Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 21:36, Roger Hicks wrote: I missed this deposit the first time around (sorry ehird!). Murphy only had seven 7 crops to deposit, not 8. This effects the following subsequent PBA withdraw by comex: 2008-10-27 20:49 -- comex deposits 9 1 crops for ^117. comex withdraws 5 6 crops

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 18:02, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join the PBA. > I PBA-deposit all my 6 crops (I think this gets me ^156). I missed this deposit the first time around (sorry ehird!). Murphy only had seven 7 crops to deposit, not 8. This effects the following subsequent PBA wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 21:39, comex wrote: I agree to the following pledge: { This is a pledge. Bones are a currency. The Treasurer is the recordkeeper of Bones. Initially the Treasurer is comex. } Royal Bank of UNDEAD! -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:38, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> BobTHJ wrote: >> >>> If the Treasurer and the RBoA are both members of this contract, the >> >> And where is the Treasurer defined? >> > > Section 3 of t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:38, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BobTHJ wrote: > >> If the Treasurer and the RBoA are both members of this contract, the > > And where is the Treasurer defined? > Section 3 of the RBoA: { 3. Chits are a currency. The Treasurer is the recordkeeper of Chits. Init

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > If the Treasurer and the RBoA are both members of this contract, the And where is the Treasurer defined?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-23 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 18:02, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I RBoA-withdraw as many X crops as I can (I think this costs 825 chits). > I RBoA-withdraw as many WRVs as I can (I think this costs 1000 chits). These are both 0. > I intend to change the RBoA's coin exchange to 20. Intend all

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-23 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 14:14, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I RBoA-deposit 3 3 crops for 195 chits. > I RBoA-deposit 2 4 crops for 50 chits. > I RBoA-deposit 3 8 crops for 165 chits. +410 chits. You now have 415 chits total. > I RBoA-withdraw 2 C# credits for 110 chits. > I RBoA-withdraw

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-23 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23 Oct 2008, at 00:03, Ian Kelly wrote: I RBoA-deposit 154 coins for 1540 chits. I RBoA-withdraw 5 X crops for 825 chits. I destroy all my remaining chits. I leave all banks to which I am a party. -root Works fine. On 23 Oct 2008, at 01:02, Ed Murphy wrote: I have 482 chits, plus (* = D

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:35 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I RBoA-deposit 154 coins for 1540 chits. >> I RBoA-withdraw 5 X crops for 825 chits. >> I destroy all my remaining chits. >> I leave all banks to which I am a

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread comex
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I RBoA-deposit 154 coins for 1540 chits. > I RBoA-withdraw 5 X crops for 825 chits. > I destroy all my remaining chits. > I leave all banks to which I am a party. ? You just destroyed 65 coins' worth of chits?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23/10/2008, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I join the PBA. >>> I PBA-deposit all my 6 crops (I think this gets me ^156). >>> I RBoA-deposi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 23/10/2008, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I join the PBA. >> I PBA-deposit all my 6 crops (I think this gets me ^156). >> I RBoA-deposit all my coins (I think this gets me 1560 chits). >> I become a Banker. >> I RB

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join the PBA. > I PBA-deposit all my 6 crops (I think this gets me ^156). > I RBoA-deposit all my coins (I think this gets me 1560 chits). > I become a Banker. > I RBoA-withdraw as many X crops as I can (I think this costs 82

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:05, Ian Kelly wrote: Yes, and they always seem to get withdrawn by the same minority of coinholders, which suggests that in the PBA the slower-to-react players are just feeding the faster ones. No, it would seem like there aren't many Comrades at the moment and of thos

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Then what's the use? If it will never have the things that I want, >> what good are coins? >> > It has them sometimes, just doesn't stockpile. I'd like to point out > that the RBoA never attracts currencies whose exchange ra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 15:57 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 22 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Ian Kelly wrote: > > > >> but for some reason the PBA doesn't seem to have much of actual value. > > > > > > That's because PBA's design

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 22 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> but for some reason the PBA doesn't seem to have much of actual value. > > > That's because PBA's designed not to stockpile things which are very > valuable, like 2 > crops.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Ian Kelly wrote: but for some reason the PBA doesn't seem to have much of actual value. That's because PBA's designed not to stockpile things which are very valuable, like 2 crops. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, if you are creating an artificial shortage, someone with lots of > 1s can therefore make a profit at your expense by depositing them. Possibly. I would have liked to withdraw something more useful, but for some reason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 15:39 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for proving the point. The PBA is designed to reward people who > > fix the rates to be more correct, which is what you did just there. In > > other words, if a ra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for proving the point. The PBA is designed to reward people who > fix the rates to be more correct, which is what you did just there. In > other words, if a rate is too high, it creates an incentive to deposit > and bri

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 11:26 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > If this motion passes, I pledge to withdraw all coins from the bank > and distribute floor(C * R) coins to each chitholder, where C is the > number of coins withdrawn, and R is the ratio of that chitholder's > chits to the number of all chits in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 21:14, Ian Kelly wrote: I PBA-withdraw 7 1 crops for 113 coins. Thanks for improving the rates! The PBA is designed to reward you for that, and now you've made the rates better so it's good for all. However, that withdraw fails as it'd actually cost you 112 coins. -- e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 20:04, Ian Kelly wrote: Doesn't matter. The RBoA has a surplus of coins. Might as well put them to use, and if that temporarily reduces the available PBA assets as a side-effect, all the better. Yes, let's punish it for not being vulnerable to rate scams. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The PBA doesn't mind that, though. What you're doing is more or less > equivalent to the RBoA buying the PBA's assets itself; that just puts > the exchange rates up a bit, so depositing into the PBA is more > attractive. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:44 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the RBoA's exchange rate is much less than 10 times the PBA's > > exchange rate, and it has none of that currency, people are very > > unlikely to deposit that curren

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the RBoA's exchange rate is much less than 10 times the PBA's > exchange rate, and it has none of that currency, people are very > unlikely to deposit that currency in it, as they could have deposited in > the PBA instead

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:28 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:20 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I'd also like to point out that t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:20 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I'd also like to point out that the current exaggerated rate is quite >> > possibly correct.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:20 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd also like to point out that the current exaggerated rate is quite > > possibly correct. The PBA's designed to adjust exchange rates > > automatically, and I think it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd also like to point out that the current exaggerated rate is quite > possibly correct. The PBA's designed to adjust exchange rates > automatically, and I think it'll automatically adjust so that a Coin is > worth 10 Chits

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 19:16, Alex Smith wrote: I'd also like to point out that the current exaggerated rate is quite possibly correct. The PBA's designed to adjust exchange rates automatically, and I think it'll automatically adjust so that a Coin is worth 10 Chits if people withdraw and deposit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 12:11 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Er, I disapprove of this. It occurs to me that this would create even > >> more incentive to depo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Er, I disapprove of this. It occurs to me that this would create even >> more incentive to deposit new coins in the RBoA. > > Oh, wait. No, it creates less

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Taral
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Er, I disapprove of this. It occurs to me that this would create even > more incentive to deposit new coins in the RBoA. Oh, wait. No, it creates less incentive to deposit coins. You get less chits! -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTEC

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-22 Thread Taral
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Er, I disapprove of this. It occurs to me that this would create even > more incentive to deposit new coins in the RBoA. Yes... but it would reduce the number of chits they get. More importantly, it would stop the bank run.