Re: SD on Sharp Zaurus 5500 (was: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones)

2006-12-09 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 22:06 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > > This is just plain wrong. It is extremely hard to come up with an SD > driver for the Sharp Zaurus 5500, because there is 0 documentation > about the Locomo custom ASIC used in this particular model. > Sorry for the offtopic, bu

SD on Sharp Zaurus 5500 (was: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones)

2006-12-09 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
This is way off topic, but I can't stand it uncorrected. Oleg Gusev wrote: > Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 17:59 schrieb Richard Franks: >> >> You might have to perform some really ugly hacks to ensure this >> backwards compatibility, and it may even affect overall system >> performance - but it's

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Jeff Andros
On 12/9/06, Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With ROM you refer to chips that can be written only once? I doubt that many of such chips are still alive. PROM's are used typically where you are producing an end product where you don't need to update. They're MUCH cheaper than an EPRO

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 11:45, Dave Crossland wrote: > > My question is if the separate system-on-a-chip is ROM, or if it can > be upgraded? With ROM you refer to chips that can be written only once? I doubt that many of such chips are still alive. Keep in mind that I'm not speaking for th

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Saturday 09 December 2006 19:46, Stefan Schmidt wrote: > On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 14:00, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > Personally I say add the hardware, even if it needs a binary driver (or > > even just firmware). The religious group is then free to remove the > > driver and not use WiFi ;) > > Thi

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 13:24, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > On Saturday 09 December 2006 13:00, Oleg Gusev wrote: > > The TI acx100 driver used by many PDAs and phones > > is released under GPL and loads the binary firmware > > into baseband and radio amplifier. > > Supposedly even that is too p

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 13:00, Oleg Gusev wrote: > Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 12:34 schrieb Stefan Schmidt: > > > > Keep in mind that the FIC team have no wifi on > > the phone because no vendor allowed them to put the wlan driver under > > GPL. So they make the dicision to lack wifi instea

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 14:00, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > Personally I say add the hardware, even if it needs a binary driver (or even > just firmware). The religious group is then free to remove the driver and not > use WiFi ;) This "religious group" contains the coreteam of OpenMoko. :)

RE: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread David Schlesinger
>> It was not done to protest against the decision made by Sharp to >> include a binary driver. >> Was it really a pragmatic choice ? > >This is a rhetorical question? :-) I find this all kind of fascinating. I doubt this "protest" particularly impacts Sharp: after all, they've already gotten you

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Richard Franks
On 12/9/06, Oleg Gusev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have an original Zaurus 5500, and it still does not support SD/SDIO in the 2.6 kernel. An experienced kernel hacker can easily write a driver, because the card is on a simple SPI port. It was not done to protest against the decision made by Sha

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 17:59 schrieb Richard Franks: > > You might have to perform some really ugly hacks to ensure this > backwards compatibility, and it may even affect overall system > performance - but it's still a pragmatic choice - the Zaurus was stuck > on principle, the unwillingness

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Richard Franks
Hi Dave, On 12/9/06, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thought this blogpost from the FSFE might be of interest to the list and also relates to the question I asked earlier about how the openmoko relates to the FSF philosophy: OpenMoko = Open Mobile Communications Platform Neo1973 =

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Richard Franks
On 12/9/06, Paul Bohme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would like to avoid similar again, if at all possible. Loading firmware into a device is no big deal - it doesn't link into any other code so might as well be any random opaque blob of data. Having to deal with the contortions involved when one

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Paul Bohme
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: Personally I could care less if there was a binary only module there. I'm pragmatic, not religious. Saying we don't add that for such a reason doesn't help freedom of choice either. Personally I say add the hardware, even if it needs a binary driver (or even just firmwa

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Saturday 09 December 2006 13:42, Oleg Gusev wrote: > Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 13:24 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: > > Supposedly even that is too proprietary (I think we were over this at > > some point)... > > I guess you are booting your computer from linuxbios ? :) Personally I could care les

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 13:24 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: > > Supposedly even that is too proprietary (I think we were over this at some > point)... I guess you are booting your computer from linuxbios ? :) > But then a closed GPS daemon is ok just because it doesnt live in > kernel. Closed

Re: idea: security badge consolidation?

2006-12-09 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On 12/1/06, justin hugh daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i work with multiple clients and vendors, and have amassed a good number of security badges. i was curious about the feasibility of being able to program the transmitter to send out the appropriate badge id based on location? well. that

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Saturday 09 December 2006 13:00, Oleg Gusev wrote: > The TI acx100 driver used by many PDAs and phones > is released under GPL and loads the binary firmware > into baseband and radio amplifier. Supposedly even that is too proprietary (I think we were over this at some point)... But then a clos

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 12:34 schrieb Stefan Schmidt: > > Keep in mind that the FIC team have no wifi on > the phone because no vendor allowed them to put the wlan driver under > GPL. So they make the dicision to lack wifi instead of using unethical > binary-only kernel modules. > The TI acx10

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Dave Crossland
On 09/12/06, Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keep in mind that the FIC team have no wifi on the phone because no vendor allowed them to put the wlan driver under GPL. So they make the dicision to lack wifi instead of using unethical binary-only kernel modules. I did not know that. I

Re: GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 10:52, Dave Crossland wrote: > > I thought this blogpost from the FSFE might be of interest to the list > and also relates to the question I asked earlier about how the > openmoko relates to the FSF philosophy: Of course you already know that Harald Welte, one of the

GPLv3 and Mobile Phones

2006-12-09 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, I thought this blogpost from the FSFE might be of interest to the list and also relates to the question I asked earlier about how the openmoko relates to the FSF philosophy: http://fsfe.org/en/fellows/greve/freedom_bits/back_from_gplv3_conference_in_tokyo_japan -- 8< -- I think the issue of