Re: [Zope3-Users] [Zope-dev] Next Step to Bug Resolution???
Tim Cook wrote: > Thanks Dieter, > > On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 19:41 +0100, Dieter Maurer wrote: >> I often approach situations like this with so called "Monkey Patches": >> I replace or enhance classes or methods during startup (triggered >> by some startup event). >> >> This may not be optimal but allows me to solve my problems without >> tight coupling with the core developpers who usually do not have >> my problems and tend not see them as very high priority. > > I am starting to see why other Python developers aren't too interested > in Zope. Despite the awesome power of the architecture. > > I've been poking around and using and supporting Zope since 1999. But > because I am not an expert programmer (my skills are in another field) > and because I do not know Zope inside and out. I am being chastised for > not supplying my own complete fixes to the developers or at least being > able to cover for their mistakes inside my application. Silly me. > Working in open source for 14 years and I had no idea it worked like > this. > > I'm sure glad that we do not run openEHR like that. This seems a little unfair. By my count you have had five responses, four of which have been friendly and helpful. Don't be discouraged by the occasional dragon! Laurence ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
[Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace has slew down. Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would say: *hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs (z3c.* and others)*. But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least half lower in 2008 than in 2007. Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: - the last new topic is 3 months old - last month there is one edit of a topic - After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been stalled for over half a year. Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the symptoms? Warm Regards, Alek ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
Replace "Zope 3" with "Zope component architecture" or "Zope web components". That's where we are: Zope 3 was always a set of components. Since some time every individual module has its own lifecycle and its own releases. Those components are widely use in various projects (Plone, Zope 2, Grok, Repozse, other Python projects). Don't expect any further "Zope 3" release - expect that the individual components will ongoing improvements over time. The core components are very mature and the goal splitting Zope up into pieces is basically achived (according to Jim Fulton) -aj On 21.12.2008 19:18 Uhr, Alek wrote: For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace has slew down. Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would say: /hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs (z3c.* and others)/. But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least half lower in 2008 than in 2007. Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: * the last new topic is 3 months old * last month there is one edit of a topic * After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been stalled for over half a year. Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the symptoms? Warm Regards, Alek ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users -- ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG - Charlottenstr. 37/1 - 72070 Tübingen - Germany Web: www.zopyx.com - Email: i...@zopyx.com - Phone +49 - 7071 - 793376 Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, Handelsregister A 381535 Geschäftsführer/Gesellschafter: ZOPYX Limited, Birmingham, UK E-Publishing, Python, Zope & Plone development, Consulting begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
No. Just the "zope3" package is not released anymore. Now there's a bunch of eggs on PyPI, providing some functionality, like zope.component or zope.app.catalog. Some of core packages are mature enough, so there aren't much new releases of them, but other (like ZODB or z3c.form) are developed very actively. So Zope3 is alive and rocking :) There's certainly a problem with the website/documentation. IIRC, there was a project to redesign zope.org website to make it more friendly and informative, but people are quite busy so it looks stalled. Also, it would be great if people wrote more articles and updated current docs though, but it isn't the case currently. :-( 2008/12/21 Alek : > For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace > has slew down. > Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new > articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope > 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would > say: hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is > the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs > (z3c.* and others). > But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, > thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at > http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least > half lower in 2008 than in 2007. > > Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't > worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: > > the last new topic is 3 months old > last month there is one edit of a topic > After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. > > To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been > stalled for over half a year. > Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or > maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? > What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the > symptoms? > > Warm Regards, > Alek > > ___ > Zope3-users mailing list > Zope3-users@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users > > -- WBR, Dan Korostelev ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Is zope3 dead?
Seen this? http://plope.com/Members/chrism/le_roi_est_mort "Zope 3" as an application server brand is dead. 2008/12/21 Alek : > For some time, I have a bad, worrisome feeling that Zope3 development pace > has slew down. > Today looked to zope wiki and discovered that there are virtually no new > articles. I've also found that last release is almost one year old and zope > 3.4.0c0 is not even a real release, but a release candidate. Someone would > say: hey, but maybe the development has just been decentralized? Zope 3.4 is > the first eggified release, so maybe the development just moved to eggs > (z3c.* and others). > But I digged deeper and searched for some stats of Zope3-Users traffic, > thanks to google. What I found I have published on a chart at > http://pmiblog.blox.pl/2008/12/Is-Zope3-Dead.html. The traffic is at least > half lower in 2008 than in 2007. > > Maybe the traffic moved somewhere else - to Wiki? This hypothesis haven't > worked: I looked to zope 3 wiki and: > > the last new topic is 3 months old > last month there is one edit of a topic > After July 2008 there was not a one month with more than 5 edits. > > To summarize: It seems that zope3 development and engegement have been > stalled for over half a year. > Any thoughts? Have I missed some switch to other communication channels? Or > maybe grok really took away all hearts and souls? > What are the causes of the slowdown? Or maybe I just misinterpret the > symptoms? > > Warm Regards, > Alek > > ___ > Zope3-users mailing list > Zope3-users@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users > > -- Peter Bengtsson, work www.fry-it.com home www.peterbe.com hobby www.issuetrackerproduct.com ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
