On Thursday 16 Aug 2012 22:37:25 Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Brandon Watkins
wrote:
> > Doing it later does not necessarily "minimize" problems, in fact it
> > can sometimes exacerbate problems.
>
> No it doesn't, quite the opposite actually.
>
> Here, I'm going t
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 09:29:26PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Just received a second bogus 'unsubscribe confirmation request'.
>
> This begins to look like stalking. The request was sent from
> anonymouse.org, so whoever is doing this is a miserable coward
> apart from whatever else.
On Th
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:53:35AM +0530, gt wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 05:28:03PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
> > Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:08:53 +0200
> > schrieb Thomas Bächler :
> >
> > > This is a technical mailing list. If you want to discuss technical
> > > topics about Arch, you're in the
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 05:23:37PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:09:47PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
>
> > Also you're poll doesn't give any arguments for or against the move,
> > unedacted users should look into the benefits of moving to systemd.
>
> They should
Perhaps you're on the wrong distribution, Mr. Contreras. Based on the
wikipages on ArchLinux' philosophy, it's all about being simple, but
bleeding-edge, ahead-of-the-curve. According to one of the posts I've come
across, Systemd seems to be what other less-aggressive distributions are
using. Also,
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Kyle wrote:
> According to Rodrigo Rivas:
>
> Have you tried running "alsamixer -D hw" and see if there are any muted
>> channels in your hardware?
>>
>
> Master is at 87% normally. Once GDM runs, it zeros out and mutes. Also,
> once pulseaudio starts, the Maste
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 05:28:03PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:08:53 +0200
> schrieb Thomas Bächler :
>
> > This is a technical mailing list. If you want to discuss technical
> > topics about Arch, you're in the right place. If you want to state
> > your _opinion_, get yours
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:22:09AM -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
> >> Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:
also I may or may not have hit reply to on you nicholas if so I wasn't
directing that earlier comment towards you
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Nicholas MIller wrote:
> On Aug 16, 2012 10:04 PM, "Justin Strickland"
> wrote:
> >
> > A better solution would be for you to reinstall with a clea
wasn't attacking him personally, I simply meant to state there is most
likely an issue with his configuration and thus he should check a pure
systemd install be for spamming the ML with his inexperience, granted the
dev may or may not be a douche but thats still no execuse for not
exhausting all po
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
>> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>>> wrote:
>>> > This is so stupid that it's not even f
On 17 Aug 2012 06:42, "Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia" <
archli...@ishpeck.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 09:29:26PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > Just received a second bogus 'unsubscribe confirmation request'.
> >
> > This begins to look like stalking. The request was sent from
> > a
On 17 Aug 2012 02:05, "David C. Rankin"
wrote:
> In all of the discussion about systemd, all anyone should care about is:
>
> (1) Does systemd provide *needed* additional capabilities that are not
> currently available;
>
> (2) What are they?
>
> (3) What are the disadvantages of the switch?
On Aug 16, 2012 10:04 PM, "Justin Strickland"
wrote:
>
> A better solution would be for you to reinstall with a clean pure
install,
> then install systemd, and see if you run into the same solution which I
bet
> you won't, I'm calling pebkac and ID-107 until you've used systemd on a
> pure instal
A better solution would be for you to reinstall with a clean pure install,
then install systemd, and see if you run into the same solution which I bet
you won't, I'm calling pebkac and ID-107 until you've used systemd on a
pure install. if 9.99/10 users have no issue with a default systemd
ins
According to Rodrigo Rivas:
Have you tried running "alsamixer -D hw" and see if there are any
muted channels in your hardware?
Master is at 87% normally. Once GDM runs, it zeros out and mutes. Also,
once pulseaudio starts, the Master channel zeros out and mutes.
Also, once I had a similar p
Have you converted your system to /usr/lib? Last time I checked AUR
package was not updated.
Make sure your uwsusp package is updated to use /usr/lib. Make sure the
hook and the install script are updated to both reference correct
/usr/lib paths. Make sure your /etc/suspend.conf is correct at
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Kyle wrote:
> Working from the command line in a text-only console using espeakup, all
> is well, and sound works as it should. However, starting GDM mutes my sound
> card. If I go back to the text console and run
>
> sudo systemctl start alsa-restore
>
> Again, a
Working from the command line in a text-only console using espeakup, all
is well, and sound works as it should. However, starting GDM mutes my
sound card. If I go back to the text console and run
sudo systemctl start alsa-restore
Again, all is well in the text console until I login with GDM. I
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia <
archli...@ishpeck.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:08:50AM +0200, Rodrigo Rivas wrote:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
>
> I do not argue that software is good because it is old. I argue that
> softwar
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 09:29:26PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Just received a second bogus 'unsubscribe confirmation request'.
>
> This begins to look like stalking. The request was sent from
> anonymouse.org, so whoever is doing this is a miserable coward
> apart from whatever else.
>
>
I
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:09:47PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> Since when is archlinux a democracy?
Yeah, even tho' I hate systemd, even if "no" were winning that poll (which it's
not), I would say that the poll results should not be adhered to. Good
engineering and democracy don't often
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Nicholas MIller wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Myra Nelson
> wrote:
>
> > There has been much ado on the arch-general mailing list about the move
> to
> > systemd. I participated in part of it, but like others finally tired of
> > "seeing a dead horse k
> just a suggestion. Wouldn't tracking which packages where installed as
> optional dependencies be better? There could be a --as-optdeps option
> for example.
Do not forget about makedepends. Often you can't remember for what package
you install something in the orphans list as makedepend, or it'
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Myra Nelson wrote:
> There has been much ado on the arch-general mailing list about the move to
> systemd. I participated in part of it, but like others finally tired of
> "seeing a dead horse kicked" over and over and over. So much so that the
> last dev who real
Just received a second bogus 'unsubscribe confirmation request'.
This begins to look like stalking. The request was sent from
anonymouse.org, so whoever is doing this is a miserable coward
apart from whatever else.
Ciao,
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's a
There has been much ado on the arch-general mailing list about the move to
systemd. I participated in part of it, but like others finally tired of
"seeing a dead horse kicked" over and over and over. So much so that the
last dev who really paid attention to the list said goodbye. Yet the free
for a
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto <
denisfalqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> > wrote:
> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Felipe Contreras
> >> wrote:
>
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
> > Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> >> wrote:
> >> >
heh I don't believe they fully understand how things work.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 15.08.2012 11:21, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
> >> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
> >> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
> >
> >
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:08 PM, John K Pate wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>> wrote:
>> > This is so stupid that it's not even funny. You said that the problem
>> > was having CONFIG_HZ=300 and
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>>>
A big switch like this will have prob
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>>
>>> A big switch like this will have problems regardless of when you do it. Its
>>> best to do it soon and g
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> Doing it later does not necessarily "minimize" problems, in fact it can
> sometimes exacerbate problems.
No it doesn't, quite the opposite actually.
Here, I'm going to do something that you are not doing, not just make
an unsupported sta
On 08/16/2012 11:19 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/16/2012 09:59 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Note: Binaries are currently being finished and will be uploaded when
complete. Currently TDE 3.5.13-sru i686 is ready for testing. x86_64 will be
uploaded later today. R14 should be expected within
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Tobias Frilling
wrote:
> I think we all forgot the most fundamental rule in dealing with trolls:
>
> Do *not* feed the trolls!
>
> If you found someone guilty of being a troll, don't argue. Doesn't matter how
> wrong he is or how stupid his opinions, he won'
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Sander Jansen wrote:
> It's not exactly rocket science. Other forums and mailing lists have
> moderators and rules.
The alternative is not rocket science either; ignore the threads you
don't care about. And other mailing lists do that as well (e.g. LKML).
--
Fe
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Tom Rand wrote:
> look at the end of the day this is a place for archlinux support &
> discussions with dev's, this is why there are policies for this & other forms
> of
> communication with the dev's & users.
> it is not about free speach or whether this is auth
2012/8/16 Tobias Frilling
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> I think we all forgot the most fundamental rule in dealing with trolls:
>
> Do *not* feed the trolls!
>
> If you found someone guilty of being a troll, don't argue. Doesn't matter
> how
> wrong he is or how stup
Some funny bloke just sent me a bogus 'please confirm your request
to unsubscribe' message. Probably because I suggested that Lennart's
blog is not the ideal place to find unbiased information regarding
systemd if you want to inform yourself before participating in the
poll.
Which is just a fact,
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:59 PM, phani wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:10:38 +0530, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>
>> Replace "gold" with "willing and skills to help", and you're right.
>
> what strikes me is that pretty much all who have the skills, do the work,
> and make the decisions in (
Am Fri, 17 Aug 2012 01:56:57 +1000
schrieb Gaetan Bisson :
> Why would any of us care about your personal life?
>
> ...
>
> Your head must be such as mess if you can make sense of the above...
>
> ...
>
> Do either. And when you have five seconds please reflect on why none
> of us would read yo
> On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 18:54:24 Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > > Forking processes does not copy binaries.
> >
> > Pulled out of silence for the very very last time.
> >
> > It copies the parent which is much larger is what I meant. A real
> > problem for embedded where memory fragmentation matter
On Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:56:25 PM phani wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:47:12 +0530, Calvin Morrison
>
> wrote:
> > It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
> > statistical information gathering in order to better server their
> > customers.
>
> yeah, but in
On 08/16/2012 11:59 AM, Jérôme Bartand wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
> SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot of
> controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll to
> determine the will of t
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:10:38 +0530, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
Replace "gold" with "willing and skills to help", and you're right.
what strikes me is that pretty much all who have the skills, do the work,
and make the decisions in (almost) all the major distros came to the
conclusi
On 08/16/2012 07:59 PM, Jérôme Bartand wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
> SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot of
> controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll to
> determine the will of t
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:05:17 +0530, Nicholas MIller
wrote:
if we (arch linux users) managed to collect enough money to 'bribe' the
devs into doing what we want, this poll might have a point. as it is,
forget it.
I'd seriously consider giving a good bit for direct influence in how some
choic
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Nicholas MIller wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:26 PM, phani wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:47:12 +0530, Calvin Morrison <
>> mutanttur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
>>> statistical inform
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:05:17 +0530, Nicholas MIller
wrote:
if we (arch linux users) managed to collect enough money to 'bribe' the
devs into doing what we want, this poll might have a point. as it is,
forget it.
I'd seriously consider giving a good bit for direct influence in how some
choic
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:26 PM, phani wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:47:12 +0530, Calvin Morrison <
> mutanttur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
>> statistical information gathering in order to better server their
>> customers.
>>
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:47:12 +0530, Calvin Morrison
wrote:
It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
statistical information gathering in order to better server their
customers.
yeah, but in a business situation the customers actually pay the company
good mone
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:09:47PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> Also you're poll doesn't give any arguments for or against the move,
> unedacted users should look into the benefits of moving to systemd.
They should look at both the pros and cons. One problem with this
is that much of the the
heh this whole thread is hilarious, I believe upstream is eager to do so
just so people will stop complaining xD
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto <
denisfalqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
> wrote:
> > I know that
>
> It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or
> statistical information gathering in order to better server their
> customers.
yeah, but an open online poll is not statistics gathering, because you
don't have any way to ensure that you get a representative random
sam
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Øyvind Heggstad
wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:24 +0200
> Jérôme Bartand wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
> > SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot
> > of controver
On 16 August 2012 13:09, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/16/12 18:59, Jérôme Bartand wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
>> SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot of
>> controversy discussion on this list. I have
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:59:24 +0200
Jérôme Bartand wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
> SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot
> of controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll
> to determine
On 08/16/12 18:59, Jérôme Bartand wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
> SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot of
> controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll to
> determine the will of the co
Hi!
Yesterday I read on Phoronix that Arch devs are planning to switch to
SystemD, but many users are unhappy with this move. You can see a lot of
controversy discussion on this list. I have created an online poll to
determine the will of the community:
http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=502d211
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02:57PM +0200, fredbezies wrote:
> > Last threads on systemd was useless.
>
> I disagree. In the last thread, I had to really dig for outside information
> to understand both sides of the argument. My research and tinkering has lead
> me to the following valuable c
Am 15.08.2012 20:44, schrieb Tobias Powalowski:
> Hi guys,
> please signoff 3.4.9 series for both arches.
> package is not in testing, please grab it from here:
> http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/linux/
>
> This will move to [core] directly, because 3.5.2 is in [testing].
>
> greetings
> tpowa
anyon
On Aug 16, 2012 5:50 PM, "Calvin Morrison" wrote:
>
> On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
> >> > That's not more pragmatic,
> >>
> >> It is. Person X is annoying everyone, so person X can't post any
l
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Hi!
that is a great idea.
On Thursday 16 of August 2012 18:07:40 Chris Sakalis wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Karol Blazewicz
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joker-jar wrote:
> >> Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in
> >> pacman. For e
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Thomas Rand wrote:
> On 16 August 2012 13:48, mike cloaked wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Jameson wrote:
>>> On Aug 16, 2012 2:10 AM, "Thomas Rand" wrote:
I use gmail yet ooh I bottom post!
how
click reply
hold down ctrl+end
>>>
On 08/16/2012 09:59 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Note: Binaries are currently being finished and will be uploaded when
> complete. Currently TDE 3.5.13-sru i686 is ready for testing. x86_64 will be
> uploaded later today. R14 should be expected within a week.
3.5.13-sru x86_64 packages are avail
Am 16.08.2012 17:50, schrieb Calvin Morrison:
>
> This is sort of how I feel about Tom and other who have gotten very
> upset and taken leave of the list.
>
> http://xkcd.com/386/
>
I plead guilty.
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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:00:55PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> Right, but he has even said (along with others) that "nobody is gonna
> change their mind, who cares about them, they're just trolls..." to
> that effect.
>
> Why bother fighting something so stupid, if even you admit it is stupid?
On 16 August 2012 11:59, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:50:20AM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
>> On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
>> wrote:
>> > Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
>> > by other peoples' silliness.
[2012-08-16 09:47:11 -0600] Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia:
> Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
> by other peoples' silliness.
Let's all settle for a mediocre Internet and learn to cope with it.
--
Gaetan
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:50:20AM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
> wrote:
> > Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
> > by other peoples' silliness.
>
> This is sort of how I feel about Tom and other who have gotten ve
[2012-08-16 17:28:03 +0200] Heiko Baums:
> If I have concerns about systemd for good
> reasons, even if they are not "technical" but, say if you like,
> "personal"?
Why would any of us care about your personal life?
> Well, the "personal" concerns can easily become "technical"
> ones sooner or la
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:08:50AM +0200, Rodrigo Rivas wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
I do not argue that software is good because it is old. I argue that software
which is correct does not need to be changed.
On 16 August 2012 11:47, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
>> > That's not more pragmatic,
>>
>> It is. Person X is annoying everyone, so person X can't post any longer.
>
> You seem to be conflating pragmatism with bigotry.
>
>
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:15:36PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
> > That's not more pragmatic,
>
> It is. Person X is annoying everyone, so person X can't post any longer.
You seem to be conflating pragmatism with bigotry.
Those of us who are used to the internet don't get annoyed
by other peopl
Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:08:53 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler :
> This is a technical mailing list. If you want to discuss technical
> topics about Arch, you're in the right place. If you want to state
> your _opinion_, get yourself a blog.
And if this opinion is about something going on (for the bet
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Chris Sakalis wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Karol Blazewicz
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joker-jar wrote:
>>> Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in
>>> pacman. For example, sometimes you need to instal
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> Am 16.08.2012 14:14, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, fredbezies wrote:
I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008),
>
Am 16.08.2012 16:57, schrieb Heiko Baums:
> Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:22:58 +0200
> schrieb Thomas Bächler :
>
>> So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
>> remove the offending posts.
>>
>> The problem here are a small handful of people who start flames and
>> spread F
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:22:58 +0200
> schrieb Thomas Bächler :
>
>> So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
>> remove the offending posts.
>>
>> The problem here are a small handful of people who start flames and
>
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Karol Blazewicz
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joker-jar wrote:
>> Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in
>> pacman. For example, sometimes you need to install packages as a optional
>> or makedepend. I always do it with
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:02:57PM +0200, fredbezies wrote:
> Last threads on systemd was useless.
I disagree. In the last thread, I had to really dig for outside information to
understand both sides of the argument. My research and tinkering has lead me
to the following valuable conclusions:
> Will the two versions conflict with eachother? Will there be any KDE4
> conflicts?
>
> Thanks
> Calvin
>
(Install either 14.0.0 or 3.5.13, but not both at the same time. R14 should
install with KDE4, but the libart-lgpl conflict needs to be fixed. I don't
recommend installing both 3.5.13-sru
Am Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:22:58 +0200
schrieb Thomas Bächler :
> So you're saying that instead of fixing the problem, every user should
> remove the offending posts.
>
> The problem here are a small handful of people who start flames and
> spread FUD. Banning a handful of people from the list is an
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:29:32PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Vytautas Stankevičius
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
> > wrote:
> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler
> >> wrote:
> >>> I want to squash the noise
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joker-jar wrote:
> Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in
> pacman. For example, sometimes you need to install packages as a optional
> or makedepend. I always do it with --as-deps key. Later, when you run
> "pacman -Qdt" to see and
Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in
pacman. For example, sometimes you need to install packages as a optional
or makedepend. I always do it with --as-deps key. Later, when you run
"pacman -Qdt" to see and cleanup orphan packages you can't distinguish
really orphan
On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 18:54:24 Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > Forking processes does not copy binaries.
>
> Pulled out of silence for the very very last time.
>
> It copies the parent which is much larger is what I meant. A real
> problem for embedded where memory fragmentation matters to the point
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>
>> A big switch like this will have problems regardless of when you do it. Its
>> best to do it soon and get the teething issues over with. For most people
>> systemd seems to wor
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>
> > A big switch like this will have problems regardless of when you do it.
> Its
> > best to do it soon and get the teething issues over with. For mo
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200
Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
> > This is so stupid that it's not even funny. You said that the problem
> > was having CONFIG_HZ=300 and systemd. I said it is not, because I also
> > have that situat
On 16 August 2012 15:27, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandre Ferrando
> wrote:
>> On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
>>> independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
>>
>> I guess you've
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> A big switch like this will have problems regardless of when you do it. Its
> best to do it soon and get the teething issues over with. For most people
> systemd seems to work fine and is production ready (also evidenced by the
> fact that
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman
> wrote:
> > On 16 August 2012 01:21, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
> >> So, if you *already* know that there are problems, why not wait?
> >> What's wrong with
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Vytautas Stankevičius
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>>> I want to squash the noise that has turned this list from a helpful and
>>> nice place to discuss with develope
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandre Ferrando wrote:
> On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
>> independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
>
> I guess you've reported it to kernel devs, right...?
Why would I? It's a b
On 16 August 2012 09:19, Vytautas Stankevičius wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>>> I want to squash the noise that has turned this list from a helpful and
>>> nice place to discuss with developers and u
On 16 August 2012 15:16, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists
> independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not.
I guess you've reported it to kernel devs, right...?
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> I want to squash the noise that has turned this list from a helpful and
>> nice place to discuss with developers and users into the place it has
>> been the last few days.
>
> That
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