[Zope] Re: Plone/Zope on Debian Sarge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Bittner wrote: > I am running a Debian Linux box with Debian/testing (Sarge) and I am trying > to > get Plone up and running. I have made a clean, new install of the whole > system last week, so all packages are really up-to-date and there was no > dirty installation that was updated. > > I have noticed that the Plone package on Debian is or was somewhat broken, > but > there was a notice about that on the Plone website (download page) which has > disappeared. For me that looked like this problem was fixed by the package > maintainer. > > Unfortunately still, after installing Plone (and implicitly thus Zope 2.7) > Zope did not want to come up, saying: > > Zope starting all instances > '*' is an old/purged instance, not started > > What is wrong here? You need to supply more detail, like showing the exact working directory, comand lines, etc. you used, and the full traceback, if any. Also note that the Debian maintainer should probably be your first line of contact: very few folks on this list are likely to grok the details of packaging for Debian. > I know I have to set up a new Plone site (obviously using the Zope interface > at http://localhost:9673), but how can I when Zope is not running. > > Any help is greatly appreciated! Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zope Corporation "Zope Dealers" http://www.zope.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCTWNCGqWXf00rNCgRAioBAJ9TjpjdUT9dvzS88pYt+h3+qHLfWgCffyhs 0WUBtrHLRi4YSJzl+XF0ZOA= =l//E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Plone/Zope on Debian Sarge
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:02:43PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
| The moral of this whole story seems to shine through:
|
| Don't install Zope from OS packages like debian, they never get it right
| and you will just end up getting confused ;-)
Never say never. The problem with debian is the former zope
maintainers are no longer maintaining the packages and only very
recently has a replacement stepped up to update the packages and
resolve the outstanding issues. The current situation is filled with
bit-rot, but before that began the packages were just fine. It would
seem, too, that the bit-rot will recede in the near future. In the
meantime, I would recommend using the upstream source for
installation.
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Re: [Zope] Re: Plone/Zope on Debian Sarge
google search for your error message yielded: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-January/155790.html If you did an 'apt-get install plone' it's still trying to pull in Zope 2.6. What I ended up doing was to uninstall plone and then 'apt-get install zope2.7', create my default instance w/ mkzopeinstance.py (installed to /var/lib/zope2.7/instance/default) and then just dropped the Plone, etc packages into my /instances/default/Producs folder. Shane On Apr 1, 2005 10:05 AM, Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Peter Bittner wrote: > > > I am running a Debian Linux box with Debian/testing (Sarge) and I am trying > > to > > get Plone up and running. I have made a clean, new install of the whole > > system last week, so all packages are really up-to-date and there was no > > dirty installation that was updated. > > > > I have noticed that the Plone package on Debian is or was somewhat broken, > > but > > there was a notice about that on the Plone website (download page) which has > > disappeared. For me that looked like this problem was fixed by the package > > maintainer. > > > > Unfortunately still, after installing Plone (and implicitly thus Zope 2.7) > > Zope did not want to come up, saying: > > > > Zope starting all instances > > '*' is an old/purged instance, not started > > > > What is wrong here? > > You need to supply more detail, like showing the exact working > directory, comand lines, etc. you used, and the full traceback, if any. > Also note that the Debian maintainer should probably be your first line > of contact: very few folks on this list are likely to grok the details > of packaging for Debian. > > > I know I have to set up a new Plone site (obviously using the Zope interface > > at http://localhost:9673), but how can I when Zope is not running. > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > Tres. > - -- > === > Tres Seaver[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Zope Corporation "Zope Dealers" http://www.zope.com > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFCTWNCGqWXf00rNCgRAioBAJ9TjpjdUT9dvzS88pYt+h3+qHLfWgCffyhs > 0WUBtrHLRi4YSJzl+XF0ZOA= > =l//E > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > -- http://liquid.homelinux.org/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Plone/Zope on Debian Sarge
On 01.Apr 2005 - 10:14:36, Shane Graber wrote: > google search for your error message yielded: > > http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-January/155790.html > > If you did an 'apt-get install plone' it's still trying to pull in > Zope 2.6. That's not correct, current Plone will favor zope27 over zope package, you can see that in the dependecies. However, the Plone Product(s) will still be installed in a path where the old Zope2.6 will find it and thus are not automatically seen by Zope2.7. Anyway, how this can be changed and how to setup the 2.7 zope is explained via debconf-pages during the installation of zope27 and plone and even when you disable debconf, you can still do RTFM in /usr/share/doc/(zope|plone). I tried it lately and it took about 5 Minutes to get both zope27 and plone up and running (including installtion via apt-get). Andreas -- You will be traveling and coming into a fortune. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Plone/Zope on Debian Sarge
On 05.Apr 2005 - 12:01:14, Derrick Hudson wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:02:43PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > | The moral of this whole story seems to shine through: > | > | Don't install Zope from OS packages like debian, they never get it right > | and you will just end up getting confused ;-) > > The current situation is filled with bit-rot, ?? bit-rot? > but before that began the packages were just fine. It would seem, > too, that the bit-rot will recede in the near future. In the > meantime, I would recommend using the upstream source for > installation. As I said, if you install zope27 you get a message what to do next to get the instance up and running. The same with plone. The only drawback at the moment is, that you need to change the zope.conf to get some packages to work with zope27. This will probably change when Debian finally drops zope26 (I don't understand why they keep it anyway...) Andreas -- Tuesday After Lunch is the cosmic time of the week. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Plone/Zope on Debian Sarge
On 05.Apr 2005 - 13:49:04, Derrick Hudson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 07:34:14PM +0200, Andreas Pakulat wrote: > | On 05.Apr 2005 - 12:01:14, Derrick Hudson wrote: > | > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:02:43PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > | > but before that began the packages were just fine. It would seem, > | > too, that the bit-rot will recede in the near future. In the > | > meantime, I would recommend using the upstream source for > | > installation. > | > | As I said, if you install zope27 you get a message what to do next to > | get the instance up and running. The same with plone. The only > | drawback at the moment is, that you need to change the zope.conf to > | get some packages to work with zope27. > > It's good to see someone with a mainly positive experience using the > newer packages. That's a bit too much to say... I used 2.6 packages back in 2003 and until Debian decided to support multiple instances in its 2.6 packages everything worked fine. Thus I installed 2.7 in my home when I restarted my work on the website... I just had an argument on debian-user-german with somebody who basically said "why does Plone state it's easy to install and works out of the box, when it doesn't". He tried with apt-get install plone and after some forth and back I decided to try it out myself and found that he just didn't read the debconf-message. So it's basically only the installation experience, nevertheless this was really good - I seldom find such messages in a debconf during installation of a package. The normal case from my experience is that the maintainers just expect the user to go to /usr/share/doc/ and read README.Debian. > If you're interested, take a look at I'm not working with Zope anymore, I'm not even working on those websites anymore... > | This will probably change when > | Debian finally drops zope26 > > Or when people finish organizing and implementing a way to support > multiple versions of zope (which, IMO, is necessary). I think the 2.6 and 2.7 packages in Debian can quite good coexist, I mean if you're using those 3 extra product-lines in the conf of zope2.7 and install all the new Products (that don't work with zope2.6) into the instance-home it shouldn't be much of a problem. Of course there coud be a problem with those FileSystem-Products that store the data in the filesystem, you probably cannot share those with the 2 versions, but then it's still easy to have a copy of the product-folder for each version of zope... > | (I don't understand why they keep it > | anyway...) > > I believe they keep it just because it is already there and we are > near a stable release (and there is no immediate path to safely drop > it). More-or-less the same reason python 2.1 and 2.2 are still in > debian (but won't be in etch). Ok, I guess I did not get that there was no zope maintainer for a long time. Because Zope2.7 is not there since some months (I mean upstream), but for a rather long time... > People who are currently using 2.6 will need 2.6 in sarge when it is > released, and they'll also need 2.7 so they can work on migrating. > Then 2.7, 2.8 and 3.1 will need to co-exist so people can migrate from > 2.7 to one of the others and so that individual projects/sites can be > migrated independently (without needing new hardware or installing > from source). Maybe I'm just to used to installing from source, but for upgrading purposes I would still do it with the source package... I tried to upgrade the 2.6 instance with the debian 2.7 package, but I messed up. Doing it with the source package was somehow easier - even though this probably wasn't a problem of the packages themselves, but of my knowledge (or better the lack of). Then I read the zope-ml's and found that a common advice is to use the source packages... So far for my story, and I do think the debian packages for zope are quite good (as debian packages are in general ;-) > PS - did you mean to continue this discuss off- list? Did I? I don't think so, but maybe you set a header that caused my mutt to do a CC - anyway the fcc-hook for the mail was active, so I don't have a copy of it anymore (ML-mails go to /dev/null here). I'm putting it back on list now. Andreas -- You will not be elected to public office this year. -- Zum Abmelden eine Mail mit Betreff unsubscribe an [EMAIL PROTECTED] senden. http://www.dzug.org/mailinglisten/zope/archive/2005/2005-04/1112728442930 Bitte die Policy beachten: http://www.dzug.org/kommunikation#regeln ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
