Re: Amiga Vendors?

2020-06-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 19:51, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > > From time to time I behave like a normal human and, for example, zip > channels on my cable tv. Few years ago, while stopping at their "see > what we have on offer to you, prospective viewer" kind of channel, it > cracked open and I

Re: Amiga Vendors?

2020-06-11 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 14:45, David Brownlee wrote: > > The big issue with the Hydra was its lack of cache coherency between > processors, which made conventional SMP somewhat... challenging. You > could do very cool multiprocessor stuff with it, just not in a > conventional SMP capable OS (I

Re: Amiga Vendors?

2020-06-11 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 13:41, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > > The 4000T that I have was built in May of '96, and it amazes me that there > was any kind of market for it in light of how widespread PCs on the desktop > had become by that time. Agreed. VideoToasters might have been the main

Re: Amiga Vendors?

2020-06-11 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 09:52, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > I'd say the Amiga really lost its shine around 20 years ago, about the > time Linux was getting serious and Windows 98 dominated the desktop. Unfortunately, yes, I think you're right. Ditto the Acorn RISC OS platform -- I know,

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-06-04 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sat, 23 May 2020 at 03:52, Richard Cini via cctalk wrote: > > You know, reading about this made me dig out the info I had on the Character > Oriented Windows ("COW") library. I was reading some of the docs and it > occurred to me that it operated much like Windows (probably Windows 1), but

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-06-01 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 01:57, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > A Tesla is a rather expensive electric car, a product of Elon Musk. > STARTING (minimal stripped down) at 40,000 pounds, and some models over > 80,000 pounds. > > Sell one of THOSE, and you can buy a car AND a lot of great computer >

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-31 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 19:56, Tony Duell wrote: > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:24 PM Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > There were also some pretty high-spec British microcomputers, but they > tended to flop owing to the price. Things like the HH Tiger (did it > ev

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-29 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 18:17, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > > > > And I have had earnest youngsters on Twitter and elsewhere very > > seriously tell me that _no_ language could even theoretically be > > immune to the problems of C, because _all_ languages are implemented > > in C at the lowest

Building an IBM 3270 terminal controller

2020-05-29 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
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Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-29 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 21:40, John Ames wrote: > Agreed. While I'm much more favorably disposed towards C than you are, > the increasing homogeneity of almost all modern languages is > discouraging and, I think, detrimental to the field as a whole. Forth > and Smalltalk alike were eye-openers

Re: PRIVATE: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-29 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 21:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, 26 May 2020, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > >>> I do not know what a "sheering section" means. > >> Typo: "cheering". :-) > > > > Aha! I still didn't know, but t

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-28 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 21:11, geneb wrote: > > CP/M was huge in the US, especially among the S-100 system users. It was > a pretty narrow window though - from probably 1978-1982. Kaypro had a > good portion of the market as well, but like pretty much all the other > manufacturers of CP/M

Re: Algol W [was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC]

2020-05-28 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 06:01, ben via cctalk wrote: > What keyboard are you using to get the fancy arrows? Unmodified IBM Model M from 1991 in my case. ⇒ is compose, equals, greater-than Snag is, I can't get one going the other way... I get less-than-or-equal-to etc: ≤ ≥ -- Liam Proven –

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-28 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 21:52, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > Well, *I've* heard of them, but I enjoy knowing about such things. Most > in the US do not. *Nod* Shame but it's fair enough. I think there is at the least an article (and possibly an entire university course module) comparing

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-28 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 21:35, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Well, there were some products whose role was to SHEAR THE SHEEP. > The Apple3 belonged in a shearing section. Maybe even the Lisa, although > that wasn't its intended role. (?) > When I taught C, we gave the course a prerequisite

Re: IBM 3178 keyboards available in MN

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 19:22, Chris Elmquist via cctalk wrote: > > A friend has unearthed approximately (5) of these IBM keyboards in his > dad's shed in MN. These are not PC keyboards but instead likely 3178 > terminal keyboards. They probably came out of 3M a very long time ago. > >

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 18:50, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > TO help save a few bits in everyone's mailbox, I will link to some docs: > > http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?f=4=1514 Whoah. OK, TMI for this dilettante. I think the only CBM kit that went through my home was a C16 I fixed for a

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 18:25, Tony Duell wrote: > > Err, the Acorn Atom could do colour at least in some graphics modes. > It used the 6847 video chip that turned up in the Tandy Color > Computer/Dragon. Maybe the base machine was monochrome video only, but > there was a PAL encoder board

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 17:49, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > > On 26 May 2020, at 12:57, Liam Proven via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > & the Isle of Man. :-) > > Suddenly your comments about Trash-80s and MSX machines makes perfect sense > too :) Fair enoug

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 20:53, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > Too late to fix silicon, the 6522 issue surfaced. What 6522 issue? This is way more depth about a machine I never owned than I personally ever knew, I have to admit... > Oh, and re-use all the VIC peripherals to save NRE costs! I

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 23:17, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > > > Wait, PETs didn’t have graphics and Tic Tac Toe didn’t exist? Where did you > LIVE? The _name_ was new to me. & the Isle of Man. :-) -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk –

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 20:51, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > Quite a few Australians might not share your view that Dick Smith was > ‘niche’, Europeans may, largely because they’ll have never heard of him in > Europe. For proper niche see the RCA-1802 powered COMX-35. I do remember the

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 20:49, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > I apologise for offending you. Sloppiness and insnesitivity on my part, > not a deliberate attempt. Just saddened, Fred, not offended. I never had a ZX81, but the door-wedge joke is as old as the machine. I think its historical

Re: 3 stylewriter printers available for pickup only, Fairfield, IA

2020-05-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 20:42, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > I find Gmail > sends a lot of group posts and replies straight to the spam folder. If you filter ClassicCmp.org replies into a folder, then there is a checkbox in the "filter messages like these" screen that says "never mark as

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 20:22, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > > I hadn't thought about IBMCACHE.SYS in *years*. I wrote it in its > entirety (there's even a patent that covers some of its operation). I > was in an AdTech (Advanced Technology) group at the time and was > looking at how to make disk

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

2020-05-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 05:30, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > I played briefly with Xenix on an XT (or MAYBE an AT) on a 15MB? drive > partition. MS-DOS was a better match for that hardware. Never tried Xenix on an XT, but it was the 2nd OS on my PC-AT in my first ever job. That machine was

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 05:14, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > The serial interface would have been fast enough, if the MOS folks had > talked to the design team about the bug and squashed it early. But, they > did not, and on the VIC-20, which did not expect to move many drives, no > one cared.

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 03:42, Richard Cini wrote: > > Thanks Liam. Oberon is pretty interesting. I may download that just to see it > in action. I’ve used a ton of 3Com cards so the setup program is pretty > familiar. I haven’t used DESQview, well, since I had it installed on my > Compaq

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sat, 23 May 2020 at 22:24, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Sat, 23 May 2020, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > It is pretty much the *same* BASIC in the PET, VIC-20 and C64. It got > > trivial adjustments for the hardware, but bear in mind: the PET had no > > graphi

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-23 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sat, 23 May 2020 at 03:52, Richard Cini via cctalk wrote: > > You know, reading about this made me dig out the info I had on the Character > Oriented Windows ("COW") library. I was reading some of the docs and it > occurred to me that it operated much like Windows (probably Windows 1), but

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-23 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 21:56, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Microsoft did a BASIC for the Commodore PET. I wasn't aware that they did > the C64. It is pretty much the *same* BASIC in the PET, VIC-20 and C64. It got trivial adjustments for the hardware, but bear in mind: the PET had no

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-23 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 21:34, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > Confused here. Pirates or Micosoft history? > Runs. Yes. He meant that PoSV is a fictionalised, sanitised, MS-approved account and not very reliable. As is MS' own history. Written by the winners, etc. However, I'd say PoSV will give

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-23 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 19:50, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > Recently found a movie Pirates of Silicon Valley which had some of early > > Microsoft history > > It is a work of fiction, and should be taken as such. You're right, but it contains the broad strokes of the story, more or less

Re: Keyboard inverters/converters for terminals

2020-05-22 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 18:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Similarly, I have a few 3.25" drives. NO, not 3.5"; not 3.0". 3.25" was > the entry in the "shirt pocket disk" wars that Dysan bet the company on. > (remember their disks?)Another discussion. I remember the Zenith Minisport, a

Re: Keyboard inverters/converters for terminals

2020-05-22 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 05:26, Rico Pajarola via cctalk wrote: > > > The whole concept of "if the plug fits, it will at least not blow up" is > kind of a late invention. Ha! I have an old external 3.5" IDE disk enclosure. It's a good enclosure, too -- Firewire 800 _and_ USB 2 _and_ eSATA. It has

Re: SEL 810A running lunar lander

2020-05-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 03:53, Eric Moore via cctalk wrote: > > https://youtu.be/L743MjJthHY > > I recently got my SEL 810A working. I hope you guys enjoy the video :). Very nifty indeed. Shared with the VCC on FB so you may see a few more viewers from there! :-) -- Liam Proven – Profile:

Re: Game Of Life, John H. Conway

2020-04-30 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 23:05, Kyle Owen via cctalk wrote: > > I also wrote a version for the PDP-8; I was sure someone else had beat me > to it (an assembly version, that is), but I didn't find any versions online > other than for BASIC and FOCAL—neither of which supported very many cells > nor

Re: pdp11/05 key?

2020-04-11 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 13:55, Chris Elmquist wrote: > > This might be one of those jokes that if you have to explain it, it looses > the punch ... but I’ll try, > > There used to also be something called a Hong Kong Whore House, similarly > staffed with young Asian women, but they didn’t make

Re: pdp11/05 key?

2020-04-11 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 04:05, Chris Elmquist via cctalk wrote: > > CDC had a memory manufacturing facility in SE Asia, staffed with mostly young > Asian women. > An older colleague at ETA helped set it up (he just passed away; RIP Carl). > > He called it the Hong Kong Core House. There's a few

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-06 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 11:28, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > Speaking of COBOL and Admiral Grace Hopper, I have one of her actual > nanoseconds, a piece of insulated solid wire about 11.2 inches long, when > she was a Superintendent's guest lecturer. Since I was a Navy MSCS > student, she

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-05 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 23:02, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > I'm reminded of a T-shirt company that was around when I was in college, > named "Outer products". They had various math and physics related shirts, > for example with Maxwell's equations (your choice of differential or integral >

Re: Identifying Machine for DEC Memory

2020-04-03 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 18:00, Warner Losh wrote: > > Thanks! Nice talk! I wish I'd stuck around but I was kinda fried after my > talk... I understand. I was the same, and went to the café for a couple of beers. :-) > Surprised you didn't mention that we had 80 column xterms due to 24x80 25x80

Re: Identifying Machine for DEC Memory

2020-04-02 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 21:26, Warner Losh wrote: >> > Now I'm going to have to find that talk... :) I was at FOSDEM, but too > preoccupied with my own talk to go to other talks and run the room too full > gauntlet. I know. Your talk was directly before mine in the same room, and I

Re: Identifying Machine for DEC Memory

2020-04-01 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 17:24, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > BTW, nice talk at FOSDEM 2020, I was there. :) Oh wow! Thank you! *Blushes* :-) -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com

Re: Identifying Machine for DEC Memory

2020-04-01 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 16:13, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > This is the listing: > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VIntage-DEC-VS4000-memory-SIMM-50-19464-02/223624600040 That is... not very informative. :-( I also note that the listing just says VS4000 and does not specify a model. It could be one of 5

Re: Identifying Machine for DEC Memory

2020-04-01 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 09:08, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > > I mistakenly bought some memory thinking it was for a VAXstation 4000 VLC. > It turns out that it isn't. It physically fits a VAXstation 4000 Model 60, > but putting it in that machine the machine fails to power up. The part > number

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-11 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 at 17:46, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > A company may close down, but that doesn't mean it is "gone" as far as its > property is concerned. Ownership passes to others, perhaps creditors or the > like, or the majority shareholder. Who that is may be quite hard to find

Re: stuff for sale - recent move

2020-03-03 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 17:58, Joseph Zatarski via cctalk wrote: > > I've started inventorying a lot of the stuff I'd like to pass on here: > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19vhF-o6vx9g7l-D8cvLJ5OPJzpdmU9PTTknbxY-mY58/edit?usp=sharing I can't see these in the Google sheet, for some reason:

Re: stuff for sale - recent move

2020-03-03 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 07:13, Kevin Lee via cctalk wrote: > > Hi. > > I forgot to mention it’s an eye phone > 11 PRO 256gb. I may be missing something -- *what's* an "eye phone"? I thought you were listing vintage kit, not smartphones? -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven

Re: Old tape data retrieval

2020-02-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 03:49, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > Hoo boy. I'll throw my experience in and see if you can avoid nausea... > > First of all, you don't need a special controller to run most floppytape > drives, nor do you need to give up a floppy drive to use them--they > don't use

Re: HP 9000 Series 360 Thin LAN

2020-02-24 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 19:20, Roger Addy via cctech wrote: > > I'm > wondering if it's possible to connect it to a modern ethernet network? Run a single piece of thin Ethernet into the back of an old 10base-T hub. Cable the hub into a modern switch. Job done. -- Liam Proven - Profile:

Re: Larry Tesler

2020-02-19 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 16:10, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > https://www.cultofmac.com/685669/larry-tesler-the-apple-employee-who-invented-cut-copy-paste-dies-at-74/ > > https://twitter.com/cdespinosa/status/1229996808052469760 Oh no. :-( "Don't mode me in!" I saw him speak, just once... --

Re: Sun external SMD cables

2020-02-15 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 23:43, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > PS I forgot to thank Liam for offering assistance, so thanks, Liam. You're very welcome. Sorry I misunderstood and couldn't help. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google

Re: Sun external SMD cables

2020-02-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 00:42, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > > Liam, he's looking for SMD, which need a Bus and Radial. One Bus can > daisy chain from drive to drive, and us usually 60 pin. The radial RF > cables are usually 26 pin ribbon. A separate cable from the controller > to each

Re: Sun external SMD cables

2020-02-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 19:06, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > I supplied part numbers. How can I be more specific? Oddly, some of us do not have a mental look-up table of Sun part numbers. In fact I think I can safely say that I could not identify a single cable of any form for any machine ever

Re: Sun external SMD cables

2020-02-13 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 18:46, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > > Anyone here have a set of Sun external SMD cables (530-1079 and 530-1080) > that they can loan or want to sell? > > I ordered from a set from MemoryX at the beginning of Jan. They haven’t > arrived and MemoryX isn’t answering my

Design flaw in the SCSI spec?

2020-01-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
With his express permission, I'm forwarding a mail from a public list. I am interested in Gene's comments about the design of SCSI, but I don't know enough electronics to judge. I thought others here might. I have trimmed the mail a little to the relevant parts. -- Liam Proven - Profile:

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 3

2020-01-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 02:00, Stefan Skoglund wrote: > > Well in some way or another i got a copy with the book to Sweden. > > Ran it from 1999 to 2002 or so (got a SGI challenge S as NetBSD machine > and a pc as a linux machine at that time in 2002 or so.) > > Host was a 6100 with the Apple tilt

Re: OpenStep Solaris

2020-01-07 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 06:25, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > On 1/6/20 3:53 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > Any screeenshot galleries or better still videos anywhere? > > I found this photo that I took - > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZjYMdZZrIygvsQas9b40QWW7uNxM

Re: OpenStep Solaris

2020-01-06 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 00:22, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > I demoed OpenStep Solaris on top of CDE in my last exhibit at VCF PNW. > It could be awkward trying to figure out where to look for application's > menu. Just to make things extra ugly, I ran MAE (Macintosh Application > Environment)

Re: OpenStep Solaris

2020-01-06 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 00:12, Chris Hanson wrote: > > Not quite! Sun was a participant in creating the OpenStep standard (the NS > class prefix stands for “NeXT/Sun”) and *created their own implementation* of > OpenStep for Solaris. (Just as GNUstep is an independent implementation of > the

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 3

2020-01-05 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 23:30, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: > > Yes. We first started with Mach 3.0 build MK58. We did our final > fork at MK68. We made some *significant* changes from what CMU > had (things like changing mach messages from IPC to RPC) and a > whole lot of work in the area of

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 3

2020-01-05 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:58, Steven M Jones via cctalk wrote: > > Just to clarify, the reference to "i810 RISC" should be the i860 > ("N-10"), their second general-purpose RISC design - versus the 960MX > from the BiiN project with Siemens in the mid-80s as their first (?), > which would become

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 3

2020-01-05 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 19:02, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: > > I had been working on the IBM Microkernel (was one of the original 6 > people onthat team). It was eventually to form the basis of OS/2 for > PPC. The way thatthe microkernel project was structured was that most > of the "OS" was

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 3

2020-01-05 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-01-03 at 12:00 -0600, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: > > On 1/2/2020 1:35 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > > > > > Anyone done anything with Netware *for PowerPC*? Allegedly > > > > > there was > > > > >

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-12-31 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 07:51, Nemo via cctalk wrote: > > Would you have the citations handy? I would be interested to read that. I thought the same thing! -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com

Re: Mac 3.5" floppies for anyone who wants them

2019-12-16 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 at 18:05, David Barto wrote: > > And claimed. Oh! Well, that was quick. :-) -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44

Re: Mac 3.5" floppies for anyone who wants them

2019-12-16 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 at 17:52, David Barto via cctalk wrote: > > Last retry. I’ve still got them and if anyone wants them, let me know. May I pass this message on, e.g. to one of the many LowEndMac groups? Anonymised if you prefer. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email:

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 18:29, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/27/19 7:13 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > Okay, you're right and I'm wrong. Everyone should play games on their > 8 bit computers because they'll grow up to be real computer scientists. Play,

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 15:47, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > No, I meant "commercially viable" computers. [1] You didn't say that, though. [2] If it sells enough units for someone to make a living off it, that is the _definition_ of "commercially viable". As such, my first link qualifies.

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 04:02, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > Other than in very low-level MCUs, I don't see 8 bit micros making a > comeback. And 32/64 bits seems to be the rule for MCUs today. You might be surprised. E.g. https://rc2014.co.uk/ (selling strongly, I believe)

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 05:38, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > One of my special tours at the CHM is "Mistakes That Kept Getting Repeated" That is something I would _really_ like to hear. Sadly I am on the wrong continent for it and that's not likely to change in the foreseeable future. Between

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-24 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 at 23:07, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > > The first Internet message was sent 60 yrs. ago on Nov. 21 between SRI and > UCLA. 50, not 60. https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/internet-50-years/ Source: ARPA.

Re: message from andrew (was 3270 controller simulation)

2019-11-19 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 02:46, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > Please feel free to copy the above to the mailing list - I definitely > want to join (do you know if it is possible to join with a GMail > account, the last I heard was I was waiting to be approved) It absolutely is -- that's how I use

Re: Question about "Distributed" in the DFT name.

2019-11-19 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 19:24, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/18/19 11:10 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > For example, I'm not sure anyone would call VMS an open system, yet > > clearly it's distributed (VAXcluster). > > What is "open" in this context? Is it open source? Is it open >

Re: Repurposing cable for IBM Model M Keyboard

2019-11-06 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 16:50, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: > > Maybe buy a more modern cable and hack that instead?: > > https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F283062451183 That's pretty cool, actually. I have about ½ dozen Model Ms and most of my

Re: Repurposing cable for IBM Model M Keyboard

2019-11-06 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 15:31, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > > However, I now have a pang of conscience about hacking around with a > perfectly good cable, particularly if they are uncommon. How common are > these cables? I don't know for sure but I've certainly seen people looking for them. Not

Re: TI994/A Power Supply

2019-11-04 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 06:59, Kevin Parker via cctalk wrote: > > > These voltages appear to neatly align with most PC power supplies so I > should be able to tap into an old AT power supply of which I have quite a > few. The PSU apparently outputs AC, not DC, which is unusual... but a PC PSU can

Re: 50 yrs. ago today

2019-10-30 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 03:34, allison via cctalk wrote: > > The whole story of what was going on was far more complex and interesting. Conceded. > Funny thing was DECnet was in 1983 the largest world wide network > period. By then is was well over 300 nodes and climbing fast. > And none of it

Re: 50 yrs. ago today

2019-10-29 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 at 17:32, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > 50 years ago, inter-computer communication was common enough that it was > a standard option in most vendors' catalogs. > > Maybe you've got a digit wrong? Tim Berners-Lee says it's the 50th anniversary of the first internet

Re: [Simh] Fwd: VAX + Spectre

2019-09-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 02:19, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > ... > Speaking of timing, that reminds me of two amazing security holes written up > in the past few years. Nothing to do with the Spectre etc. issue. > > One is the recovery of speech from an encrypted VoIP channel such as Skype,

Re: Vulnerabilities (Was: [Simh] Fwd: VAX + Spectre

2019-09-17 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 21:09, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > One student (who later became my best friend and buddy) > skipped the technical details and said, "The primary design error for > MacOS and Windoze (sic) is that they placed a lower priority on security, > than on being able to

Re: TRS-80 Fireworks

2019-08-28 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 10:16, Marvin Johnston via cctalk wrote: > > I'm just curious how many people have powered up their TRS-80 computers, > and ended up with a bang and a room filled with smoke? "They all do that, sir." Computers older than 20y or so, that is. :-( -- Liam Proven -

Re: VCF Midwest 14 Talks and Talkers

2019-08-07 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 21:04, Jason T via cctalk wrote: > > I took a lot of, uh, "inspiration" from that page :) :-D -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn:

Re: VCF Midwest 14 Talks and Talkers

2019-08-06 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 19:28, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > > Especially the > > "Notice: Undefined index: currentpage in /var/www/vcfmw.org/footer.html on > line 34" > > at the bottom. I felt right at home ;) I liked that too! Reminded me of: http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM (c)

MULTIPROCESSING FOR THE IMPOVERISHED Part 1: a 6809 Uniprocessor

2019-08-02 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
1993 article on building a multiprocessor 6809 box. http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/6809cpu.htm -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44

Re: IBM 5160 with oddball MDA input/output card

2019-07-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 13:23, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > > Someone on one of the Facebook vintage groups Oh? Which one? -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven -

Re: keycaps / switches for Tek 4006

2019-07-26 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 02:40, Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: > > After disassembly, I can see the keyboard assembly are marked "Cherry" and > part number is B76-07AA. I'm not enough of a keyboard wonk to know if these > are still-mfg'd cherry key mechanisms? Cheery are still around. Ask

Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)

2019-07-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 14:41, Ethan O'Toole wrote: > > > This LGR guy took 15 min to get to the point. Any point. And his > > channel doesn't even explain what "LGR" stands for. > > LGR is short for Lazy Game Reviews. His channel used to be reviews of old > MS-DOS games or something. Random dude

Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)

2019-07-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 13:52, William Donzelli wrote: > > Cleanouts like this are a big part of my business. CR is by no means > small, but is also not that big. The last big place I was in - well, > the entire CR space would have been part of one of the floors of the > building. One of six

Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)

2019-07-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 15:00, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > > Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too > much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice > controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a > surprise if

Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)

2019-07-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 06:37, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > > At 10:14 PM 16/07/2019 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > >> Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! > > > >old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass > > > Ah yes, now I see there was exactly one previous mention a month

Re: visit to Bletchley Park / comp museum - Elliot 803

2019-07-15 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 at 14:04, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > > Bill, > Ask Peter about emulators. Pretty sure some one at the museum did an 803 > emulator, (not in SIMH) >From a casual Google there seem to be several... https://sourceforge.net/projects/elliott803/

Re: Lots of Apple 1 computers @ VCF West

2019-07-09 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 06:04, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Be careful about taunting a time traveller. > He might read what you write and it might give him ideas. Oh no! Roko's basilisk! You've wok+++ATH NO CARRIER

Re: Lots of Apple 1 computers @ VCF West

2019-07-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 17:02, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > Practically speaking, what's the difference between a close working > replica and the original? Are the bits somehow imbued with some > additional spiritual property? > > The replica may actually be more reliable. Spoken like a

Re: Wtd: advice upcoming visit to Bletchley Park / comp museum

2019-07-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 14:53, Dave Wade wrote: > > I wouldn't like to comment on relationships, but they appeal to very > different audiences. There is now some signage at the main gate but its > minimal... OK, noted. So apart from my comment that BP depended on the revenues and draw of TNMOC,

Re: Wtd: advice upcoming visit to Bletchley Park / comp museum

2019-07-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 at 11:40, Bill Degnan via cctech wrote: > > Refined question - When would I have to depart the museum in order to > travel by rental car (driving legal speeds) from Bletchley to Gatwick > Airport in time for a 4PM flight on 7/11 (A Thursday)? To echo what others have said: *

Re: Wtd: advice upcoming visit to Bletchley Park / comp museum

2019-07-06 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 at 00:23, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > > When I visited Bletchley park and TNMOC I went by train from London. Euston > I believe. From Gatwick there are trains to Victoria which are quite quick. Me too. But then, I lived in London. Still took nearly 2 hours. But I think

Re: Lots of Apple 1 computers @ VCF West

2019-07-06 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 09:12, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > > I just _love_ being reminded of the circumstances of my NOT buying an Apple > I, and what that mistake cost me. > > http://everist.org/NobLog/20181001_missing_wave.htm Sad reading... -- Liam Proven - Profile:

Re: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-07-01 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 17:46, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > I sold a $3500 car once for cash to a guy who sold his goods at a booth > at fairs and shows. He received lots and lots of $20 bills in payment, > so that is what he paid me with. I kept the cash instead of depositing > it in the bank

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