Re: Usability team?

On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 23:31 -0700, Justin Wong wrote: > Hello! I've been really interested in interface usability and design > since I've been taking this HCI course at my university. > > I've been interested in and following OpenMoko development a little. > I'd love to know if and how I can get

Usability team?

Hello! I've been really interested in interface usability and design since I've been taking this HCI course at my university. I've been interested in and following OpenMoko development a little. I'd love to know if and how I can get involved with the OpenMoko project with respect to interface usab

Re: 3G status within the US?

Yes, that's the same layout I have on my new SIM card (brand new from Sunday) -id Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Interesting -- the numbers on my SIM are in a very different format (four rows of 4 decimal digits each, followed by one row of three decimal digits); what I take to be a version number (37.0

Re: 3G status within the US?

Brad Midgley wrote: > Steve >> I wonder why this update can't be done in the field. The only cellular >> phones I can think of that had radio code which wasn't field updatable >> were AMPS phones with the firmware in (OT/E)PROMs. Surely the radio >> firmware in the Neo 1973 is stored in some sort

Re: 3G status within the US?

Steve > I wonder why this update can't be done in the field. The only cellular > phones I can think of that had radio code which wasn't field updatable > were AMPS phones with the firmware in (OT/E)PROMs. Surely the radio > firmware in the Neo 1973 is stored in some sort of reprogrammable > non-

Re: 3G status within the US?

Brad Midgley wrote: > We've heard bits and pieces on this. I believe where it stands is > people are investigating and the GSM module likely needs a firmware > update to handle a SIM like yours. Back when it was clear the P0 > needed a GSM firmware update, it was made more or less clear that this >

Re: 3G status within the US?

The numbering SIM cards is based on ISO/IEC 7812. The maximum length of the visible card number is 19 or 20 characters: Issuer Identification number (max. 7 digits) Major Industry Identifier (MII), 2 digits, 89 for telecommunication purposes. Country code, 1-3 digits, as defined by ITU-T recommend

Re: 3G status within the US?

Interesting -- the numbers on my SIM are in a very different format (four rows of 4 decimal digits each, followed by one row of three decimal digits); what I take to be a version number (37.05A) is at a 90 degree angle to the others. Jeff Andros writes: >the numbers I see are: >71234 O > 4022 >

Re: 3G status within the US?

> > sorry, I'm not sending my IMEI down a public channel d'oh... the ICCID -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: 3G status within the US?

the numbers I see are: 71234 O 4022 sorry, I'm not sending my IMEI down a public channel On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Though Ian's problem is with a SIM that's newer than mine... as > another data point, what's the version number on yours? > -- Jeff O|||O __

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

I may not have a chance to convert my slides to vi for this talk, although I'll bet a program exists to convert pdf to ascii art. Jeff Andros wrote: someone get video? I'd love to see the vi slides ;-) On 10/8/07, *Michael Shiloh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Hi

Re: 3G status within the US?

With AT&T, formerly Cingular when 3D SIMS were introduced, initially there was different SIMS for 3G (UTMS) and non-3G (GSM) devices, but my understanding is that all new SIMS are labeled as 3G, and they work on both types of devices, at least with AT&T they do. I would suggest try a new SIM. Do

Re: 3G status within the US?

Though Ian's problem is with a SIM that's newer than mine... as another data point, what's the version number on yours? Jeff Andros writes: >you might try swapping your sim card for one of the newer ones (somehow make >it not work, I think it's like $5 to replace it and update your sim number) >t

OpenMoko talk at Ontario Linux Fest, October 13, Toronto, Canada

A busy week for OM talks in North America! This has been on the "current events" page for a while, but just to reiterate: I'll be giving a presentation about OpenMoko at the Ontario Linux Fest in Toronto on Saturday, Oct 13th. The attendees are mostly Linux fans but I'm guessing most of them w

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

someone get video? I'd love to see the vi slides ;-) On 10/8/07, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'll be giving a talk about OpenMoko at the SDForum's meeting this > Wednesday, October 10, in Palo Alto, California Michael -- Jeff O|||O ___

Re: 3G status within the US?

you might try swapping your sim card for one of the newer ones (somehow make it not work, I think it's like $5 to replace it and update your sim number) the one I got middle of last month works... even with the 3G fireball on it On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ian douglas w

Re: 3G status within the US?

ian douglas writes: >The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My >AT&T SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that >will not work. The version number on my (working) T-Mobile SIM is 37.05A. Just another data point... __

OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

Hi, I'll be giving a talk about OpenMoko at the SDForum's meeting this Wednesday, October 10, in Palo Alto, California: http://www.sdforum.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Calendar.eventDetail&eventID=12934 The Software Developer Forum (SDForum) sponsors regular talks an various areas of technology.

Re: NYTimes article regarding GPhone being an "open-source" alternative to Windows Mobile.

> 1) http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18720/Trolltech-Ports-Qt-to-Windows-CE I know, hence the reference to S60 not Windows Mobile. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.o

Re: 3G status within the US?

August (got it when my Neo arrived). Tim Shannon writes: >How new is your account? > >On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Tim Shannon writes: >> >So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an >> get >> >a new account with AT&T or T-Mobile? >> >> Mine

Re: 3G status within the US?

ma, 2007-10-08 kello 13:51 -0700, ian douglas kirjoitti: > I'm disappointed that this isn't something that's field-programmable. Well, as it is the GSM chip we're talking about, you might primarily take it up with the local authorities; FCC, I believe. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 3G status within the US?

On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 13:51 -0700, ian douglas wrote: > The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My > AT&T SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that > will not work. > > I'm disappointed that this isn't something that's field-programmable. I > fe

Re: 3G status within the US?

The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My AT&T SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that will not work. I'm disappointed that this isn't something that's field-programmable. I feel like I wasted the money buying this phone since it's just a g

Re: 3G status within the US?

How new is your account? On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tim Shannon writes: > >So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an > get > >a new account with AT&T or T-Mobile? > > Mine works with a T-Mobile SIM (non 3G). > > ___

Re: 3G status within the US?

Tim Shannon writes: >So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an get >a new account with AT&T or T-Mobile? Mine works with a T-Mobile SIM (non 3G). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists

Re: 3G status within the US?

Tim It seems like I've heard of people with tmobile using neo without too much trouble, but I'm not sure if that was with a current SIM you would get on a new account. I haven't seen a place for success reports in the wiki, so people will have to speak up if they have it working. This whole probl

Re: 3G status within the US?

So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an get a new account with AT&T or T-Mobile? On 10/8/07, Brad Midgley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ian > > We've heard bits and pieces on this. I believe where it stands is > people are investigating and the GSM module likely ne

Re: 3G status within the US?

Ian We've heard bits and pieces on this. I believe where it stands is people are investigating and the GSM module likely needs a firmware update to handle a SIM like yours. Back when it was clear the P0 needed a GSM firmware update, it was made more or less clear that this isn't an update that can

Re: 3G status within the US?

Mikko Rauhala wrote: To be clear, the 3G status of the Neo is a resounding "does not, will not". The Neo is a 2G GSM phone. Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. Ian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openm

Re: 3G status within the US?

ma, 2007-10-08 kello 11:50 -0700, ian douglas kirjoitti: > Does anyone currently have a Neo working in the USA? As I understand it, > AT&T and TMobile are the only compatible networks here for 3G, but I'm > curious what the status is on getting 3G working here in America. To be clear, the 3G sta

Re: No Camera???

This camera vs non camera debate has been hashed out several times. Many including myself support a camera option, but we have to make our peace with the fact that it won't be happening with this version. It is simply not possible without redesigning the case, which will only add months and more ex

3G status within the US?

Hey all, I've been playing with a Neo for a little while now, and unfortunately my current 3G SIM card from AT&T has a serial number that falls within the range of "doesn't work" on the wiki. Yesterday I bought a pre-paid TMobile 3G card to see if that would work, and it didn't work either.

Re: rootfs?

Hey... ... I think the best way to build OM for another device is to use the Mokomakefile (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile) and edit the /build/conf/local.conf to adjust the settings for your device. It takes some times to build but you have an up to date rootfs. Zefanja O

Re: No Camera???

Ajit Kallingal wrote: Oft used features don't target the whole market, but it being available will motivate younger generation to get the "cool" Neo phone, Making Neo/OpenMoko a commercial success will also help wider acceptance, Keeping it restricted to the "Nerd" market will not help future de

Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??

Le lundi 08 octobre 2007 à 09:18 -0500, Jonathon Suggs a écrit : > Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: > > Yes, that's pointless. Let's get back to more productive debates, like > > the respective merits of using emacs or vi for $your_favorite_task_here, > > or even maybe python or perl as a default scripting l

Re: Security in OpenMoko

Le samedi 06 octobre 2007 à 23:57 +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen a écrit : > Hello, > > > On 10/6/07, Cailan Halliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey everybody, I just found this device: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4756295876.html > > I don't know anything about it really, but it's securi

Re: NYTimes article regarding GPhone being an "open-source" alternative to Windows Mobile.

Hello, On 10/8/07, Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Suppose Google actually wrote a phone *environment* instead of a whole OS > (well, they may have a Linux stack for custom designs, still) aroud Qtopia > core, that would work? Especially if/as/when Trolltech ports Qtopia to S60... Tr

Re: No Camera???

Consumer demand is the reason Manufacturer's have been keeping the camera on the phone. And I have only seen them increasing the Pixel count with each new phone. There might not a be lot of consumers using the Contact as their only address book. But having it on the phone does help. Oft used fea

Re: rootfs?

thanks, but I forgot to write, that I need it for palmtx best regards, Zalunin Pavel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: NYTimes article regarding GPhone being an "open-source" alternative to Windows Mobile.

On Monday 08 October 2007 17:53:20 Peter Pearson wrote: > Does this make any sense? > > Surely they can't hope to support *every* hardware device supported by > Windows Mobile. > Suppose Google actually wrote a phone *environment* instead of a whole OS (well, they may have a Linux stack for custom

NYTimes article regarding GPhone being an "open-source" alternative to Windows Mobile.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/business/media/08googlephone.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Does this make any sense? Surely they can't hope to support *every* hardware device supported by Windows Mobile. Peter Pearson _

Re: rootfs?

A list of different places: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D has updates every few days and the images are a little customized. It's also got Qtopia images. http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/?C=M;O=D updates often, too, and it's g

rootfs?

where I can get rootfs for OpenMoko? I was tried to download it from rapidshare, but we have non-stable internet and this way isn't real for belarussian people:) best regards, Zalunin Pavel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: dfu-util only gives "Permission Denied"

On Sun, 2007-10-07 at 18:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > This is my first entry after receiving my OpenMoko kit this friday. This > is also my first time using a Linux Computer to do anything real, so > please forgive me if my questions are naive and simple =) > > So I have my new Ub

Re: No Camera???

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A survey on The Register (UK site) had camera at the lowest required feature with about 25% of people saying they need one and 25% saying the couldn't care less. Do you have a link? I can't seem to find it. Also, The Register's readers are hardly representative of

Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??

Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: Yes, that's pointless. Let's get back to more productive debates, like the respective merits of using emacs or vi for $your_favorite_task_here, or even maybe python or perl as a default scripting language for the Neo. Ok. Only real programmers use vi. Only real program

Re: qtopia media player

Put .wav files in the sd card, (/media/card), and select the file in the "documents" application (the bottom right icon in the main menu). It doesn't play mp3/ogg files. emre On 10/8/07, KiM Jahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I want to know how I can play a file with the media player i

qtopia media player

Hello, I want to know how I can play a file with the media player in qtopia? I found nothing in the media player where I can choose a directory or a file and dont found anything of a "special directory" where I must copy my files. Can someone help me? Greetings KiM

Call for Papers: Java Mobile & Embedded Developer Days Conference

We just announced the Java Mobile & Embedded Developer Days Conference for January of 2008. OpenMoko fits very well into the focus of this conference so I'm posting the announcement here assuming the OpenMoko community is interested in promoting this and participating. The Call for Papers has jus