[ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca.

2007-04-16 Thread David Briggs
Dear all. I have recently solved a structure in-house, 2.8A, CuKa. I have a metal ion bound very obvious hepta-valent co-ordination, which would suggest either Ca or Mn. Neither was present in the crystallisation setup, but there was some Mg around, which has contaminants of both Ca & Mn. At 2.8A

Re: [ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca.

2007-04-16 Thread Kay Diederichs
David Briggs wrote: Dear all. I have recently solved a structure in-house, 2.8A, CuKa. I have a metal ion bound very obvious hepta-valent co-ordination, which would suggest either Ca or Mn. Neither was present in the crystallisation setup, but there was some Mg around, which has contaminants o

Re: [ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca.

2007-04-16 Thread Julie Bouckaert
Hey David, You can do Mn2+ identification by its anomalous diffraction using the Cu Kalpha radiation. Mn is an anomalous scatterer at Cu Kalpha (1.5418 A), despite being distant from its absorption edge (somewhere around 1.96 A if I remember well). I did this for a double-manganese bound ConA,

Re: [ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca.

2007-04-16 Thread Stephen Graham
Hi David, You can use Sheldrick's Calcium Bond Valence Sum to descriminate between metals (see Muller, P., Kopke, S., and Sheldrick, G. M. (2003) Acta Crystallogr., Sect. D: Biol. Crystallogr. 59, 32-37) even at low resolution. I have had good success with this method combined with estimation of

Re: [ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca.

2007-04-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
In cases like this I use the S atoms to calibrate the peak height. Of course it isnt definitive a) it is near the noise level, and b) peak height is very dependent on B factor.. But the ratio might distinguish between an atom with an f" of 1.3 or f"=2.8 Eleanor David Briggs wrote: Dear all.

Re: [ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca.

2007-04-16 Thread Jim Pflugrath
Although the peak height of S atoms can be used as an internal yardstick, one has to worry about differences in occupancy and possibly hetergeneous sites (i.e. Ca, Mn and Mg) which can confuse the interpretation of the results. On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Eleanor Dodson wrote: In cases like this I

Re: [ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca.

2007-04-16 Thread Miller, Mitchell D.
integrated values from both alternate positions. Regards, Mitch -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Graham Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:23 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca. Hi David,

Re: [ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca.

2007-04-16 Thread artem
Dave, Others have given many excellent suggestions :) I'd like to mention that to a protein biochemist such as myself, another obvious solution would be to take an aliquot of the protein for a metal analysis (via ICP or AA). ICP is more sensitive. Both Mn and Ca will light up the spectrum like new

[ccp4bb] Differentiating bound Mn & Ca - Summary

2007-04-17 Thread David Briggs
Dear all. Thanks to all of those who replied to my question, especially Clemens Vonrhein, who patiently helped me get SHARP up and running... Basically, there were 4 different ways suggested, with a few embellishments here and there. 1) Use Dano peak height. Taking the Dano peak height for intr