dh_make issue/suggestion

2003-06-03 Thread Jason Pepas
Hello, I have recently started learning how to create debian packages. I have some thoughts on what I see as an issue, and some thoughts on resolving it. Keep in mind I have only been at this for a couple of days, so take this with a grain of salt. dh_make does a good job of providing reasonabl

Re: Packages file under version control

2003-06-03 Thread Brian May
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:11:23PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > Anything to back this up? I just did and apt-get update/dist-upgrade > and it wants to download 86MB of stuff. Considering that I last > dist-upgraded my (sid) machine just a few days ago, I suspect that > for anyone running unsta

Re: new bug tags

2003-06-03 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 03:33:29PM +0100, James Troup wrote: > I don't; it's silly. At best you'll get an architecture tag for the > arch that the buildd maintainer reported the bug on, but that's it. > An inaccurate architecture tag is worse than useless, it's misleading. > Just parse wanna-build

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-06-03 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:08:52AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But this second configuration requires the network and will fail in > > the case that you have taken it offline. On laptops that is not a > > desireable situation. Even in the desktop environme

Re: Proposal: a generic dpkg event hook broker

2003-06-03 Thread Brian May
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 05:23:03PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > Already being planned for dpkg 2.0. Note, this has to be tied in with the > status of the package being hooked, as the status changes state, so it really > needs to be done in dpkg. Great! There is also the SE-Linux version of dpkg wh

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-03 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 06:17:57PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > yes. And what is when someone is offline and wants to see what > that bug was about? It also helps if the maintainer accidently closes the wrong bug in the Changelog. * New upstream version (closes: #). means nothing if say b

Re: Packages file under version control

2003-06-03 Thread Nicolas Kratz
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:04:16AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: > No. Fetching Packages.gz over modem is a pain in the arse. Having it > only rsync the changes would be so nice. Try apt-rsync. http://home.worldonline.cz/~cz210552/ HTH, Nick -- x--

Re: Packages file under version control

2003-06-03 Thread aradorlinux
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:04:16 +0200 David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No. Fetching Packages.gz over modem is a pain in the arse. Having it > only rsync the changes would be so nice. I must say that apt-get update using sid is a hell with my 56 k ;( Most of the Packages file doesn't ch

Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-06-03 Thread Carey Evans
Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:47:28AM +1200, Carey Evans wrote: [...] > % svn ls file:///home/repos/debian/tn5250/vendor > 0.16.5/ > current/ what's current? (in the context of svn, it's obvious that current is the current upstream version) I've set this up as a vendor

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-03 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 09:13:09PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 02:08:38PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 08:39:02PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > How do you expect menu to generate menus without an /etc/menu-method/ > > > directory ? Also au

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-03 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 02:08:38PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 08:39:02PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > How do you expect menu to generate menus without an /etc/menu-method/ > > directory ? Also autogenerated menus should go in /var. > > Oops you are correct, for wind

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-03 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 08:39:02PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > How do you expect menu to generate menus without an /etc/menu-method/ > directory ? Also autogenerated menus should go in /var. Oops you are correct, for window managers that don't support the spec natively we still need that dire

Re: ATI Linux Driver Packages

2003-06-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 05:34:57PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:16:12 -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 09:42:10PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > > > Are these drivers much better then than XFree ones or is there a reason > > > to be promoting nonfree drivers?

Re: ATI Linux Driver Packages

2003-06-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:16:12PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 09:42:10PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > > Are these drivers much better then than XFree ones or is there a reason > > to be promoting nonfree drivers? I orginally packaged up the nvidia ones > > in the way they ar

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 04:13:29PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:04:15PM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > # out of date on hppa: libzorpll, libzorpll-dev (from 2.0.5.2-1) > > > > > > Go to buildd.debian.org, read the log an

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-03 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 06:24, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:08:00PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > I have read it, and I have still difficulty to understand its > > > full implication. > > > > The implication is basically that we use it as the format of our menu > > database

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:03:09PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:35:51AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 12:31:42PM +0200, Attila SZALAY wrote: > > > > > What can I do with this (from packages.qa.debian.org): > > > > > > # 42 days old

Re: package naming

2003-06-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 03:25:15PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote: > Sure, the epoch is of course necessary. What I am wondering about is how > katie will react if a source package is uploaded which produces a binary > package which is already produced by another source package. > > I.e., is there any t

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-03 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 01:24:01PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 12:24:34PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > How GNOME and KDE will honor menu configuration in /etc/menu, > > /etc/menu-method/menu.h, ~/.menu and ~/.menu-method/menu.h with your > > scheme ? > > As I understan

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-03 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 12:24:34PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:08:00PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > I have read it, and I have still difficulty to understand its > > > full implication. > > > > The implication is basically that we use it as the format of our menu

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Attila SZALAY
Hi All! On 2003 Jun 03, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > In any case, debian-devel in general is not likely to know, but the buildd > admin will. I only ask what can I do. - Send an email to hppa buildd maintainer - Send an email to debian-hppa mail list - Report a bug - Wait - Other. That's all.

Re: Contents files and removed packages

2003-06-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:32:47PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > kinkatta is not listed as being part of unstable, but kinkatta files are > part of unstable/Contents-i386.gz. Contents files are updated infrequently - once a week or so, I think. kinkatta was only removed on 28 May. -- Colin Wats

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:03:09PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:35:51AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 12:31:42PM +0200, Attila SZALAY wrote: > > > > > What can I do with this (from packages.qa.debian.org): > > > > > > # 42 days ol

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003, Colin Watson wrote: > >Attila, if I were you I'd just try to upload a new release. > > I wouldn't, that just means you get another 10-day delay before the > package gets into testing. Yup, but you missed the subliminal message in my "try lintian" hint :-) Regards, -

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Simon Huggins
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:43:25AM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: > Attila SZALAY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > # out of date on hppa: libzorpll, libzorpll-dev (from 2.0.5.2-1) > Hm, http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=libzorpll seems to > indicate that the hppa autobuilder never attempted

Contents files and removed packages

2003-06-03 Thread Bill Allombert
Hello Debian devel, kinkatta is not listed as being part of unstable, but kinkatta files are part of unstable/Contents-i386.gz. Comments ? Cheers, -- Bill. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Imagine a large red swirl here.

Re: Changelog issues with (among others) tkdiff 1:3.08-4

2003-06-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Herbert Xu wrote: > Seriously, please find something more productive to do than making > these never-ending complaints about changelog entries. IMHO if developers would write correct changelog entries, this discussion wouldn't be necessary in the first place. :-/ Seriously, please find som

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:04:15PM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > # out of date on hppa: libzorpll, libzorpll-dev (from 2.0.5.2-1) > > > > Go to buildd.debian.org, read the log and find out what happened. > >But the buildd didn't even try to buil

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:35:51AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 12:31:42PM +0200, Attila SZALAY wrote: > > > What can I do with this (from packages.qa.debian.org): > > > > # 42 days old (needed 10 days) > > # out of date on hppa: libzorpll, libzorpll-dev (from 2.0.

Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-06-03 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:47:28AM +1200, Carey Evans wrote: > % svn ls file:///home/repos/debian/tn5250 > branches/ > debian/ > tags/ > trunk/ > vendor/ > % svn ls file:///home/repos/debian/tn5250/debian > 0.16.5-1/ > 0.16.5-2/ > 0.16.5-3/ > 0.16.5-4/ > 0.16.5-5/ > % svn ls file:///h

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Attila SZALAY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > # out of date on hppa: libzorpll, libzorpll-dev (from 2.0.5.2-1) Hm, http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=libzorpll seems to indicate that the hppa autobuilder never attempted 2.0.26.4-1 for some reason. Try building it yourself in paer's sid c

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > # out of date on hppa: libzorpll, libzorpll-dev (from 2.0.5.2-1) > > Go to buildd.debian.org, read the log and find out what happened. But the buildd didn't even try to build 2.0.26.4-1. Attila, if I were you I'd just try to upload a new rele

Re: buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 12:31:42PM +0200, Attila SZALAY wrote: > What can I do with this (from packages.qa.debian.org): > > # 42 days old (needed 10 days) > # out of date on hppa: libzorpll, libzorpll-dev (from 2.0.5.2-1) > > This is with package libzorpll. Go to buildd.debian.org, read the log

Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-06-03 Thread Carey Evans
Joey Hess wrote: - cvs2svn works ok, but can be _very_ slow. Be prepared for significant archive bloat too. I also had to run it three times due to some subversion bug that I have supressed memory of. I didn't bother importing all the history of tn5250 from CVS into Subversion. The old change

Re: package naming

2003-06-03 Thread Mario Lang
"Marcelo E. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 03:15:19PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > I've been working on the package "kernel-patch-speakup" which has a > > source package called speakup-cvs and produces the binary called > > kernel-patch-speakup_2002

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-03 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:08:00PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > I have read it, and I have still difficulty to understand its > > full implication. > > The implication is basically that we use it as the format of our menu > database (instead of /usr/lib/menu), and convert the menu-methods to >

buildd failure

2003-06-03 Thread Attila SZALAY
Hi All! What can I do with this (from packages.qa.debian.org): # 42 days old (needed 10 days) # out of date on hppa: libzorpll, libzorpll-dev (from 2.0.5.2-1) This is with package libzorpll. -- PGP ID 0x8D143771, /C5 95 43 F8 6F 19 E8 29 53 5E 96 61 05 63 42 D0 GPG ID ABA0E8B2, 45CF B559 82

Re: Packages file under version control

2003-06-03 Thread Miles Bader
Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I suspect that for anyone running unstable the Packages.gz and > Sources.gz files will be the tip of the iceberg. > > For anyone running stable, the Packages.gz files rarely change and so > apt-get update will not normally bother to download them again

Re: Packages file under version control

2003-06-03 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:04:16AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: | > However, given the packages.gz file is much smaller than the total | > files being downloaded, is it really worth it? | | When the mirrors sync, yes, when the average user runs | | # apt-get update | # apt-get -u upgrade | | N

Re: package naming

2003-06-03 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Hi, On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 03:15:19PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote: > I've been working on the package "kernel-patch-speakup" which has a > source package called speakup-cvs and produces the binary called > kernel-patch-speakup_20021221-1_all.deb, well, there is a stable > version of speakup t

Re: Packages file under version control

2003-06-03 Thread Miles Bader
David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Fetching Packages.gz over modem is a pain in the arse. Having it > only rsync the changes would be so nice. Exactly. I use `testing' via a slow modem link, and I'd like to update frequently, to keep individual updates as small as possible (testing do

Re: [Gaim-devel] Re: Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license#

2003-06-03 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
On Monday 02 June 2003 23:31, Sean Egan wrote: > "If the program dynamically links plug-ins, and they make function calls > to each other and share data structures, we believe they form a single > program, so plug-ins must be treated as extensions to the main program. > This means they must be rele

Re: Packages file under version control

2003-06-03 Thread David Weinehall
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:10:24PM +1200, Corrin Lakeland wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 13:59, Glenn McGrath wrote: > > If we put the Packages file under some sort of version control (e.g. > > cvs), bandwidth requirments would be minimised as cvs

Re: console mode(probally off)

2003-06-03 Thread Roberto Suarez Soto
On Jun/03, Adam Borowski wrote: > It might be just me, but my eyes hurt more after a few hours of doing > things in graphics mode than after a 48h straight programming run on a > text console. It might be just you :-) I think that depends very much on the quality of your monitor (both "

Re: Celebrating Debian's 10th birthday?

2003-06-03 Thread Ben Lau
Ben Burton wrote: >>Are there any parties planned already? ;) > > > Well, it coincides with the first day of the international olympiad in > informatics, so with all the computer geeks around I'm hoping there will > be someone else there to celebrate with. :) > > Ben. > > Hey, Do you want

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-06-03 Thread Miles Bader
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (Not saying you're a nationalist, Manoj.) Even worse, you're comparing him to Ayn Rand! -Miles -- "I distrust a research person who is always obviously busy on a task." --Robert Frosch, VP, GM Research

Re: console mode(probally off)

2003-06-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 02:47:09AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > As a completely unrelated note, I wonder what is the reason to use fbdev > instead of real text console/svgatextmode in the default kernel. i18n. A 'normal' text mode doesn't allow for CJK charachters to be displayed. [...] > What

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-06-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 07:39:07PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Notice that the US governement never said that was their aim, they said > Iraq was dangerous because they have mass destruction weapons and > support terrorism, which has turned out to be blatant lie. The french > governement opposed th

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-06-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 11:59:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > and he will try to harm any other people is someone tell him that it > > helps USA. His approach is completely nationalistic. You cannot > > understand him and agree with him until he drops this attitude or > > until you adopt i

Re: Packages file under version control

2003-06-03 Thread Corrin Lakeland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 13:59, Glenn McGrath wrote: > If we put the Packages file under some sort of version control (e.g. > cvs), bandwidth requirments would be minimised as cvs automatically > takes care of diff's and patching, and i assume the CPU load