Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 02:52:36PM +0200, yuppie wrote:
> Hi Martin!
> 
> 
> Martin Aspeli wrote:
> > On 29 July 2010 20:14, yuppie  wrote:
> >> Martin Aspeli wrote:
> >>> I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and
> >>> use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically.
> >>
> >> Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a
> >> specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to
> >> run specific files?
> >
> > See the -s and -t options. :)
> 
> Well. It's not that simple. Today I tried to modify 
> Products.GenericSetup.tests.test_tool using CMF.buildout/trunk.
> 
> I usually use the -m option, but that doesn't work in CMF.buildout 
> because it already uses that option.

Ouch.  Not a good idea, in my book.

> So I tried to execute the module and noticed that's currently broken.
> 
> The -s option doesn't allow to run a specific module.
> 
> And if I use the -t option (-ttest_tool), most tests fail :(

That is an indication that the tests aren't independent.  I would
consider such a test suite to be broken.

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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Tres Seaver  wrote:
> I don't believe that zope.testing's testrunner works without 'def
> test_suite()'.

Oh it does. Ever since 3.8.0 from mid 2009:

- Testrunner automatically picks up descendants of unittest.TestCase
in test modules, so you don't have to provide a test_suite() anymore.

This just doesn't work for doctests and various forms of auto
generating test cases and other fancier constructs.

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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 7/29/10 16:35 , Tres Seaver wrote:
> yuppie wrote:
>> Do you think it should become policy to remove "def test_suite():" where
>> possible? I'm not sure if I like that because it is less explicit.
>
> I don't believe that zope.testing's testrunner works without 'def
> test_suite()'.

It seems to pick up my tests without it.

Wichert.
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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 29 July 2010 22:35, Tres Seaver  wrote:

> I don't believe that zope.testing's testrunner works without 'def
> test_suite()'.

Latter versions can detect unittest.TestCase-derived test suites
automatically. For doctests you still need test_suite().

Martin
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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Tres Seaver
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yuppie wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> 
> Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Martin Aspeli  
>> wrote:
>>> On 29 July 2010 20:14, yuppie  wrote:
 Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a
 specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to
 run specific files?
>>> See the -s and -t options. :)
>> Don't forget -m which runs exactly one module (file).
>>
>> I always use commands like:
>>
>> bin/test -s zope.package
>> bin/test -s zope.package -m test_module
>> bin/test -s zope.package -m test_module -t test_some_method
> 
> If everybody is using this, nobody is using CMF.buildout for 
> development. Anyway. I fixed CMF.buildout:
> http://svn.zope.org/?rev=115204&view=rev

+1 for removing the 'if __name__ == "__main__"' boilerplate
opportunistically.

>> Especially since unittest and zope.testing can even discover
>> TestSuites inside modules, it seems any kind of explicit configuration
>> in the test files isn't needed anymore.
> 
> Do you think it should become policy to remove "def test_suite():" where 
> possible? I'm not sure if I like that because it is less explicit.

I don't believe that zope.testing's testrunner works without 'def
test_suite()'.


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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:57 PM, yuppie  wrote:
> If everybody is using this, nobody is using CMF.buildout for
> development. Anyway. I fixed CMF.buildout:
> http://svn.zope.org/?rev=115204&view=rev

I'm using CMF.buildout and was always annoyed by it overriding the -m
option. But the CMF tests are fast enough, so I just ran the tests for
a package at a time.

> Do you think it should become policy to remove "def test_suite():" where
> possible? I'm not sure if I like that because it is less explicit.

I wouldn't make any decision at this point. Once we actually use
unittest2 inside zope.testing we might want to reevaluate this.

Hanno
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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On 7/29/10 15:57 , yuppie wrote:
> Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Martin Aspeli  
>> wrote:
>>> On 29 July 2010 20:14, yuppie  wrote:
 Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a
 specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to
 run specific files?
>>> See the -s and -t options. :)
>> Don't forget -m which runs exactly one module (file).
>>
>> I always use commands like:
>>
>> bin/test -s zope.package
>> bin/test -s zope.package -m test_module
>> bin/test -s zope.package -m test_module -t test_some_method
> 
> If everybody is using this, nobody is using CMF.buildout for 
> development.

Huh? I use it. I just don't use "-m" myself.

jens

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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread yuppie
Hi!


Hanno Schlichting wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Martin Aspeli  
> wrote:
>> On 29 July 2010 20:14, yuppie  wrote:
>>> Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a
>>> specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to
>>> run specific files?
>>
>> See the -s and -t options. :)
>
> Don't forget -m which runs exactly one module (file).
>
> I always use commands like:
>
> bin/test -s zope.package
> bin/test -s zope.package -m test_module
> bin/test -s zope.package -m test_module -t test_some_method

If everybody is using this, nobody is using CMF.buildout for 
development. Anyway. I fixed CMF.buildout:
http://svn.zope.org/?rev=115204&view=rev

> Especially since unittest and zope.testing can even discover
> TestSuites inside modules, it seems any kind of explicit configuration
> in the test files isn't needed anymore.

Do you think it should become policy to remove "def test_suite():" where 
possible? I'm not sure if I like that because it is less explicit.


Cheers,

Yuppie
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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Christian Theune
On 07/29/2010 02:17 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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> On 7/29/10 14:00 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
>> On 29 July 2010 19:26, yuppie  wrote:
>>> 1.) Is it still policy to add these lines?
>>>
>>> 2.) Is there a better solution for using zope testrunner than the one
>>> shown above?
>>
>> I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and
>> use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically.
>
> Same here. I have never in my life run tests by executing the module.
> The options provided by the testrunner to pare down what I want to test
> have always been sufficient for me.
>
> I have had a tendency to add these blurbs myself, thinking "I guess it's
> useful for *someone*". But IMHO it's like those CVS/SVN $Id$ snippets,
> it's not really useful anymore.

Fullack.

Even better: the current test runner even lets you avoid the test_suite 
function in many cases.


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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Christian Theune
On 07/29/2010 02:17 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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> On 7/29/10 14:00 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
>> On 29 July 2010 19:26, yuppie  wrote:
>>> 1.) Is it still policy to add these lines?
>>>
>>> 2.) Is there a better solution for using zope testrunner than the one
>>> shown above?
>>
>> I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and
>> use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically.
>
> Same here. I have never in my life run tests by executing the module.
> The options provided by the testrunner to pare down what I want to test
> have always been sufficient for me.
>
> I have had a tendency to add these blurbs myself, thinking "I guess it's
> useful for *someone*". But IMHO it's like those CVS/SVN $Id$ snippets,
> it's not really useful anymore.

Fullack.

Even better: the current test runner even lets you avoid the test_suite 
function in many cases.


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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread yuppie
Hi Martin!


Martin Aspeli wrote:
> On 29 July 2010 20:14, yuppie  wrote:
>> Martin Aspeli wrote:
>>> I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and
>>> use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically.
>>
>> Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a
>> specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to
>> run specific files?
>
> See the -s and -t options. :)

Well. It's not that simple. Today I tried to modify 
Products.GenericSetup.tests.test_tool using CMF.buildout/trunk.

I usually use the -m option, but that doesn't work in CMF.buildout 
because it already uses that option.

So I tried to execute the module and noticed that's currently broken.

The -s option doesn't allow to run a specific module.

And if I use the -t option (-ttest_tool), most tests fail :(


Cheers,

Yuppie
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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Martin Aspeli  wrote:
> On 29 July 2010 20:14, yuppie  wrote:
>> Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a
>> specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to
>> run specific files?
>
> See the -s and -t options. :)

Don't forget -m which runs exactly one module (file).

I always use commands like:

bin/test -s zope.package
bin/test -s zope.package -m test_module
bin/test -s zope.package -m test_module -t test_some_method

Especially since unittest and zope.testing can even discover
TestSuites inside modules, it seems any kind of explicit configuration
in the test files isn't needed anymore.

Hanno
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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 29 July 2010 20:14, yuppie  wrote:
> Martin Aspeli wrote:
>> I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and
>> use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically.
>
> Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a
> specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to
> run specific files?

See the -s and -t options. :)

Martin
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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 29.07.2010, 14:14 Uhr, schrieb yuppie :

> Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a
> specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to
> run specific files?

I try and limit my tests to the package or module I'm working on. I've  
been bitten by my occasional use and the changes in some of the switches  
but -s gives you most of the control you need.

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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On 7/29/10 14:00 , Martin Aspeli wrote:
> On 29 July 2010 19:26, yuppie  wrote:
>> 1.) Is it still policy to add these lines?
>>
>> 2.) Is there a better solution for using zope testrunner than the one
>> shown above?
> 
> I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and
> use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically.

Same here. I have never in my life run tests by executing the module.
The options provided by the testrunner to pare down what I want to test
have always been sufficient for me.

I have had a tendency to add these blurbs myself, thinking "I guess it's
useful for *someone*". But IMHO it's like those CVS/SVN $Id$ snippets,
it's not really useful anymore.

jens

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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread yuppie
Martin Aspeli wrote:
> I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and
> use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically.

Sure. But do you always run all tests it picks up while working on a 
specific test file? Or do you use bin/test with options that allow to 
run specific files?

Cheers, Yuppie
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Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 29 July 2010 19:26, yuppie  wrote:
> Hi!
>
>
> Traditionally the last two lines of unit test files look like this:
>
> if __name__ == '__main__':
>     unittest.main(defaultTest='test_suite')
>
> That makes it easy to run the tests of a specific file. But it doesn't
> work with tests that require the zope testrunner. AFAICS something like
> this is needed instead:
>
> if __name__ == '__main__':
>     from zope.testing.testrunner import run
>     run(['-m', 'test_foo', '--test-path', '.'])
>
>
> Questions:
> --
>
> 1.) Is it still policy to add these lines?
>
> 2.) Is there a better solution for using zope testrunner than the one
> shown above?

I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and
use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically.

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[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 36 OK, 13 Failed, 1 Unknown

2010-07-29 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list.
Period Wed Jul 28 12:00:00 2010 UTC to Thu Jul 29 12:00:00 2010 UTC.
There were 50 messages: 6 from Zope Tests, 1 from buildbot at 
enfoldsystems.com, 4 from buildbot at pov.lt, 13 from buildbot at 
winbot.zope.org, 11 from ccomb at free.fr, 15 from jdriessen at 
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Test failures
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Subject: FAILED : Bluebream / Python2.4.6 32bit linux
From: ccomb at free.fr
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:06:01 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017477.html

Subject: FAILED : Bluebream / Python2.5.2 32bit linux
From: ccomb at free.fr
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:06:10 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017478.html

Subject: FAILED : Bluebream / Python2.6.4 32bit linux
From: ccomb at free.fr
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:06:13 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017479.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_244_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:08:13 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017480.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_254_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:15:10 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017482.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_265_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:22:30 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017483.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_265_win64
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:29:09 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017484.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_10 py_244_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:37:23 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017486.html

Subject: FAILED : ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.4.6 Linux 32bit
From: ccomb at free.fr
Date: Wed Jul 28 23:45:34 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017490.html

Subject: FAILED : ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.6.4 Linux 32bit
From: ccomb at free.fr
Date: Wed Jul 28 23:47:52 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017491.html

Subject: FAILED : ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.5.2 Linux 32bit
From: ccomb at free.fr
Date: Wed Jul 28 23:48:09 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017492.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ZODB_dev py_270_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Thu Jul 29 03:12:38 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017502.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ZODB_dev py_270_win64
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Thu Jul 29 04:08:06 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017503.html


Unknown
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Subject: [zodb-tests] buildbot failure in Enfold Systems on 
zodb-trunk-python-2.6-maestro
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Date: Thu Jul 29 03:04:54 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017501.html


Tests passed OK
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Subject: OK : Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.4-64bit-linux
From: buildbot at pov.lt
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:09:00 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/017469.html

Subject: OK : Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.4-32bit-linux
From: buildbot at pov.lt
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:29:19 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.6 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:37:22 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.6 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:39:23 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : Zope-2.12 Python-2.6.5 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:41:23 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : Zope-2.12-alltests Python-2.6.5 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:43:23 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.6.5 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:45:23 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.6.5 : Linux
From: Zope Tests
Date: Wed Jul 28 21:47:24 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.5-64bit-linux
From: buildbot at pov.lt
Date: Wed Jul 28 22:09:21 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.5-32bit-linux
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Date: Wed Jul 28 22:29:14 EDT 2010
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Subject: OK : winbot / ztk_10 py_254_win32
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Date: Wed Jul 28 22:45:03 EDT 2010
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[Zope-dev] unit test policy questions

2010-07-29 Thread yuppie
Hi!


Traditionally the last two lines of unit test files look like this:

if __name__ == '__main__':
 unittest.main(defaultTest='test_suite')

That makes it easy to run the tests of a specific file. But it doesn't 
work with tests that require the zope testrunner. AFAICS something like 
this is needed instead:

if __name__ == '__main__':
 from zope.testing.testrunner import run
 run(['-m', 'test_foo', '--test-path', '.'])


Questions:
--

1.) Is it still policy to add these lines?

2.) Is there a better solution for using zope testrunner than the one 
shown above?


Cheers,

Yuppie
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Re: [Zope-dev] EP reports

2010-07-29 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 29.07.2010, 11:10 Uhr, schrieb Jan Ulrich Hasecke
:

> Cool slides! They look great!

Cheers. I'll pass the compliments on to my designer...

In the meantime I've got the talk exported from Keynote but need to shrink
it down from 1GB it is. Anyone know mplayer/mencoder well enough for this?
Planning to put it in Web-M + H264 (for fanbois who can't install Opera)
somewhere as Bruce Lawson, who gave excellent talks and has just published
an introduction to HTML5, recommended - sticking the  inside the
video tag.

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Re: [Zope-dev] EP reports

2010-07-29 Thread Jan Ulrich Hasecke
Am 28.07.10 13:49, schrieb Charlie Clark:
> My slides are available on http://wiki.europython.eu/After

Cool slides! They look great!

juh

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