Re: What will you do with yours?

2006-11-17 Thread Marcel de Jong
Hi all, Gmail doesn't really work with mailinglists like this :) (clicking 'reply' will have you replying with the author instead of the list itself) The intended use of the Neo1973, for me, would be pure from the end-user side. I'm not really a developer, yes I do have a degree in informatics,

Re: wlan and voip

2006-11-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jellinghaus schreef: > maybe it could be even the first application where I > can enter a birthday for a contact without knowing > the birth year? (I don't remember any software that > can do this.) Apple's Addressbook.app allows just that :

Re: wlan and voip

2006-11-17 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
I'm very keen on getting an openmoko phone too! if there is anything I can help with, please let me know (I know smartcards well if that helps, and have some general clue about packaging and compiling software etc. - maybe either is of any help?) about the voip capabilities: can the mobile phone

Re: Adding an overview page to openmoko.{com,org}

2006-11-17 Thread Scott Oberg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > On 11/16/06 3:14 AM, "Kay Hannay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I would like to see more details about the SDK, environment, etc. But I >> fear that its too early. I really would like to get some simulator, some >> API

Re: List concerns...

2006-11-17 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 11:35, Richard Franks wrote: > On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 10:00 -0600, Dan Koester wrote: > > Consider the issue closed. > > What, that's it, no exciting Friday flame war? Intelligent people with > differing opinions respecting each other and reaching consensus?! Am I > on

Re: A nice idea for the gps

2006-11-17 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 12:49, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > The slides mentioned "apt-get install". > will that be the official install system? It will use ipkg, a smaller version which fits better for embedded systems. And of course there will be somekind of GUI to handle the installs with

Re: wlan and voip

2006-11-17 Thread Mikko Rauhala
What with all the wlan and voip interest, thought I'd drop a note reminding that you can have voip without wlan, though of course rather less flexibly location-wise; nearby a friendly workstation or, as the case may be, your laptop, you can have your phone connected to the internet via Bluetooth. T

What will you do with yours?

2006-11-17 Thread Richard Franks
In the sense of, which application area interests you the most - if you intend to develop some software for this thing, how would you categorise it? I'm split between syncronising data/content between the Neo1973 and all my other machines - so I have a single computer system constructed transparen

Re: A nice idea for the gps

2006-11-17 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/17/06 7:23 PM, "Stefan Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mickey told that there will be three different kinds of feeds for > software download: > > 1. The officially feed with the base system and the software developed > by the phone vendor / OpenMoko team. > > 2. The contributions fee

Re: List concerns...

2006-11-17 Thread Richard Franks
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 10:00 -0600, Dan Koester wrote: > Consider the issue closed. What, that's it, no exciting Friday flame war? Intelligent people with differing opinions respecting each other and reaching consensus?! Am I on the wrong Internet? Seriously though, I am glad to be on a mailing li

linux-vserver.org Re: Security implications of untrusted apps

2006-11-17 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Gabriel! Gabriel Ambuehl schrieb am Freitag, den 17. November 2006 um 15:25h: > On Friday 17 November 2006 09:35, Jan Niehusmann wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:59:36AM +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > > I think there needs to be a process by which software can get into the > > > rep

Re: List concerns...

2006-11-17 Thread Dan Koester
Not a problem. I will not think any differently of anyone. I just wanted to argue my point a little more. I suppose, like him, I'm not afraid to speak my mind. Consider the issue closed. Dan Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > On 11/17/06 1:49 PM, "Dan Koester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I didn'

Re: Security implications of untrusted apps

2006-11-17 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Friday 17 November 2006 09:35, Jan Niehusmann wrote: > On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:59:36AM +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > I think there needs to be a process by which software can get into the > > repository. There's certainly some security implications that need to be > > taken care of... > >

Re: A nice idea for the gps

2006-11-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paolo Cavallini schreef: > too bad! missing our nice apt-get... ln -sf /usr/bin/ipkg /usr/bin/apt-get I doubt 99% of the apt-get fanboys will notice the difference ;) regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8D

Re: A nice idea for the gps

2006-11-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jellinghaus schreef: > The slides mentioned "apt-get install". > will that be the official install system? No, and that has been answered before: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-November/76.html (the rest of that threa

Re: A nice idea for the gps

2006-11-17 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
The slides mentioned "apt-get install". will that be the official install system? It might be nice too to have some application to manage the mobile phone, maybe in a way the system is mirrored on a pc, which might be a nice thing for backups anyway. on the other hand that might be less comforta

Re: A nice idea for the gps

2006-11-17 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 08:59, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > On Thursday 16 November 2006 23:48, Richard Franks wrote: > > > Going a little off-topic - say Bob writes a GPS application which does > > something similar to that idea, where would it be downloaded from? His > > own server? OpenMoko.o

Re: wlan and voip

2006-11-17 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 17 listopada 2006 11:40, Mikolaj Habryn napisał: > Agreed! Nonetheless, I'll put in my 2c: it would be very nice indeed if > the wifi chipset's open driver supported master-mode, like hostap does > for various chipsets (Atheros, Prism, etc). HostAP support Prism only, Atheros chipse

Security implications of untrusted apps

2006-11-17 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:59:36AM +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > I think there needs to be a process by which software can get into the > repository. There's certainly some security implications that need to be > taken care of... At that point I wondered if the phone could support some kind of

Re: wlan and voip

2006-11-17 Thread Mikolaj Habryn
Richard Franks wrote: Eloquently put, wifi does open up many more exciting possibilities but honestly, I want the first-gen model in my pocket.. wifi or no wifi. Agreed! Nonetheless, I'll put in my 2c: it would be very nice indeed if the wifi chipset's open driver supported master-mode, like

Re: List concerns...

2006-11-17 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/17/06 1:49 PM, "Dan Koester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I didn't realize there were such strong feelings towards these ideas... > I do see the reasons for the reply-to address... but the subject line > doesn't make sense to me at all. I feel it's a huge advantage to add a > prefix that i

Re: Adding an overview page to openmoko.{com,org}

2006-11-17 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/16/06 3:14 AM, "Kay Hannay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From my point of view it would be interesting to know which kind of > software will be shipped with the phone. For example: > - calendar > - addressbook > - dialing > - ... (snip) > I would like to see more details about the SDK, env

Re: List concerns...

2006-11-17 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 23:49, Dan Koester wrote: > I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I've been on mailing lists for years > and they all have followed these 2 things and I suppose I'm used to > them. Why not read one of the kernel devel lists? > When I click on reply I expected it to automa

Re: List concerns...

2006-11-17 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Friday 17 November 2006 06:49, Dan Koester wrote: > I didn't realize there were such strong feelings towards these ideas... > I do see the reasons for the reply-to address... but the subject line > doesn't make sense to me at all. I feel it's a huge advantage to add a > prefix that is well know

Re: A nice idea for the gps

2006-11-17 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Thursday 16 November 2006 23:48, Richard Franks wrote: > But for me Security is not about Secrecy, it's about Control. If I can > easily and reliably opt-in or out of a system like this, then why not? I say it should somehow integrate with XMPP (Jabber). Anything that pushes adoption of Jabber