Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread David Briggs
Hi Ibrahim, On 04/06/07, Ibrahim M. Moustafa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, While reading a crystallographic paper describing the structure of an apo-protein and its complex I noticed that the authors described the space goup as P6122 for the unit cell: a=141.9, b=143.9, c=380.4

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes; a==b for P6i - prob. a typo.. B factors at 3.2A are hard to fix - it will depend on scaling convention to some extent.. Can you download the data and re-run refinement for your own satisfaction. If R ==Rfree for the complex then I suspect they did not transfer the FreeR flags from the

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Ibrahim M. Moustafa
Hi All, Thanks a lot for all reply with valuable inputs. In my original post: I meant a = b does not equal c. I used # for does not equal. Many asked where is that paper published! Actually the paper is under revision. When reading, I assumed the unit cell dimensions (or the space

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Edward A Berry
You have a good point there and I would be interested in hearing some other opinions, so I take the liberty of reposting- My instinctive preference is that each structure should be supported solely by the data that is deposited with it - (one dataset one structure) but in terms of good science

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Wouldn't the desirability of this depend on the extent to which the molecule has moved between the high-resolution and low-resolution datasets ? I would have thought that there was an effective information transfer between R-work and R-free once the rigid body movements became too large,

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 12:19, Edward A Berry wrote: You have a good point there and I would be interested in hearing some other opinions, so I take the liberty of reposting- My instinctive preference is that each structure should be supported solely by the data that is deposited with it -

[ccp4bb] B-factor Space gr questions!

2007-06-04 Thread Ibrahim M. Moustafa
Hi all, While reading a crystallographic paper describing the structure of an apo-protein and its complex I noticed that the authors described the space goup as P6122 for the unit cell: a=141.9, b=143.9, c=380.4 ! Could this be considered as a typo or I'm missing something here! the

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor Space gr questions!

2007-06-04 Thread Edward A Berry
Ibrahim M. Moustafa wrote: The last question: In the same paper, for the complex structure R and Rfree are equal (30%) is that an indication for improper refinement in these published structure? I'd love to hear your comments on that too. Several times I solved low resolution structures