re : Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-02-18 Thread matthieu castet
Hi, > the S3C2410 SD card controller is theoretically capable of SDIO. Now > that the simplified specs are available, and the Atheros/Mvista SDIO > stack has been published under GPL, somebody _could_ add SDIO support > for the S2C2410 to the kernel. It's not an easy task, but also no > rocket s

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-17 Thread Harald Welte
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:36:48AM +0100, Imre Kaloz wrote: > could you tell us if the microsd slot is SDIO capable? I'm pretty sure > some vendors could do a microsd-wifi based on the new Atheros 6000 series > - and those have fully open drivers as well ;) the S3C2410 SD card controller is

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-15 Thread Jonas Meyer
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: With 64M flash and 1G card? Bigger flash capacity cards will come. And your Neo can keep getting bigger and bigger cards, while that iPhone is going to be stuck with 4 or 8. Besides, there are only 3 capacities of portable music pl

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 1:14 AM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data >> and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something >> people would pay for? > > Yes, I would be interested in paying for car nav

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-15 Thread Marc Verwerft
>> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data >> and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something >> people would pay for? > > Yes, I would be interested in paying for car navigation software to run on > the OpenMoko. > For reference, To

Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-15 Thread xnike
Is there a way to write software which computes current coordinates (position) on phone without any remote service in reality (any layout between hardware and software that shows my position at map)? I know it'll be too expensive for work time at battery. _

Power of Linux-vserver.org Re: Proprietary software in OpenMoko (was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-12 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Attila, *! On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Attila Csipa wrote: > On Friday 12 January 2007 14:37, Sven Neuhaus wrote: > > I think the users should have the freedom of choice, including the freedom > > to install commercial software, if desired. I'm not asking for this to be > > preinstalled on the Ope

Proprietary software in OpenMoko (was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-12 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 14:37, Sven Neuhaus wrote: > I think the users should have the freedom of choice, including the freedom > to install commercial software, if desired. I'm not asking for this to be > preinstalled on the OpenMoko! Yes, that's what I'm talking about - you absolutely can and

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-12 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Attila Csipa wrote: > On Friday 12 January 2007 10:14, Sven Neuhaus wrote: >> TomTom Go is Linux based, perhaps you can get them to offer their product >> for the OpenMoko? >> I would be very interested in a solution for the OpenMoko at that price >> range. [...] > So sure, we could > have TomTom,

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-12 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 11:58, Atlasz wrote: > Central Europe. A lot or little countries and you need to buy the > service in every one again or pay high price for data roaming. That > wouldn't be usable for downloading rendered map pictures from > internet:-( In the moment you leave you home cit

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-12 Thread Atlasz
Attila Csipa wrote: > On Friday 12 January 2007 00:15, Paul Bohme wrote: > >>> Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) >>> >> We were chewing this one over at work the other day. If you could pull >> a list of waypoints from (say) Google's mapping API, and loca

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-12 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 03:12, you wrote: > > installed or otherwise connected to or in communication with vehicles, > > capable of vehicle navigation, positioning, dispatch, real time route > > guidance, fleet management or similar applications. > > ... > > So whatever you do, do *not* attach yo

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-12 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Freitag, 12. Januar 2007 10:14 schrieb Sven Neuhaus: > > For reference, TomTom Navigator 6 for PDAs with maps for western europe on > DVD is around EUR 110 (US $150) > Navit is not suitable for a PDA, but you may find it interesting too. http://navit.sourceforge.net/?page=readme > > TomTom Go i

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-12 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 10:14, Sven Neuhaus wrote: > TomTom Go is Linux based, perhaps you can get them to offer their product > for the OpenMoko? > I would be very interested in a solution for the OpenMoko at that price > range. Some might find this too philosophical, but nonetheless, a rant. N

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-12 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Freitag, 12. Januar 2007 00:00 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: > > The rendering engine is totally closed source, expensive, and the > maps are even more expensive. > There is a gtk2 fork of roadmap [1], that supports route planning, oneway streets and turn restrictions. The program has wince and win

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-12 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > On 1/11/07 1:06 PM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard >>> kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." >> Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) >> This screen (

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-11 Thread David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 02:50 +0100, Attila Csipa wrote: > The one little problem with that: I was gonna say... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-11 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 00:15, Paul Bohme wrote: > > Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) > > We were chewing this one over at work the other day. If you could pull > a list of waypoints from (say) Google's mapping API, and location data > from the GPS it might be p

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Bauer schreef: > On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 15:48 -0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: >> On 1/11/07 3:38 PM, "Koen Kooi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data >>> Raster or vector, and

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 15:48 -0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > On 1/11/07 3:38 PM, "Koen Kooi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data > > > > Raster or vector, and with or without address data? > > This would be the raw stuff tha

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 12 January 2007 00:00, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > We have this stuff, but I didn't think to use it for the first release of > OpenMoko. The rendering engine is totally closed source, expensive, and the > maps are even more expensive. > If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just se

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
At Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:16:48 +0100, Fabian Off wrote: > > Am Freitag, 12. Januar 2007 00:01 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: > > If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data > > and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something > > people would pay

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/11/07 3:38 PM, "Koen Kooi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data > > Raster or vector, and with or without address data? This would be the raw stuff that companies like TomTom, Navigon, and Destinator, parse. I don't even kn

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Moss-Pultz schreef: > On 1/11/07 1:06 PM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard >>> kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." >> Car kit? Please tell me it inc

Re: Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-11 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Bohme schreef: > Sven Neuhaus wrote: >> Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: >>> We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the >>> standard >>> kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." >> >> Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigat

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Fabian Off
Am Freitag, 12. Januar 2007 00:01 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: > If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data > and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something > people would pay for? > > -Sean Of course they would do so. Everybody who's payi

Lightweight 'navigational' app? (Was Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?)

2007-01-11 Thread Paul Bohme
Sven Neuhaus wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) This screen (not to mention the GPS) is just screaming for maps t

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/11/07 1:06 PM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard >> kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." > > Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) > This screen (not to mention the GPS) i

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-11 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) This screen (not to mention the GPS) is just screaming for maps to display. The latte

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 10 stycznia 2007 21:00, Jonas Meyer napisał: > Besides, there are only 3 capacities of portable music player: > > 1) Small enough such that you have to change it around constantly > 2) Large enough such that you can store all the music you regularly > listen to. > 3) Large enough to st

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 10 stycznia 2007 16:24, Jonas Meyer napisał: > Is the Bluetooth A2DP? IE, can we use stereo headsets and will it > therefore make a better iPod than the iPhone? ;) With 64M flash and 1G card? -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant That must be wonderfu

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Jonas Meyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is the Bluetooth A2DP? IE, can we use stereo headsets and will it therefore make a better iPod than the iPhone? ;) Jonas - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFpQU7

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread michael
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Paul Bohme wrote: The punch line? One of the guys at work joked about starting a pool to bet on how soon someone will have a Linux kernel booting the iPhone.. ;-) Quick! Grab the domain www.linuxoniphone.org or whatever! Sure to happen. I'll bet someone demo's it

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Sean Moss-Pultz writes: > >We had some problems with the hardware in a revision I had hoped would be >final. This set us back about month. So we're looking at moving the first >phones out in February now. I can promise you there is nothing "seriously >wrong." Thanks for the information. >* Blueto

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Moss-Pultz schreef: > We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard > kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." > > The latter is quite cool. I'll tell you more about it soon. I hope it's like this: http://www.l

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 10:06, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard > kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." > > The latter is quite cool. I'll tell you more about it soon. > Plase let it contain a battery powered mini US

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 10:20, Howard Lowndes wrote: > I'll happily admit to being totally ignorant about any "matters phone" > to paraphrase Gilbert and Sullivan, but I am interested in this project. > I assume it is being designed for the US market, but what other > markets will it suit?

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Ben
On 1/10/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So we're looking at moving the first phones out in February now. When you say first phones, do you mean the developer edition? If so, when will the mortals be able to have them shipped? * 2 additional buttons these are definitely just

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 01:06, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > * Bluetooth (yes bluetooth!) Well done. > We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard > kit): A "Car Kit" and a "Hacker's Lunchbox." Great. :) regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Rowland Cheshire
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 19:15, Paul Bohme wrote: One would expect some teething troubles. Fortunately they are not being handed to us with the first release. The original specs did not include bluetooth - great stuff and worth waiting for. > Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > On 1/10/07 12:47 AM,

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 10 stycznia 2007 10:06, Sean Moss-Pultz napisał: > Standard Kit: > * 120.7 x 62 x 18.5 (mm) A bit bigger then my current SE k750i (100 x 46 x 20,5) but thinner. > * 1200 mAh battery (charged over USB) > * 128 MB SDRAM nice two > * 64 MB NAND Flash :( too bad there is no space left

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Bohme
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/10/07 12:47 AM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Something is seriously wrong if they can't present a working unit the same month they were originally going to ship them. Didn't they talk about shipping units to a few devs in December? I wanted to

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Imre Kaloz
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:06:40 +0100, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/10/07 12:47 AM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Bluetooth (yes bluetooth!) YAY :) could you tell us if the microsd slot is SDIO capable? I'm pretty sure some vendors could do a microsd-wif

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/10/07 12:47 AM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Something is seriously wrong if they can't present a working unit the same > month they were originally going to ship them. Didn't they talk about > shipping units to a few devs in December? I wanted to make something more formal fi

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-10 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Tomasz Zielinski wrote: > Looks like a Neo1973 real photo (device is a bit dust covered ;-) > http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2007Jan/ces20070109001296.htm Something is seriously wrong if they can't present a working unit the same month they were originally going to ship them. Didn't they talk a