Re: Uncoordinated upload of the rustified librsvg

2018-11-05 Thread Josh Triplett
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > >> Why would I need to communicate that? > > Because coordination needs involvement from all > > If the maintainer of a package doesn't understand which reverse > dependencies his package has, he shouldn't be the maintainer of > his package. This is not a situ

Re: Uncoordinated upload of the rustified librsvg

2018-11-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
>> Why would I need to communicate that? > Because coordination needs involvement from all If the maintainer of a package doesn't understand which reverse dependencies his package has, he shouldn't be the maintainer of his package. I don't understand why you are defending his behavior. It's si

Re: Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 6:53 AM Adam Borowski wrote: > Another question: do we want it? It's beneficial only if you can not only > add your own keys but also _remove_ built-in ones, and typical "consumer" > machines don't allow that. AFAICT the Debian Secure Boot packages are not designed for the

Re: Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Yao Wei (魏銘廷)
Hi, As far as I remember there are some netbooks (from Lenovo) which cannot turn Secure Boot off even if it is x86 based. We can tell user to buy laptop with Coreboot + HEADS preinstalled, or laptops that can turn Secure Boot off, but what if they are installing their existing machine? (I hop

Re: Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi! Hideki Yamane wrote: > > I'm curious that what is the blocker for introducing secure boot feature > into Debian now? Already kernel, grub2 and shim are signed, then what should > we do to achieve it? We're just working out the last steps on the debian-efi list at the moment. -- Steve McInty

Re: Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Hideki Yamane
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:09:50 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: > But only the stock kernel, which turns it non-free software. Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying. > There's no benefits for us, too As I said, our users can install Debian easily. It's huge benefit. > -- a thief or attacker can bo

Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-05 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 at 13:32:40 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > When a package does not want, specifically, this sharing, the > dependency should be on >default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus This is right for packages that don't particularly care whether the session bus is per-uid or per-log

Re: Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 09:01:23AM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 23:52:35 +0100 > Adam Borowski wrote: > > Another question: do we want it? It's beneficial only if you can not only > > add your own keys but also _remove_ built-in ones, and typical "consumer" > > machines don't

Re: Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 11:52:35PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 04:15:31AM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm curious that what is the blocker for introducing secure boot feature > > into Debian now? Already kernel, grub2 and shim are signed, then what > > shou

Re: Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Hideki Yamane
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 23:52:35 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: > Another question: do we want it? It's beneficial only if you can not only > add your own keys but also _remove_ built-in ones, and typical "consumer" > machines don't allow that. I disagree it. With my understand, secure boot support in D

Re: Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 04:15:31AM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > Hi, > > I'm curious that what is the blocker for introducing secure boot feature > into Debian now? Already kernel, grub2 and shim are signed, then what should > we do to achieve it? Another question: do we want it? It's benefic

Q: secure boot

2018-11-05 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, I'm curious that what is the blocker for introducing secure boot feature into Debian now? Already kernel, grub2 and shim are signed, then what should we do to achieve it? -- Hideki Yamane

Re: Uncoordinated upload of

2018-11-05 Thread Geert Stappers
> > Instead of putting all the blame on > > Why would I need to communicate that? Because coordination needs involvement from all

Re: Uncoordinated upload of the rustified librsvg

2018-11-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> Instead of putting all the blame on the GNOME team, maybe you could > have expressed your concerns during the months that librsvg was still > in experimental? Or maybe you could have said "Rust is now available > on all release architectures, but please talk to us before uploading a > rustified l

Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-05 Thread Ian Jackson
So I promised that I would summarise. I found that trying to write a summary involved me doing a bit of research, and that not everyone in the thread seemed to agree about everything. To make a coherent picture I had to make some suppositions, which may well be wrong. So I'd appreciate a review

Bug#912983: ITP: haskell-mustache -- Haskell implementation of Mustache templates

2018-11-05 Thread Ilias Tsitsimpis
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ilias Tsitsimpis * Package name: haskell-mustache Version : 2.3.0 Upstream Author : Justus Adam * URL : https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mustache * License : BSD-3-clause Programming Lang: Haskell Description

Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-05 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 at 08:44:45 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: > Do you know if any idea was > already floated somewhere on how to make this work? I.e. have multiple > systemd user instances per user? This is specifically not supported. `systemd --user` always has the same semantics as the $XDG_RUNTIM

Followup on C++ standardisation meeting

2018-11-05 Thread Jussi Pakkanen
Hi all This email is a followup to this earlier issue: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/10/msg00044.html The TL/DR is that unfortunately I could not organize any sort of meeting of interested parties for th meeting (which is this week). Fortunately based on the discussion other people

Bug#912950: ITP: puppet-module-antonlindstrom-powerdns -- Puppet module for PowerDNS

2018-11-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: puppet-module-antonlindstrom-powerdns Version : 0.0.5 Upstream Author : Anton Lindström * URL : https://github.com/antonlindstrom/puppet-powerdns * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: Puppe

Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM Philipp Kern wrote: > I.e. have multiple systemd user instances per user? That sounds strange, something like systemd session instances and services seems more logical to me. systemd already has session scopes so it isn't too much of a stretch to add session instanc

Bug#912945: ITP: egl-wayland -- Wayland EGL External Platform library

2018-11-05 Thread Timo Aaltonen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Timo Aaltonen * Package name: egl-wayland Version : 1.1.0 Upstream Author : NVIDIA * URL : https://github.com/NVIDIA/egl-wayland * License : MIT Programming Lang: C Description : Wayland EGL External Platform libr

Re: Should libpam-elogind Provide libpam-systemd ?

2018-11-05 Thread Philipp Kern
Hi Simon, On 03.11.2018 12:11, Simon McVittie wrote: > However, note that if you want multiple parallel dbus-daemons per uid, > in particular one per X11 display, then dbus-user-session is not for you, > and you should continue to use dbus-x11 or some third party implementation > of the dbus-sessi