Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800

2015-12-01 Thread Glen Slick
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:25 PM, devin davison wrote: > > Just figured id post about it here, to show my progress twords getting it > running. > > http://postimg.org/gallery/fztxjqbe/ Another tip: If you haven't done so already, remove the CPU console panel and check to see if there is still a Ni

Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800

2015-12-01 Thread Glen Slick
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:25 PM, devin davison wrote: > > I purchased a m7769 DSSI controller card online, so that is one more step > in the direction of getting the machine all together. Still waiting to find > the controller for the tape drive and a dssi hard drive, although they look > to be pre

Purchased a Microvax 3800

2015-12-01 Thread devin davison
I purchased a Microvax 3800 a few weeks ago. I have not really had the time to really take a good look at it until now. I still do not have the needed power cord to power it Up. Looks like a standard PC power cord with a notch in it. I found a place that sells them online, still waiting for it to

Re: [multicians] Emacs humor

2015-12-01 Thread Bruce Ray
(Pst - Henry Burkhardt III based Data General's original program editor on DEC's 1967 version incarnation of "TECO", and it is still still alive today...) On 12/1/2015 7:13 PM, Rich Alderson wrote: From: Johnny Billquist Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:44 PM Thanks for chiming in, Jo

RE: [multicians] Emacs humor

2015-12-01 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Johnny Billquist Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:44 PM Thanks for chiming in, Johnny! Keeps me from having to do it. :-) > But, of course, Emacs was not developed on Lisp machines. TECO was a DEC > edtior/language, and Emacs came about on PDP-10 machines. I think > originally with ITS

Re: [multicians] Emacs humor

2015-12-01 Thread jwsmobile
On 12/1/2015 5:43 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: Nice. But, of course, Emacs was not developed on Lisp machines. TECO was a DEC edtior/language, and Emacs came about on PDP-10 machines. I think originally with ITS, but it could also be ran on TOPS-20. About the cokebottle reference, here's th

Re: [multicians] Emacs humor

2015-12-01 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-12-02 02:43, Johnny Billquist wrote: Nice. But, of course, Emacs was not developed on Lisp machines. TECO was a DEC edtior/language, and Emacs came about on PDP-10 machines. I think originally with ITS, but it could also be ran on TOPS-20. I should probably correct myself right away. T

Re: [multicians] Emacs humor

2015-12-01 Thread Johnny Billquist
Nice. But, of course, Emacs was not developed on Lisp machines. TECO was a DEC edtior/language, and Emacs came about on PDP-10 machines. I think originally with ITS, but it could also be ran on TOPS-20. About the cokebottle reference, here's the quote from JARGON.TXT: COKEBOTTLE n. Any very

RE: Seattle free teletype??

2015-12-01 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Jason Howe Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 4:03 PM > Check out the 3rd picture > http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/zip/5340655886.html > Someone go get this -- I'm stuck at work with no car at the moment Our TTY specialist (who also works at the Communications Museum in Seattle)

Re: [multicians] Emacs humor

2015-12-01 Thread jwsmobile
This is a funny cartoon and subsequent discussion thread from the Multics discussion group about emacs. Names and personal info edited out due to archival by unknown parties of the list and that these folks might not want names and certainly not email addresses archived. Mentioning that not

Re: "Bounce buffer" copyright [was Re: flash (or ide) storage for unibus 11?]

2015-12-01 Thread John Robertson
On 12/01/2015 7:52 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-12-01 16:49, John Robertson wrote: On 11/28/2015 3:41 PM, Mouse wrote: Love that term, "bounce buffer" (I wrote a whole package to support them in a packet switch I did) - I'm officially adopting it, right now! :-) Hey - anything that anyo

Re: Oberon and the OberonStation (retro-style FPGA computing)

2015-12-01 Thread ben
On 11/23/2015 7:28 PM, William Maddox wrote: The revived 2013 re-issue of Niklaus Wirth's Oberon system is a joy to behold. If you've never heard of Oberon before, it is a minimalistic education-oriented language and operating system designed after Wirth had taken a (second) sabattical at PA

Re: Seattle free teletype??

2015-12-01 Thread Mike Ross
Already says 'teletype machine is gone'... Mike On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Jason Howe wrote: > Check out the 3rd picture > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/zip/5340655886.html > > > Someone go get this -- I'm stuck at work with no car at the moment > > > --Jason -- http://ww

Re: Seattle free teletype??

2015-12-01 Thread Geoff Oltmans
It's gone now! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 1, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Jason Howe wrote: > > Check out the 3rd picture > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/zip/5340655886.html > > > Someone go get this -- I'm stuck at work with no car at the moment > > > --Jason

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: > ... should be passive... > The same goes for the VT1XX option on > the VT100 which had two switches which one could set. I have a couple of the VT1XX 20mA options, if anyone is looking. New in Box. -ethan

Seattle free teletype??

2015-12-01 Thread Jason Howe
Check out the 3rd picture http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/zip/5340655886.html Someone go get this -- I'm stuck at work with no car at the moment --Jason

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread Mattis Lind
2015-12-01 20:58 GMT+01:00 Joseph Lang : > The current loop is actually "proper" . > There are 3 parts to current loop > 1) transmitter (switch) > 2) receiver (opto coupler in dec stuff) > 3) current source > > You will have problems if things don't match. An active transmitter has to > connect to

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread Joseph Lang
The current loop is actually "proper" . There are 3 parts to current loop 1) transmitter (switch) 2) receiver (opto coupler in dec stuff) 3) current source You will have problems if things don't match. An active transmitter has to connect to a passive receiver. Passive transmitter to active rec

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread Paul Koning
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:22 PM, william degnan wrote: > > ... > Sorry about the wording of my question. Thanks for the replies. I was > only able to get the VT50 to receive, I could not send. So I decided to > research the problem. I found the link above, the author of the page says > in effec

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread william degnan
> > > There is a DF11-F module that converts TTY to EIA and back again, 2 2-slot cards, cable,e tc. (Page 4-80 in the peripheral handbook from 73-74). The handbook did not indicate a specific PDP 11 from this time (05/10/35/40, etc) Anyway, the teletype is fine for now, I need to be able to save

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread william degnan
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Paul Koning > wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand the question correctly. That article clearly > points out the 20 mA wires, and presumably that's where your ASR33 is > connected. The VT50 comes (according

Re: Sector Interleave

2015-12-01 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-12-01 19:04, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-12-01 18:09, Paul Koning wrote: I suppose it's possible to do something like interleaving where consecutive sector addresses are not physically adjacent on the media. Come to think of it, that's exactly what the MSCP RX50 controllers do, si

Re: Sector Interleave

2015-12-01 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/01/2015 09:25 AM, Charles Anthony wrote: This meant that a command to "read sector 4" would return whichever sector 4 passed under the head first. If you did 'read sector 2', 'read sector 4' you would get the first one; 'read sector 6', 'read sector 4', you would get the second. Interleav

Re: Sector Interleave

2015-12-01 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-12-01 18:09, Paul Koning wrote: On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-12-01 02:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: ... DECtape never did interleaving that I know of. Sure it does. The DOS format, which was adopted

RE: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread tony duell
> The VT50 comes (according to the peripherals handbook) with a standard 20 mA > interface, optional RS232 interface. So it sounds like it would be a matter > of finding > where the 20 mA connector on the VT50 is, and plugging into that. > > Interestingly enough, the VT52 is listed as supporti

Re: Sector Interleave

2015-12-01 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 1 Dec 2015, Paul Koning wrote: On the subject of DECtape, and "keeping good track of things" -- DOS format DECtape has 510 bytes per tape block, the other two bytes are used as the link word. It's a bit like MSDOS FAT format (or CDC 6000 series, which did it 20 years earlier), but with

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > I'm not sure I understand the question correctly. That article clearly > points out the 20 mA wires, and presumably that's where your ASR33 is > connected. The VT50 comes (according to the peripherals handbook) with a > standard 20 mA inte

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread Paul Koning
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 9:14 PM, william degnan wrote: > > I have an 11/05 with ASR 33 for I/O. I am using the M9970 console card to > make the connection. I have loaded papertape BASIC into core (16K) and it > boots up from 000 000 to the TTY, I can type in programs, etc. > > Question - I'd li

Re: Sector Interleave

2015-12-01 Thread Charles Anthony
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > > On 2015-12-01 02:19, Paul Koning wrote: > >> > >>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Johnny Billquist > wrote: > >>> > >>> ... > >>> DECtape never did interleaving that I know of. >

Re: Sector Interleave

2015-12-01 Thread Paul Koning
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > On 2015-12-01 02:19, Paul Koning wrote: >> >>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> DECtape never did interleaving that I know of. >> >> Sure it does. The DOS format, which was adopted by RSTS, has 4

Re: "Bounce buffer" copyright [was Re: flash (or ide) storage for unibus 11?]

2015-12-01 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-12-01 16:49, John Robertson wrote: On 11/28/2015 3:41 PM, Mouse wrote: Love that term, "bounce buffer" (I wrote a whole package to support them in a packet switch I did) - I'm officially adopting it, right now! :-) Hey - anything that anyone writes is automatically copyrighted. I reali

Re: "Bounce buffer" copyright [was Re: flash (or ide) storage for unibus 11?]

2015-12-01 Thread John Robertson
On 11/28/2015 3:41 PM, Mouse wrote: Love that term, "bounce buffer" (I wrote a whole package to support them in a packet switch I did) - I'm officially adopting it, right now! :-) Hey - anything that anyone writes is automatically copyrighted. I realize you...may have been less than entirely se

Re: A stored collection piece is a Schrodinger's cat

2015-12-01 Thread Liam Proven
On 1 December 2015 at 01:12, Adrian Graham wrote: > The > ROM/RAM replacement board he sells is an excellent 40 pin toolkit to help > tracing faults in the vast majority of PETs so with the help of Dave and the > good folk here I've got life back into my most dead 4032. He's a smart and very hel

Re: Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread william degnan
On Nov 30, 2015 9:14 PM, "william degnan" wrote: > > I have an 11/05 with ASR 33 for I/O. I am using the M9970 console card to make the connection. I have loaded papertape BASIC into core (16K) and it boots up from 000 000 to the TTY, I can type in programs, etc. > > Question - I'd like to switc

Interfacing PDP 11/05 to VT 50

2015-12-01 Thread william degnan
I have an 11/05 with ASR 33 for I/O. I am using the M9970 console card to make the connection. I have loaded papertape BASIC into core (16K) and it boots up from 000 000 to the TTY, I can type in programs, etc. Question - I'd like to switch over to a VT 50 in 20ma mode. Not sure if this is poss