Python. > - peoples practice to use even inside > html-tags attributes, where &dtml-foo; should be used. Hmm.. Never thought of that one as I too just use the full . I can see now that it might make readability a little better to use &dtml, but is there a technical reason for using it that way? Thank you again for your input Tino. I can understand the need to take Zope to another level, its the nature of things to keep them growing. And changing Zope to fit the needs of large scale applications is good, I just hate to see the sacrifice of the smaller apps needs. I probably will never get to work on enterprise class systems, in fact I really dont want to, but Zope works beautifully for the small web apps and that's what I want to work on. I wonder what the ratio is of Zope users who use small apps to those who do large apps? Thanks again! Greg On 5/26/05, Tino Wildenhain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Freitag, den 27.05.2005, 00:20 +0200 schrieb Jaroslav Lukesh: > ... > > I absolutelly agree with you, it is like my words. > > > > But separation of logic and presentation could be done successfully in DTML > > too. ZPT, which have "separation argument" is not as easy to make totally > > This is even somewhat correct. If people had the discipline to not abuse > the templating to do complicated logic. > The major drawbacks of DTML are: > > - one namespace (with transparent layers) > - confusing naming of tags, like which > really is or something > - and the extra tags for flow control, but probably > the dtml fans can live with it. > - peoples practice to use even inside > html-tags attributes, where &dtml-foo; should be used. > > > separated design as marketing says, for example see Plone - try to customize > > plone site to absolutelly different custom design - it is near impossible. > > Unfortunately Plone is still a bad example for ZPT. It is getting > better but still it has a lot of code and definition in the templates. > Maybe AT would be a way out. > > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
