Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1b2?

2003-01-23 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi,

I'd just like to know when can we expect a 2.6.1b2. It would be nice to
have a new release where we don't have to patch just to get ZClasses to
work.


Yes, it IS indeed a problem if there is no single Zope version out there 
that can be used without patches. 2.6.0 has the DateTime bug, the 
2.6.1b1 has new issues. I have complained a lot about the lousy release 
management in the past, but nobody seems to listen.

Joachim

P.S.: After all, it's so easy: Take a Zope version that has some bugs, 
fix the bugs and release it as a bugfix release. DON'T add features that 
might trigger new bugs. THEN start working on the next feature release.

AND: THERE SHOULD NEVER, I REPEAT: NEVER BE NEW FUNCTIONALITY OR CODE 
CHANGES BETWEEN A FINAL BETA AND A RELEASE! IF IT IS NOT FINAL; RELEASE 
ANOTHER BETA!!


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Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1b2?

2003-01-23 Thread Andreas Jung


--On Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2003 20:31 +0100 Joachim Werner 
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Hi,

I'd just like to know when can we expect a 2.6.1b2. It would be nice to
have a new release where we don't have to patch just to get ZClasses to
work.


Yes, it IS indeed a problem if there is no single Zope version out there
that can be used without patches. 2.6.0 has the DateTime bug, the 2.6.1b1
has new issues. I have complained a lot about the lousy release
management in the past, but nobody seems to listen.

Joachim

P.S.: After all, it's so easy: Take a Zope version that has some bugs,
fix the bugs and release it as a bugfix release. DON'T add features that
might trigger new bugs. THEN start working on the next feature release.

AND: THERE SHOULD NEVER, I REPEAT: NEVER BE NEW FUNCTIONALITY OR CODE
CHANGES BETWEEN A FINAL BETA AND A RELEASE! IF IT IS NOT FINAL; RELEASE
ANOTHER BETA!!



I think the situation has improved since new features will make it only
into the major 2.X.0 releases. All other releases are bugfix releases
only. This is at least true for the Zope 2.6 branch were only a
minor feature was added to the DateTime module.

-aj


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope reference counts

2003-01-23 Thread Dieter Maurer
Ivo van der Wijk wrote at 2003-1-22 16:10 +0100:
  On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:57:20AM +, Toby Dickenson wrote:
   
 Is there a
way to optimize this?
   
   1. Obviously, use fewer threads. Do you have a component that otherwise 
   benefits from many threads? 
   
  
  No, except that the server is pretty heavy loaded sometimes, and multiple
  threads should improve responsiveness (right?)
When you have both short and long requests, then multiple threads help
that the short requests are processed faster.

When all your requests take approximately the same time, you
will not be more responsive but your average response time
becomes much worser (provided you can only use a single
processor which is normal for Python threads).


Dieter

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