Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-05 Thread Peter Cannon
On 04/01/12 23:26, Peter Lewis wrote: Nice to see that Godwin's Law [1] still applies on "proper" mailing lists in 2012 ;-) Happy new year folks! Pete. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_la Ahahaha +1

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Don Juan
On 01/04/2012 05:11 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: On Jan 4, 2012 6:26 PM, "Peter Lewis" wrote: On Wednesday 04 Jan 2012 16:16:45 Jonathan Vasquez wrote: Never said the entire community was a democracy, I did say thought that like a democracy people vote for the packages to be included. You are r

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Jan 4, 2012 6:26 PM, "Peter Lewis" wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 Jan 2012 16:16:45 Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > > > Never said the entire community was a democracy, I did say thought > > > that like a democracy people vote for the packages to be included. > > > You are right, that the Trusted Users h

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Peter Lewis
On Wednesday 04 Jan 2012 16:16:45 Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > > Never said the entire community was a democracy, I did say thought > > that like a democracy people vote for the packages to be included. > > You are right, that the Trusted Users have the final say on what > > packages get included, I n

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Don Juan
On 01/04/2012 01:04 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Don Juan wrote: On 01/04/2012 08:14 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 03:25:40 -0500 Jonathan Vasquezwrote: [...] Just because a person didn't go to medical school, doesn't mean that they can resea

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Allan McRae wrote: Are you sure TUs pay attention to votes (apart from the minimum required >> number)?  I always just pulled the packages I wanted... >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repos

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 05/01/12 07:14, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Karol Blazewicz >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Vasquez >>> wrote: That's how democracy works. By listening to it's citizens. Same

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Allan McRae
On 05/01/12 07:14, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Karol Blazewicz > wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Vasquez >> wrote: >>> That's how democracy works. By listening to it's citizens. >>> Same goes with the AUR, and when people vote for packages >>> for

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Karol Blazewicz > wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Vasquez >> wrote: >>> That's how democracy works. By listening to it's citizens. >>> Same goes with the AUR, and when people vote for pa

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Vasquez > wrote: >> That's how democracy works. By listening to it's citizens. >> Same goes with the AUR, and when people vote for packages >> for inclusion into the community repo > > Errr, no. It'

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > That's how democracy works. By listening to it's citizens. > Same goes with the AUR, and when people vote for packages > for inclusion into the community repo Errr, no. It's still up to devs and TUs to include a package in the repos. Also

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Don Juan wrote: > On 01/04/2012 08:14 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote: >> >> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 03:25:40 -0500 >> Jonathan Vasquez  wrote: >> >>> [...] >>> >>> Just because a person didn't go to >>> medical school, doesn't mean that they can research and learn anything >>>

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Don Juan
On 01/04/2012 08:14 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 03:25:40 -0500 Jonathan Vasquez wrote: [...] Just because a person didn't go to medical school, doesn't mean that they can research and learn anything in the field of medicine. That logic is ridiculous, and as we have and will exp

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 03:25:40 -0500 Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > [...] > > Just because a person didn't go to > medical school, doesn't mean that they can research and learn anything > in the field of medicine. That logic is ridiculous, and as we have and > will experience in our lives, applies towar

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > You are misunderstanding my goals and what I've said. > > I said that I'm trying to help people find and use Arch. Whether they > are expert users from other distros, or they are Noobies who are > "willing to read documentation". If a perso

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Stefan Wilkens
2012/1/4 Angel Velásquez : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Again, as i've saying before, i don't know who the hell said that the > natural replacement of ubuntu is Arch .. out community is people who > like to read, and people who like to investigate .. not people who > like s

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Angel Velásquez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/12 09:54, Peter Cannon wrote: > On 04/01/12 03:25, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > > Carry on doing what *you* want not what others want you to do. I > too joined "The pain of making tea." that is Arch Linux due to the > statement that used to be

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: > > Ignorance should never be an excuse for a rude response, at least when > ignorance isn't accompanied by the obvious willingness to remain > ignorant. Epic quotation, coudn't agree more. And as Don said, I think that a Linux user doctor

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Don Juan
On 01/04/2012 05:52 AM, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: Think of Doctors. Sometimes when you feel sick, you go online and you try to do your due diligence. Trying to find out what is wrong with you (Diagnosing yourself), even though you aren't a doctor. But you try to do it anyways because searching for

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
> Think of Doctors. Sometimes when you feel sick, you go online and you > try to do your due diligence. Trying to find out what is wrong with > you (Diagnosing yourself), even though you aren't a doctor. But you > try to do it anyways because searching for information, and finding a > solution tend

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Peter Cannon
On 04/01/12 03:25, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: Carry on doing what *you* want not what others want you to do. I too joined "The pain of making tea." that is Arch Linux due to the statement that used to be on display; *Q)*When I run “pacman –sync” it comes up with “could not open sync database:rep

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Ray Rashif
On 4 January 2012 16:25, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > Think of Doctors. Sometimes when you feel sick, you go online and you > try to do your due diligence. Trying to find out what is wrong with > you (Diagnosing yourself), even though you aren't a doctor. But you > try to do it anyways because search

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Keits
On 11:21 Wed 04 Jan , Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Splitting the thread (sorry I use gmail, so it won't split for you > guys on mutt or whatever)... Nah, it's fine for mutt.

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Ross Hamblin
On 04/01/12 21:25, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > > Those are my worthless cents as well I suppose :). > Not so worthless I think. Is good to discuss this stuff in the open.

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Pham Bao Trung wrote: > @Jonathan Vasquez > > I must say that I totally support your point of view. I have seen some > TU/devs/geeky users showed bad temper, mocking on newb at #archlinux who > really came there to seek for help and wanted to switch to Arch. They j

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-03 Thread Pham Bao Trung
@Jonathan Vasquez I must say that I totally support your point of view. I have seen some TU/devs/geeky users showed bad temper, mocking on newb at #archlinux who really came there to seek for help and wanted to switch to Arch. They just made them go away rudely. Their point is that Arch is not for

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-03 Thread Don Juan
On 01/03/2012 07:25 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: I've been doing things to attract users to Arch. Whether they are newbs or not, because I want people to learn. As long as you have willi

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-03 Thread Alex Liu
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Arch's niche is about control and simplicity, and making it > 'newbie-friendly' (whatever that means) would compromise that. The 'whatever that means' part is, I think, the important aspect here. What does it mean? Is newbie-friendliness providi

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-03 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Vasquez >> wrote: >>> I've been doing things to attract users to Arch. Whether they are >>> newbs or not, because I want people to learn. As l

Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-03 Thread Jonathan Vasquez
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Vasquez > wrote: >> I've been doing things to attract users to Arch. Whether they are >> newbs or not, because I want people to learn. As long as you have >> willingness and determination to learn, that

[arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

2012-01-03 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: > I've been doing things to attract users to Arch. Whether they are > newbs or not, because I want people to learn. As long as you have > willingness and determination to learn, that is the important thing. > The resources are out there, peo