DIS: Status of wins by paradox

2007-11-27 Thread Ed Murphy
To the best of my knowledge, Minister without Portfolio was held by these players when it was first adopted: Eris (joint win on 2/24/06) <- Speaker Murphy (win on 3/18/07) Human Point Two (win on 5/22/07) Levi (win on 8/21/07) I'm assuming that CFJ 1807 will be judged false. If it's jud

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agora's Child II

2007-11-27 Thread Taral
On 11/27/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does this operate as a mailing list? It doesn't seem to have any way to > subscribe other than by having a "Google Account", which is presumably > concerned with the Google Groups website. I've always found these groups > impossible to use as a ser

DIS: Never mind.

2007-11-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Of course, /right/ after I send that out, I remember that another batch of Red Marks were platonically awarded about an hour ago. Corrections coming up shortly.

DIS: Violet VC status update

2007-11-27 Thread Ed Murphy
As of the last Herald's report (June 21), these players were already recorded as having Long Service titles: Three Months Long Service: Goddess Eris, Goethe, Sherlock Six Months Long Service: Michael, Murphy, OscarMeyr, root, Sherlock Nine Months Long Service:Michael, Murphy, OscarMe

DIS: Re: BUS: Help?

2007-11-27 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 18:07:44 Levi Stephen wrote: > Josiah Worcester wrote: > > I would like to encourage everyone to vote against my first, somewhat > > malformed proposal entitled "No decay!" (5323) So, I will grant 100 blue > > marks to all who vote against it (regardless of his or her

DIS: Re: BUS: Help?

2007-11-27 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 18:03:47 comex wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: > > I would like to encourage everyone to vote against my first, somewhat > > malformed proposal entitled "No decay!" (5323) So, I will grant 100 blue > > marks to all who vote against it (regar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hell, why not?

2007-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2007 5:33 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You forgot that retraction may or may not have passed for some reason. I think the problem to which Zefram has alluded is that the resolution of proposals 5296, 5300, 5301, and 5302 included incorrect tallies of the votes, and the subsequ

DIS: Re: BUS: Hell, why not?

2007-11-27 Thread comex
On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: > I retract this, and submit the same CFJ, except that I bar Zefram from > judging it. You forgot that retraction may or may not have passed for some reason. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

DIS: Re: BUS: Hell, why not?

2007-11-27 Thread comex
On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: > I CFJ on the following statement: sentencing someone to APOLOGY without > giving a set of prescribed words means that the apology has a null set > of prescribed words. > Example: > "I sentence comex to APOLOGY." You beat me to it. signature

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1783: recuse, assign OscarMeyr

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Josiah Worcester wrote: >That's the first I saw of that indication. Here's (excerpts of) the message in my Agora mailbox: |Received: from yzma.clarkk.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) | by yzma.clarkk.net (Postfix) with ESMTP | id 2511780725; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:42:06 -0600 (CST) |Delivered

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1783: recuse, assign OscarMeyr

2007-11-27 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 17:20:46 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Nov 27, 2007 5:14 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's the first I saw of that indication. I blame you for my loss of VCs (if > > any). > > http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2007-Novem

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1783: recuse, assign OscarMeyr

2007-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2007 5:14 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's the first I saw of that indication. I blame you for my loss of VCs (if > any). http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2007-November/008101.html The message was in the public forum, so it doesn'

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1783: recuse, assign OscarMeyr

2007-11-27 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 17:10:23 Zefram wrote: > Josiah Worcester wrote: > >You cannot recuse. I sentenced him to APOLOGY. This case is already closed. > > As I indicated at the time, APOLOGY alone is not a valid sentence. > APOLOGY must be accompanied by a set of prescribed words. The empty

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1783: recuse, assign OscarMeyr

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Josiah Worcester wrote: >You cannot recuse. I sentenced him to APOLOGY. This case is already closed. As I indicated at the time, APOLOGY alone is not a valid sentence. APOLOGY must be accompanied by a set of prescribed words. The empty set is valid, but (as I interpret it) must be stated explicit

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1783: recuse, assign OscarMeyr

2007-11-27 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 09:17:55 Zefram wrote: > I hereby recuse pikhq from CFJ 1783. I hereby assign OscarMeyr as judge > of CFJ 1783. > > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1783 > > == CFJ 1783 == > > Type:

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2007 1:57 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like if I was to introduce myself as "deregister"... :< That sentence at least would have an interpretation that doesn't require either making up semantics for a word or restructuring the sentence. -root

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread comex
On 11/27/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless I left out a different word and am introducing myself as "swing > the mightily". :-) Like if I was to introduce myself as "deregister"... :<

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2007 1:37 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/27/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And if I were to say "I swing the mightily", are you to understand > > that a "mightily" is an object, or that I'm swinging something in a > > mighty manner and omitted a word? > Ambigu

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread comex
On 11/27/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And if I were to say "I swing the mightily", are you to understand > that a "mightily" is an object, or that I'm swinging something in a > mighty manner and omitted a word? Ambiguous, but it's unquestionably a sentence about swinging.

DIS: Re: BUS: Change of VC laws

2007-11-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Josiah Worcester wrote: I submit the following proposal, entitled "No decay!": avpx is a coauthor of this proposal. Interest index of 2. Adoption index of 2. Amend rule 2126 to read: It's not entirely clear to me where you intend the text of the proposal to start. If it starts

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2007 10:17 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nonsense. If I were to say "I transfer an nkep to pikhq", you should > reasonably be able to understand that an nkep is an object, although > since you don't know what it is the transfer couldn't be a valid game > action. And if I were

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-Thesis v2: 2007, the Year of the Partnership

2007-11-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: > Agreements have generally been seen as granting the members additional > powers and regulating the use thereof, but have not generally been seen > as enforcing obligations to perform specific previously-discussed > actions; the recently established equity co

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Nov 27, 2007 10:00 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree. Just because a nonsense word is used in a grammatical > context where one might reasonably expect a verb to appear does not > make it an action. Likewise, the statements "I transfer an nkep to > pikhq" and "I walk nkep"

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2007 9:50 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the definition of nkep and what occurs when you perform it are > largely irrelevant. The question is not "Is it possible to perform > nkep" or "what happens when I perform nkep" but "is it permissible to > perform nkep". Sinc

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1786a: recuse, assign BobTHJ, Levi, OscarMeyr

2007-11-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Nov 26, 2007 4:54 PM, levi.stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Benjamin Schultz wrote: > > > > On Nov 21, 2007, at 10:20 PM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > > > >> I am inclined to concur with Goethe's arguments as Appellant. Trial > >> Judge Goddess Eris's arguments do nothing to address the case

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agora's Child II

2007-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2007 7:05 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Josiah Worcester wrote: > >http://groups.google.com/group/agoras-child Voila. > > Does this operate as a mailing list? It doesn't seem to have any way to > subscribe other than by having a "Google Account", which is presumably > concerne

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >The question is not "Is it possible to perform >nkep" or "what happens when I perform nkep" but "is it permissible to >perform nkep". For the purposes of R2110, the most relevant question is "is nkep an action?". root's "what happens if I perform nkep?" tac

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Nov 27, 2007 9:43 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 27, 2007 9:32 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just because the action itself was nonsensical does not prevent the > > inquiry itself from being about permissibility. In my opinion this is > > an easy TRUE. > > So

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 27, 2007 9:32 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just because the action itself was nonsensical does not prevent the > inquiry itself from being about permissibility. In my opinion this is > an easy TRUE. So you claim that "to nkeplwgplxgioyzjvtxjnncsqscvntlbdqromyeyvlhkjgteaqnneq

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Nov 27, 2007 9:26 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >== CFJ 1805 == > >Statement: CFJ 1799 is an inquiry case on the permissibility of an action. > > Since the judge in CFJ 1799 already ruled that the statement in that > case was no

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: assign pikhq

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
>== CFJ 1805 == >Statement: CFJ 1799 is an inquiry case on the permissibility of an action. Since the judge in CFJ 1799 already ruled that the statement in that case was nonsensical, this should be an easy FALSE. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1801: assign comex

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >Pseudo-judgement: FALSE. You are overdue to deliver real judgement in CFJ 1801. -zefram

Re: DIS: Pseudo-judgement in CFJ 1800

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >Pseudo-judgement: CFJ 1800 <- TRUE You are overdue to deliver real judgement in CFJ 1800. -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-Thesis v2: 2007, the Year of the Partnership

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > Zefram attempted to >establish such an agreement with Murphy to dispose of the purported >Sparta CFJs, and presumably did establish such an agreement with pikhq. There was indeed an agreement between me and pikhq of the same form t

DIS: Re: BUS: AFO actions

2007-11-27 Thread comex
On 11/27/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are all excess CFJs, and I hereby refuse them. > > -zefram > They've all been retracted anyway.

Re: DIS: Lost :(

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Taral wrote: >Can someone post an updated ruleset? I'm lost. :( I will, sometime this week. I need to figure out which proposals were adopted in which order. I'm not convinced that all of them that Murphy has purported to resolve have been correctly resolved. Right now I'm concentrating on Prom

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: AC: Proposal redux

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Josiah Worcester wrote: >Retract *that*, and submit this ("No decay", AI=2, II=2, co-author is avpx): II=2 is not justified. -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Marks for one-time VLOP

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > d) A player may spend 10 Marks in each of N+1 different colors > to decrease another player's voting limit on a specified > ordinary proposal by N (to a minimum of zero). This will encourage duplication of contentious proposals, so that supporters' voting li

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: White VCs for mentors

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >Proposal: White VCs for mentors This makes it relatively easy for established players to get white VCs. I deliberately made them difficult to get. -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Delayed gratification

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > (+B) At the end of each week, each player who assigned a > judgement to at least one judicial question (other than a > question on sentencing) during that week without violating > a time limit gains one Blue VC. I prefer the present multiple-aw

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Change of VC laws

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
> * Change "N+1 to increase another player's VVLOP by N" >to "N to increase another player's VVLOP by floor(N/2)" > * Change "N+2 to increase your own VVLOP by N" >to "N to increase your own VVLOP by floor(N/3)" > * Change "N+1 to decrease another player's VVLOP by N" >to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agora's Child II

2007-11-27 Thread Zefram
Josiah Worcester wrote: >http://groups.google.com/group/agoras-child Voila. Does this operate as a mailing list? It doesn't seem to have any way to subscribe other than by having a "Google Account", which is presumably concerned with the Google Groups website. I've always found these groups impo